@agaleszczynski 11:03am Join us for today’s #geowebchat in 1 hour (12 pm PDT / 3pm EDT / 8pm BST). We’ll be discussing CyberGIS vs. VGI/geoweb research agendas

@joeeckert 11:51am Here, I’ll start #geowebchat -ting a little early. Nuance #1: someone in the world still uses the term “cyber”. o.O

@re_sieber 11:54am .@michael_d_gould, @swuiuc, @McGillCyberInf join us for today’s #geowebchat on #cyberGIS & VGI/geoweb. In 6 minutes. Just use #geowebchat

@floraandflying 11:56am excited to participate this week in #geowebchat, I’m up next time #nopressure

@JessiBreen 11:58am @joeeckert Other than the Feds. They still use it freely. #geowebchat Now with hashtag!

@re_sieber 12:00pm @JessiBreen @joeeckert Maybe #cyberGIS is Nick at Night for GIScientists #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:00pm follwoin #geowebchat from Schiphol airport hotel

@WxDan 12:01pm I mentally affiliate “cyber-” with military/intelligence contexts. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:01pm Hello everyone. #geowebchat is starting now! You can follow along with tools like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:02pm @re_sieber @JessiBreen What’s the intersection of “folks who got that joke about #cyber” and “old enough to know Nick at Nite?” #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:02pm @joeeckert cyber implies infrastructure, it is not an ad-hoc method of data gathering and data discovery, #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:02pm Today we’re going to be discussing overlaps and divergences between geoweb/VGI and CyberGIS research agendas. #geowebchat

@mhaklay 12:03pm @joeeckert also in ‘citizen cyberlab’ citizencyberlab.eu & Citizen Cyberscience Centre – maybe francophone? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:04pm #geowebchat so what is cybergis other than a gi approach to accessing “cyberinfrastructure” funding from NSF?

@JacqInTheBooks 12:04pm Hi everyone! Jacq from U of Calgary here! Participating in #geowebchat & collecting data for my PhD research – qub.me/uBLBYA

@JessiBreen 12:04pm @joeeckert @re_sieber Dunno, but the term “cyber” still makes me think of AOL chatrooms and my job at Digital City Boston in HS. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:04pm As background, @aag2013 had 20+ sessions on #cyberGIS. IIt was presented as GIScience 2.0 or GISAG (GIScience after Goodchild) #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:04pm @floraandflying [+] to folks seeking to wedge phenomena into an objectivist-science framework. Seems old-school. #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:04pm Looking forward to learning with all again today #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:05pm @floraandflying That assumes by negation that “ad-hoc” methods o gathering/discovery don’t have infrastructure? Serves as a flag #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:05pm how many #geocode track sessions did we have in comparison? RT @re_sieber @aag2013 had 20 sessions on #cyberGIS. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:05pm @joeeckert old school gets you funded, it takes a long time for funding streams to catch up with new concepts such as VGI… #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:06pm @joeeckert Agree that ad-hoc does, but how does it fit in with the SDI as it stands now? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:06pm @floraandflying Depends on your funding agency. RAPID/CREATIV/INSPIRE all very new-school NSF grants. Folks fund new-school too #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:07pm @floraandflying @joeeckert re: funding, #cyberGIS also successfully articulating itself wrt #bigdata research agenda
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@joeeckert 12:07pm @floraandflying perhaps a better question is, “why are the geography arms interested in funding old school?” maybe another time. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:07pm @agaleszczynski @aag2013 #geocode had 4-5 sessions @aag2013 compared to 20+ on #cyberGIS #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:07pm @JessiBreen @joeeckert @re_sieber I share similar hesitations around the use/nuances of the term ‘virtual’ #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:07pm @joeeckert and for these grants, I am grateful, things get done much faster! #geowebchat #gonsf

@terra_tenney 12:07pm doesn’t cyber have the connotation of being “separate” from a persons “real” world? Aren’t they quiet intertwined? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:08pm @joeeckert also great for rapid prototyping #inspire #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:09pm @floraandflying and magical for getting funding related to new-school phenomena w/o having to get the blessing of the old guard. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:09pm @agaleszczynski @aag2013 #cyberGIS successfully articulating itself w #bigdata & #cyberinfrastructure makes for perfect storm #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:09pm @terra_tenney You see folks in internet research more broadly calling us to do away with the physical/cyber dualism. #geowebchat #ir14

@agaleszczynski 12:09pm @terra_tenney yes. for problematization of ‘cyber’ see paper by @geoplace on Internet/Geography bit.ly/ScKs9l #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:11pm @re_sieber @agaleszczynski No reason geowebby people can’t align themselves with big data. Big really ain’t that big of a deal. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:11pm @re_sieber could you expand on the perfect storm of #bigdata and #cyberGIS? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:11pm @JacqInTheBooks @JessiBreen @re_sieber Likewise, same reason — the binary duality thing bugs the snot out of me. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:11pm Participation in #cyberGIS is engineering-focused, eg w business use cases. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:11pm #geowebchat in my view cyber is a placeholder for Big, Fast, and Scalable. otherwise objects of study are similar to before.

@joeeckert 12:12pm @floraandflying Is the SDI even relevant? With the OSMs, Stamens, & other F/OSS of the world pushing a “do what works” approach #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:12pm Agree! RT @terra_tenney: doesnt cyber have connotation of being “separate” from a persons “real” world? Arent they intertwined? #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:13pm how to successfully do that? RT @joeeckert No reason geowebby people can’t align themselves with big data. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:13pm @re_sieber let’s not confuse business use cases with having users with real requirements #geowebchat

@JConnelYoung 12:13pm What’s at stake in the distinction between cybergis/geoweb? It seems easy enough for researchers to move between the two, no? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:13pm @michael_d_gould And *everyone* is doing “big/fast/scalable” – even geowebby folk. Seems like attempts to claim territory. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:13pm @agaleszczynski Hard to justify #cyberinfrastructure in #cyberGIS vv HPC, distrib computing. #bigdata makes the case perfectly. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:15pm @agaleszczynski Highlight how we do work with “big data” — most of the @floating_sheep / @oiioxford / @MSFTResearch do. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:15pm @michael_d_gould To me, challenge is not VGI v #cyberGIS but why is geom, topo special in #cyberinfrastructure #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:15pm @agaleszczynski Likewise, press other forms of computational inquiry that aren’t (post-hoc) hypothesis testing. Inductive work. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:16pm @re_sieber do you think there’s a kind of double-capitalization going on w/ #cyberinfrastructure baking on #bigdata #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:16pm @agaleszczynski Hell, the digi-humanities do a better job of framing themselves as working with big data. Should get on that! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:17pm @michael_d_gould AGREED: let’s not confuse business use cases with having users with real requirements #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:18pm @michael_d_gould Pretty hard to do that these days without *some* knowledge of the back-end. Cool interfaces few and far between #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:18pm @agaleszczynski Can you tell me more? Re: double-capitalization going on w/ #cyberinfrastructure baking on #bigdata #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:18pm AGREED RT @re_sieber: @michael_d_gould challenge is not VGI v #cyberGIS but why is geom, topo special in #cyberinfrastructure #geowebchat

@terra_tenney 12:19pm @re_sieber @michael_d_gould So does this mean that any business use is not alturistic or related to end-users #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:19pm @re_sieber how using the term #cyberinfrastructure is already a way of speaking to funding agencies now #bigdata #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:20pm #cyberGIS is hi perf, realtime spatial analysis, parallelization, new geostats–it’s not #geoweb but GIS on steroids #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:20pm @terra_tenney no, that’s not what we mean, but that was a side comment. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:20pm @re_sieber what is your experience in the Canadian context? I feel like #cyberGIS is very US-centric (a way of speaking to NSF) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:20pm Is anybody scooping up the tweets without the hastag? There are a few in my feed that are pretty interesting questions. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:21pm @joeeckert but often in agile methodologies,the data stored and produced is going to have to have standards associated with them #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:21pm @re_sieber ok, so please define geoweb. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:21pm @agaleszczynski @re_sieber Seems like the “anointed” term of choice. But who doesn’t pander to NSF w/language? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:21pm @agaleszczynski #cyberinfrastructure is concept understood by #NSF. #bigdata not understood but everyone wants a piece of it. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:22pm @agaleszczynski @re_sieber Like Salinsky said, (paraphrasing) “tell ‘em in a language in which they’ll listen.” #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:22pm RT @mhaklay Question: does CybeGIS need to bother us, when in Google Scholar there are 780 CyberGIS hits & 2330 on GeoWeb ? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:22pm @JessiBreen Negative, just using TweetDeck. Could RT them so they make it into the #geowebchat annals.

@JessiBreen 12:23pm @joeeckert Fetching them now. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:23pm @re_sieber Agreed, I see #geoweb as almost a ‘low resource’ approach vs. #cyberGIS large scale SDIs #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:23pm @floraandflying Sure, but they’re flexible. And in NoSQL/other non-schematic tech, those standards change quickly. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:23pm @michael_d_gould @re_sieber uh-oh, here we go again. XD #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:23pm @agaleszczynski Good point. No #geocyberinfrastructure talk at all in Canada. SDI, #opendata, #geocomputation are big things. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:23pm @michael_d_gould @re_sieber ahhh, here we go again (and again) #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:24pm @peterajohnson @re_sieber What’s low-resource about having to know both tech *and* people? That’s 2x the fieldwork! #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:25pm @re_sieber those are much more intuitive ways of designating what it is we’re talking about #opendata #geocomputation #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:25pm @peterajohnson #geoweb as UX; #cyberGIS as software engineering #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:25pm @joeeckert hah, not ‘low effort’ for sure! #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:26pm ok, so maybe the interesting dichotomy is big (old school) gis vs geoweb. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:26pm @michael_d_gould Is it really a dichotomy at all? Or is it just folks following well-worn tribal paths decades old? #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:26pm @michael_d_gould what do you see as the key differences b/w the two (old school GIS vs. geoweb/VGI)? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:26pm @michael_d_gould #geoweb is tech (eg APIs) and people and #VGI and ethics #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:27pm @re_sieber @peterajohnson Awww, I do software engineering. Am I in the wrong tribe now? Dammit! ;) #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:28pm ok. RT @re_sieber: @michael_d_gould #geoweb is tech (eg APIs) and people and #VGI and ethics #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:28pm @joeeckert FYI, I’m supporting the word “troop” over “tribe.” Makes us sound like baboons! :) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:28pm @joeeckert @michael_d_gould A third tribe! #cyberGIS, #neogeographers, and #GIScience. That’s not controversial round here #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:29pm @michael_d_gould @re_sieber Great definition for sure. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:29pm for clarification re: tribes, see #geowebchat transcript on Geoweb vs. GIScience bit.ly/z5eU75

@mattmoehr 12:29pm @JessiBreen there was just a big crow sitting on my lawn. Why not use “murders” instead of troops? #geowebchat @joeeckert

@JessiBreen 12:29pm RT @alogicalfallacy The standards may change, but their always there at some level unless you’re doing straight low level stuff. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:30pm @agaleszczynski old school more desktop and map-making-centric and geoweb more web centric (lightweight). #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:30pm @alogicalfallacy @floraandflying No f’ing way. But “driver” is probably the right level of abstraction. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:31pm but need more details on ethics RT @floraandflying: @michael_d_gould @re_sieber Great definition for sure. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:31pm @mattmoehr @JessiBreen @joeeckert Or clowders of GIS folks #NoTribesRoundHere #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:31pm @agaleszczynski @mattmoehr <REDACTED> <REDACTED> <REDACTED> <REDACTED> <REDACTED> #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:31pm @mattmoehr @joeeckert I thought about it, but thought primates were more apt. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:32pm @michael_d_gould @floraandflying @re_sieber Ok, so why are CyberGIS folks absolved from ethics? Bowman expedition? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:32pm @michael_d_gould @floraandflying @re_sieber Or I guess more generally, why do we encourage this sort of rift development? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:33pm @michael_d_gould @floraandflying @re_sieber Does dichotomy do anything other than deem one group worth funding? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:33pm I run from the term “cyberGIS” because I don’t consider what I do GIS. Geoweb sounds more inclusive. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:33pm @michael_d_gould @floraandflying We could talk ab an ethic of #cyberGIS too. #AAG2013 was a tiny bit tone-deaf on subject #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:33pm @joeeckert @michael_d_gould @floraandflying @re_sieber makes me think of @re_sieber’s comments a few #geowebchat ago…

@floraandflying 12:33pm @michael_d_gould @re_sieber I think we expound upon Sieber and Poore VGI manifesto developed at GISScience 2010. #vgiethics #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:34pm @joeeckert @michael_d_gould @re_sieber re: how #CyberGIS even more removed from the social implications of tech than #GIScience #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:34pm But back to @mhaklay ‘s comment. It looks like the field has already landed on geoweb. What are we arguing about/for? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:34pm @JessiBreen True that. “GIS” didn’t get us our funding. It’s a tool, like Goodchild said. Here’s to geo-info in all forms. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:35pm @floraandflying @michael_d_gould You need to inc yourself, @punkish and @mvexel in the VGI Mainfesto too #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:35pm @JessiBreen @mhaklay you’re right that geogs have settle on #geoweb, but by doing so are we marginalizing ourselves? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:35pm @joeeckert Don’t let my GIS instructors hear you say that…. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:36pm @JessiBreen @mhaklay i.e., no-one outside of geography says “geoweb” #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:36pm @agaleszczynski @mhaklay What do they say? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:37pm @joeeckert maybe UR too young to remember tht in the 80s everyone published “bla bla bla..with GIS” to get published/funded. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:37pm @joeeckert @michael_d_gould @floraandflying You speak to a fundamental rift in academia: the need to be set apart from the old #geowebchat

@mhaklay 12:37pm @agaleszczynski @JessiBreen beyond geography – media studies seem to be happy with geoweb, also HCI #geowebchat

@kyjts 12:37pm @re_sieber @agaleszczynski FWIW, there were 13 #geocode sessions at #AAG2013, plus #ironsheep… floatingsheep.org/2013/04/geocod… #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:37pm @agaleszczynski @JessiBreen @mhaklay YES!!! SO MUCH THIS! Say the word “geoweb” outside a grog conf and see how far you get. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:37pm I stand corrected RT @mhaklay beyond geography – media studies seem to be happy with geoweb, also HCI #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:38pm @agaleszczynski @JessiBreen @mhaklay er, geog conf. the grog conf is the other conference I go to annually. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:38pm @mhaklay @agaleszczynski I have colleagues who introduce me as studying “the internet.” Loses nuance, but isn’t totally wrong. #geowebchat

@mhaklay 12:38pm @joeeckert @agaleszczynski @JessiBreen so how do you explain this scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&… ? not all geog #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:39pm @agaleszczynski @JessiBreen @mhaklay In private sector, among entrepreneurs, lots use #geoweb. The curse of Tim O’Reilly. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:39pm @mhaklay @agaleszczynski May I have cites for that offline, when you get a chance? E-mail’s still the same. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:40pm @mhaklay @agaleszczynski @JessiBreen Percentage looks better than I expected (still meager, but better). Neat! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:40pm @joeeckert What is this grog conference you speak of? Sounds much better than geog conferences #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:40pm @re_sieber @joeeckert I prefer beer. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:41pm @michael_d_gould HAH! Indeed I am, but I’m well familiar with that territory. Same reason I weasel “big data” into stuff I write #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:41pm @joeeckert @mhaklay @re_sieber @JessiBreen that’s a really positive development if non-geogs are using #geoweb #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:42pm @agaleszczynski Or if you believe in the O’Reilly Curse, perhaps not. ;) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:42pm What can #cyberGIS learn from #VGI? #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:42pm @joeeckert @mhaklay @re_sieber @JessiBreen or, if they’ve been using it all along #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:42pm That’s a really good question RT @re_sieber What can #cyberGIS learn from #VGI? #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:43pm @joeeckert @michael_d_gould so are we more afraid the same will or *won’t* happen with geoweb? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:43pm VGI=bigData RT @re_sieber: What can #cyberGIS learn from #VGI? #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:44pm Don’t automatically laugh at things like @openstreetmap RT @re_sieber: What can #cyberGIS learn from #VGI? #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:44pm @mattmoehr @joeeckert @michael_d_gould what’s the O’Reilly curse? The addition of “2.0″ to everything? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:44pm @mattmoehr @michael_d_gould Or perhaps just sadly resigned? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:44pm #cyberGIS has much to learn from #VGI ab unstructured content, motivation to participate, underlying agendas, digital inequities #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:45pm @agaleszczynski I think of it like the end of the Neverending Story with the creeping void. Except void = venture capital. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:45pm @agaleszczynski @mattmoehr @joeeckert @michael_d_gould And the woodblock animal prints. #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:46pm @joeeckert @michael_d_gould granted a different dept. but I’ve been told by multiple profs that geoweb != real sociology. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:46pm @JessiBreen Can’t forget the “which animal was that reference guide again?” Interactive Data Viz got sparrows or finches? #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:47pm @re_sieber so mostly you are saying that #cyberGIS has much to learn ab paying attn to the social aspect from #VGI? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:47pm @mattmoehr @michael_d_gould That’s ok, I’ve been trying to convince sociologists that geography isn’t lat/longs for years now. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:47pm @mattmoehr who said it was or should be real sociology? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:48pm +1 “@mattmoehr: Don’t automatically laugh at things like @openstreetmap RT @re_sieber: What can #cyberGIS learn from #VGI? #geowebchat”

@mhaklay 12:48pm @joeeckert @agaleszczynski you’ve seen this analysis of Morozov ‘The Meme Hustler’ thebaffler.com/past/the_meme_… ? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:48pm @mattmoehr @joeeckert @michael_d_gould There are geogs who think the same thing. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:48pm @joeeckert @mattmoehr @michael_d_gould though soc along with other ss disciplines is all over location now #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:48pm @agaleszczynski YES: #cyberGIS has much to learn ab paying attn to the social aspect from #VGI. Inc hidden assumptions in each #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:49pm @mhaklay @agaleszczynski Yup! Always a fun read too. Almost an aperitif after working with O’Reilly texts. XD #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:49pm @agaleszczynski and the maps are so, so bad. #justsayin #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:50pm following up on re_sieber’s Q, what can #VGI learn from #CyberGIS? #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:50pm @JessiBreen phew. thought it was just me ;) #geowebchat @joeeckert @michael_d_gould

@re_sieber 12:50pm @agaleszczynski This is what #VGI, other social sci can learn from #cyberGIS: Geog > location #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:51pm @joeeckert SOOOO bad. Sociology maps are @Esri default maps, so that’s what ya get. #geowebchat @agaleszczynski

@michael_d_gould 12:51pm re_sieber I’d say most people need to pay more attention to social aspects: not special to cybergis. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:53pm @re_sieber @agaleszczynski Sorry, geog-is-more-than-location belongs to #cyberGIS now? Has someone told the post-structuralists? #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:53pm @michael_d_gould agreed. #GIScience and #VGI have been particularly good at working @ the intersection of soc & tech #geowebchat

@terra_tenney 12:54pm Agreedx2RT @agaleszczynski #GIScience and #VGI have been particularly good working @ the intersection of soc & tech #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:54pm @joeeckert @agaleszczynski Quick, ring up John Pickles! #geowebchat

@bricker 12:55pm @agaleszczynski @michael_d_gould #geowebchat and that is likely why most of us are here.

@agaleszczynski 12:55pm @michael_d_gould @re_sieber also #VGI has much to learn about articulating research interests from #cyberGIS #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:55pm @re_sieber @agaleszczynski He ought to have some sort of bat-signal. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:56pm @re_sieber @joeeckert wouldn’t it be great to have a #geowebchat with the CritGIS pioneers (who don’t regularly join #geowebchat)

@joeeckert 12:57pm @agaleszczynski @michael_d_gould @re_sieber Definitely. Or at least framing them in a way that doesn’t fall on deaf ears. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:57pm @agaleszczynski @re_sieber Absolutely. You’re in charge of the Twitter training though, I did the last one. HAH! #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:57pm @re_sieber @joeeckert I meant who don’t **already** regularly tweet in #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:57pm @re_sieber 140 chars not enough. Tampa! #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 12:59pm #geowebchat hour is coming to a close. anyone have any last/closing thoughts re: #CyberGIS vs. VGI/the geoweb?

@peterajohnson 12:59pm @michael_d_gould @re_sieber now you’re talking #AAG2014 geo/code organizing committee anyone? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:59pm @agaleszczynski @joeeckert That would be great. We’d need to gently introduce CritGIS pioneers to the roughntumble world of #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 1:00pm @re_sieber @joeeckert @michael_d_gould that would be a great #AAG2014 panel session #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:00pm @agaleszczynski @michael_d_gould It’d be nice to see more #VGI, CritGIS research get that big #cyberinfrastructure grant $$ #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 1:00pm @peterajohnson beat me to it :) #AAG2014 #geowebchat

@joeeckert 1:01pm @agaleszczynski Thanks for hosting! Much appreciated. #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 1:01pm it looks like our time is up. thanks to everyone who participated for a spirited #geowebchat, especially newcomers.

@re_sieber 1:03pm @agaleszczynski Closing thoughts: let’s engage more &not reproduce alienation btwn #cyberGIS & CritGIS folks: more engagement #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:03pm Thanks, @agaleszczynski. Great #geowebchat today

@michael_d_gould 1:04pm +1 RT @re_sieber: Thanks, @agaleszczynski. Great #geowebchat today

@agaleszczynski 1:06pm looking at the calendar, the next #geowebchat is sched for 07/02/13. Social reputation/credibility and the geowebs (host: @floraandflying)

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 4:19pm Next #geowebchat Tomorrow (Tues Jun 4). Teaching the geoweb, part II: MOOCs & teaching online. 12p PT, 3p ET. cc #currcamp2013. Please RT!

@mappingmashups 12:00pm Hello everyone. #geowebchat is starting now! Follow along with tools like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat, or mute the hashtag to ignore us.

@mappingmashups 12:01pm Today we’re going to be discussing tools and strategies for teaching the geoweb online. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:02pm All right, @rushgeo, @JessiBreen, and I are here on the Kentucky porch, waiting for #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:02pm Hi #geowebchat. Excited to be participating today…been lurking for a while. I’m a PhD student at U of C studying social media & learning.

@mappingmashups 12:02pm Think of this as a continuation of previous chats on this topic: mappingmashups.net/2012/05/15/geo… and recently mappingmashups.net/2013/05/07/geo… #geowebchat

@udontknowJacq 12:02pm I’ve connected w/ @mappingmashups & I’m hoping to participate & collect data/posts from the #geowebchat community in my doctoral research

@joeeckert 12:03pm @mappingmashups Should also recommend snapchat, official app of #currcamp2013! #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:03pm Hard to learn the about the various geoweb platforms with just one of the current MOOC offerings. Need to use various tutorials. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:03pm @JacqInTheBooks Welcome Jacq! Serendipitously this topic is quite relevant to your work! #geowebchat

@udontknowJacq 12:03pm Link w/ details of my research- informallearningonline.webs.com Please feel free to contact me if u have any questions/concerns/comments #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:04pm I chose today’s topic because I wanted to pick the brains of the #currcamp2013 crew, who spent the last week working on a #MOOC. #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:04pm @mappingmashups Yes, I’m very excited about today’s topic! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:04pm Anyone else lurking on #geowebchat? I never have a good idea of how many there are here.

@joeeckert 12:05pm .@mappingmashups well, actually, not really a #MOOC per se, but a set of online courses built in a similar modular fashion. #geowebchat

@DonnaGenzmer 12:05pm @joeeckert #geowebchat #lurking

@JessiBreen 12:05pm @mappingmashups Good luck w/ that. Brains are fried.#geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:05pm .@mappingmashups Although it could probably be #MOOC-ized pretty rapidly if they decide to go that route. #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:06pm I’m lurking today – starting my MS in geography at South Carolina in the fall. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:06pm @mappingmashups Welp, pick away. For others, #currcamp13 was at U of Kentucky, where about a dozen of us put together + #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:06pm As far as I can tell #currcamp2013 is an iteration of #sheepcamp, hosted by @floating_sheep. RE last year mappingmashups.net/2012/06/19/geo… #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:06pm @WxDan Go Gamecocks! USC undergrad. :) #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:07pm the future of online curriculum for open source GIS/web mapping products. Pretty sweet! Very tired. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:07pm @WxDan Congratulations for being accepted into graduate work and welcome to #geowebchat

@EmmaSlager 12:07pm @joeeckert Lurking! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:08pm .@mappingmashups yeah, less of a #sheepcamp this year, and more like a pedagogical hack-a-thon #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:09pm So the question we had as #currcamp2013ers, was what needed to be included in a geoweb class. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:09pm A cogent rebuttal to MOOCs cucfa.org/news/2013_may1… for our #geowebchat. Q is, are MOOCs bad for teaching #neogeoweb?

@mappingmashups 12:09pm So before we start picking at the #currcamp2013 crew, has anyone used/seen anything like a geoweb MOOC or other online course? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:09pm #currcamp2013 : the @mattzook-led salt mines of graduate student course development. free food! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:10pm I guess the Geospatial Revolution MOOC is still in the future, correct? coursera.org/course/maps #geowebchat cc @A_C_Robinson

@re_sieber 12:11pm For many years, GIS has been taught w online, distance education. So why not MOOCs for #neogeoweb? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:11pm @mappingmashups I am signed up for that. #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:11pm Geoweb edu examples for users w/ foundation of skills share processes like @mbostock on bl.ocks.org/mbostock w/ real examples. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:12pm The modules we worked on covered gamut btw critical geo & web skills. Some maybe easier to roll into course managers than others #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:12pm This was a lot of skill building. I think MOOCs work for that. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:12pm @re_sieber probably works great for tech skills – seems more difficult to test for theoretical comprehension w/ multi-choice ?s #geowebchat

@GPSBaby 12:12pm @joeeckert lurking too..#geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:12pm @mpmckenna8 is that an actual site? I didn’t see anything at that address. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:14pm RT @A_C_Robinson: I think there’s a lot of space for folks to develop excellent geoweb/neocartography/geowhatever MOOCs. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:14pm We just left Lexington. Miss you all! #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:14pm @mappingmashups @A_C_Robinson I think it’s just yet to be collated into one MOOC, see twitter.com/mpmckenna8/sta… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:14pm RT @joeeckert: I sometimes think that geoweb studies might be one of the few places where I’m not completely terrified of #MOOCs #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm RT @evanlandman: @mappingmashups @A_C_Robinson this is basically advertising for Penn State’s online GIS classes isnt it #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:15pm At the moment, 17,574 folks have signed up for the #Maps MOOC, over 2000 on the watchlist for the 2nd offering. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm RT @A_C_Robinson: Ah, no, it’s not. I look forward to folks letting me know what they think about the class once it’s opened. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:15pm @mpmckenna8 Why would we expect that though? Don’t teach all of Soc in one course (credit: @JessiBreen) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:16pm I noticed @ hackathons & relev to MOOCs is newbies have huge problem in fig out questions to ask, eg what 2 variables to viz. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:16pm @joeeckert That’s right. I’ll talk and you tweet it. Cyborgs!!!!! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:16pm @A_C_Robinson Can the unwashed among us get a link? ;) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:16pm @A_C_Robinson @evanlandman Hi guys. I’m retweeting your tweets to the #geowebchat hashtag to keep the rest of the conversation involved.

@A_C_Robinson 12:17pm I think Geography on the whole stands to benefit from the huge exposure possible from MOOCs. We’re just not that visible yet. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:18pm @joeeckert Absolutely! One thing I am doing is compiling a list of resources, further reading, etc… def. shoot me an email. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:18pm @joeeckert We’ve been meaning to talk to you about that…. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:18pm @A_C_Robinson nevermind, found it. for everyone else: coursera.org/course/maps #geowebchat

@ajturner 12:19pm @re_sieber Tools should be able to provide good suggestions for relevant and correlated variables. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:19pm @A_C_Robinson I’m signed up for your course. Looking forward to it, especially after this week at #CurrCamp2013. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:19pm @ajturner @re_sieber doesn’t that assume the right variables are in there in the first place? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:19pm @A_C_Robinson unsurprisingly, big pushback from academics on MOOCs chronicle.com/article/Why-So… hard to teach creativity, insight #geowebchat

@EmmaSlager 12:20pm #Technicity MOOC is related: coursera.org/course/techcity I signed up but was a poor participant b/c of thesis… #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:20pm At the same time, MOOCs are not a panacea for education. Just a new thing that we should give a shot. #geowebchat.

@rushgeo 12:20pm Still wondering how traditional academic model will use MOOC say 10 years from now. Right now seems really experimental. #geowebchat

@runner_steve 12:20pm @A_C_Robinson I’m signed up too. Looking forward to it. #geowebchat

@ajturner 12:20pm @joeeckert More interesting – what if the variables are in another dataset. Can we do data recommendations? @bhecht @re_sieber #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:20pm @re_sieber we’ll just automate creativity and insight through tools, right? ;) #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:21pm @re_sieber Naturally – and I think debate is healthy. Also hard to deny that 1000s around the world have a new kind of access. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:21pm @ajturner sure, but I’d much rather the students know how to find the data themselves. serendipity is algorithmically foiled #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:21pm @ajturner Maybe we educated, highly skilled few take for granted our ability to construct an interesting q to ask w geog&bigdata #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:21pm @ajturner Side note, are you coming to GeoDC tomorrow? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:22pm just watch listed the coursers dealy-o — will audit when access is available #geowebchat

@GPSBaby 12:22pm @joeeckert opportunity is huge for capacity building in global GI community #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:23pm @EmmaSlager Oh, that’s what #technicity hashtag is about! Good tweets from @EvansCowley, @tomwsanchez coursera.org/course/techcity #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:23pm @ajturner recommendations are neat, I guess, so long as they don’t quench the ability to stumble upon something #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:23pm @A_C_Robinson Concern is not granting access; concern over MOOCs is branding, commod of higher educ. Also uncompensated time #geowebchat

@wilsonism 12:24pm #geowebchat Thank you to the #currcamp2013 participants! #lessonplans make #learningobjectives make #modules

@joeeckert 12:24pm @re_sieber to be fair, we’re increasingly having to go the branding route on this side of the lawn as well #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:24pm @joeeckert I’m eager for all feedback. Also hope to find a way to provide all of the course content in easily resuable form #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:25pm @re_sieber (is this where I plug somelab.net ? floatingsheep.org ? should see the e-mails from mkting dept #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:26pm @re_sieber Yep – I don’t deny any of those concerns. I’m in the middle of it – and I lead tuition $ dependent online progs #geowebchat

@adenas 12:26pm I’m curious to see how the first #MOOCs go – I don’t think any have taken place. Google’s will be first? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:26pm Despite concern, I’m all in favour of skill development via @andyshears #geowebchat wiki or a crowdsourced MOOC.

@A_C_Robinson 12:27pm @re_sieber I think when the dust settles MOOCs will be useful for some stuff and augment, but not replace, the other stuff we do #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:27pm @joeeckert Thus my new mantra: I’m a geography professor, not a commodity! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:28pm RT @re_sieber: Despite concern, I’m all in favour of skill development via @AndrewShears #geowebchat wiki or a crowdsourced MOOC.

@joeeckert 12:28pm @re_sieber yeah, a well-funded, well-known, well-connected professor. some of us still need to run the hustle. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:28pm An opportunity for GIScience could be through MOOCs focused on big research problems (disambiguating placenames in text, etc…) #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:29pm @re_sieber besides, you’re already-always-becoming a market commodity. folks are hustling on your behalf. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:29pm @A_C_Robinson Then we should play a role in clarifying the line btwn skills-based MOOCs and inspiration-based phys activities #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:29pm @A_C_Robinson can you sneak me into the first course if I sign up then? promise not to make you grade ish. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:30pm @joeeckert @re_sieber Well, I’m not those things. So I’m weird. Note that I am the 1 out of 5 launched here who isn’t a rockstar #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:30pm crap, need to bounce to catch the plane, y’all. we’ll talk later, maybe the next #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:30pm Uhoh, looks like the #geowebwiki is down at the moment: geoweb.andrewshears.com. And I think @AndrewShears has appendicitis… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:30pm @joeeckert Thanks for coming for part of it! Safe flight! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:30pm @joeeckert Okay, have to remember my own privilege. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:30pm @joeeckert I’m pretty sure you can join up through the first few days of class. And I’m not grading anything for anyone. :) #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:31pm @re_sieber you can share if you want to, I sure wouldn’t mind. ;) #geowebchat

@runner_steve 12:32pm @mappingmashups I was able to get to the site geoweb.andrewshears.com #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:32pm @adenas Which one is Google’s? A geo #MOOC? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:32pm @A_C_Robinson Initial dividing line cud b GIS, #neogeoweb in MOOCs; GIScience, criticalGIS in phys courses, meetups, hackathons #geowebchat

@adenas 12:33pm mapping.withgoogle.com/preview
#geowebchat

@adenas 12:34pm I call it a MOOC. Google did no. apb.directionsmag.com/entry/google-a… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:34pm “Mapping with Google” online course. I hadn’t seen that, thanks! RT @adenas: mapping.withgoogle.com/preview #geowebchat #MOOC

@adenas 12:36pm Also planned Pace U GIS MOOC directionsmag.com/articles/pace-… #geowebchat

@runner_steve 12:37pm I saw that link to Google’s course and opted for Anthony’s because Google’s seemed to be basic end user features. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:37pm @adenas Awesome, hadn’t seen that! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:37pm @A_C_Robinson Sim problem w #bigdata. Insight isn’t automatic & isn’t inductive. Must be carefully guided foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:38pm @JessiBreen @rushgeo do any institutions already have plans to use the #currcamp2013 material in their teaching this fall? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:39pm @mappingmashups I don’t think there are plans for the Fall. It’s still very much in development. @wilsonism? @mattzook? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:40pm @mappingmashups I’m not teaching this year, but I’ll be using them. #geowebchat zook said bsd license?

@joeeckert 12:40pm @JessiBreen pretty sure they said dev this year, teach next. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:41pm @JessiBreen Better use it quick or all your work will be out of date! #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:41pm @mappingmashups My work is timeless. ;) #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:42pm Ideally, what would #geowebchat folks want to see in terms of reusable course content from a MOOC like mine? Where should it be hosted?

@joeeckert 12:42pm @mappingmashups that’s a real problem, innit? We fought with that one. #geowebchat

@GPSBaby 12:42pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat think global problems for really big issues…GI for Land Reform .benefits to developing countries great #MOOC

@mappingmashups 12:43pm @joeeckert Licensing is tricky. BSD doesn’t require share-alike, so any instructor using the mat’l doesn’t have to share mods #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:43pm For context, we already offer lots of content via open.ems.psu.edu, but it doesn’t seem like a great way to share widely #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:43pm @joeeckert But if you’d picked a share-alike license that would force others to help keep it all up to date… #geowebchat

@MapGoddess 12:44pm @A_C_Robinson UCGIS is talking about hosting course content/resources for sharing #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:44pm @DonnaGenzmer Ah, interesting. I look forward to hearing more about that. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:44pm .@joeeckert hitting the road from #CurrCamp2013 #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/yFrKNfdydk

@A_C_Robinson 12:45pm @joeeckert CC-Attribution-Share Alike OK or what? That’s what we normally do here with OER. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:45pm @A_C_Robinson In #neogeoweb MOOC, I’d like to see hard core technical material. Coding, client-server communications #geowebchat

@runner_steve 12:45pm @A_C_Robinson I’m looking for exposure to uses of spatial I don’t see at work. Data sets. Where it’s hosted doesn’t matter 2 me. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:45pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat darn phone

@adenas 12:45pm @A_C_Robinson My informal research is that few know of OER and fewer actually use it. There’s an edu opp there! #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:45pm @mappingmashups Nice thing about that is that their institutional policies might restrict them from using share-alike, though #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:46pm @A_C_Robinson Sure. Anything where I can use it in classes for free #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:46pm @ajturner I used the BoK to develop a roadmap for what topics I’d cover in my MOOC, along with the DoL GIS&T competencies. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:47pm @adenas Totally agree. But then we had a student come here from Iran who said we were famous there for our Python & GIS OER. :) #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:52pm Open geoweb edu content may be good way to foster carto literacy in designers. Less maps with classic mistakes, MAUP, etc #geowebchat

@adenas 12:54pm @rushgeo Yes, more content about the underlying basic principles and less tied to a specific exercise or tech is most helpful. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:54pm Translations: OER = Open Educational Resources, DoL = Dept of Labor, GIS&T = Geographic Information Science & Technology #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:54pm @A_C_Robinson @ajturner I used the NCGIA core curriculum A LOT when I started as prof (techie stuff lk ER model). But never BoK. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:55pm BoK = Body of Knowledge, UCGIS = Univ Consortium for GIS: ucgis.org/priorities/edu… #geowebchat

@GPSBaby 12:56pm @rushgeo agree #opendata constrained to country of interest #openeducation no boundaries..#geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:56pm NCGIA = National Center for Geographic Information and Analysis. Oh, and MOOC = Massive Open Online Course! #geowebchat Did I miss any?

@JessiBreen 12:56pm @mappingmashups I’m glad someone speaks academic twitter abbreviations. #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:57pm @mappingmashups Thanks the translations are helpful :-) #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:57pm I mentioned idea of contributing a geoweb core to GIS&T, but probably few things that can be formalized as change is constant #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:58pm We are approaching the end of this #geowebchat… any last thoughts? #currcamp2013 people, where online should we look for results/reports?

@re_sieber 12:58pm .@mappingmashups has become our #neogeoweb acronym decoder #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:59pm @re_sieber I should write a bot to do it. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:59pm @mappingmashups Not sure where #CurrCamp2013 stuff will end up or when, but I’ll certainly spread the word when it’s up. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:00pm Remember that as always I’ll be posting the transcript from this chat here: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:00pm @mappingmashups DOO IIIIT. I’d proudly put that on my CV if I did it. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:00pm @mappingmashups We should build on NCGIA model, esp w rapidly changing content: mini MOOCs that are customizable, mix/match #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:00pm Maybe we’ll return to this topic in a few months, after we see how the “Summer of Geo-MOOCs” turns out? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 1:00pm @mappingmashups If you want to write a twitterbot, we had some good ideas for some during our evening “break out” sessions. :) #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:01pm @re_sieber What we worked on at #CurrCamp2013 might work for that. We had modules that were collected into “classes”… #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:02pm @re_sieber … but there would be many other ways to arrange them based on goals and other avail. content #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:02pm Next #geowebchat topics: “CyberGIS & the Geoweb” on Jun 18 w/ @agaleszczynski & “Social reputation/credibility” on Jul 2 w/ @floraandflying

@mappingmashups 1:03pm Thanks everybody for joining #geowebchat today, especially the new people! See you every 1st and 3rd Tuesday at the same time!

@MapGoddess 1:03pm @A_C_Robinson new #UCGIS intitiative: #BoK update. John Wilson USC leading the initiative. Skupin, Ahern & Plewe w ideas as well #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:04pm @rushgeo Bld course content that can be delivered online and/or in class. I’m thinking segmented by class but cud b done by goal #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:05pm RT @ThomasG77: BoK PDF aag.org/cs/bok Rediscover it answering to “Learning to think spatially” gis.stackexchange.com/questions/4204… #geowebchat

@jscarto 1:06pm @A_C_Robinson what do you think of a MOOC w/ open content contribution + github-style issues, pull requests? (Assuming oversight)#geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 1:08pm @MapGoddess Yep, I’ve seen the tool Skupin is working on, which is really cool. Can’t wait til v2 of the BoK is out in the wild #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 1:09pm @mappingmashups Sounds great to me! I’m eager to share as much as possible about the experience of developing and teaching one. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 1:20pm Good news: no appendicitis and it seems the #geoweb wiki is back online. #geowebchat

@Abi_Gilmore 2:08pm Aha MT@mappingmashups: “Mapping with Google” online course. RT @adenas: mapping.withgoogle.com/preview #geowebchat #MOOC

@mappingmashups May 18, 3:34pm Next #geowebchat: Personalized maps & the #filterbubble (suggested reading: theatlanticcities.com/technology/201…) Join the chat, Tues 12pm PDT. Please RT!

@mappingmashups May 18, 3:40pm Here’s the sign-up link for the new Google Maps: maps.google.com/help/maps/hell…. Maybe you’ll get an invite in time to try it out before #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 10:25am More reading for #geowebchat today (12pm PT): “Why the New Google Maps Is the Most Honest Form of Cartography” theatlantic.com/technology/arc…

@mappingmashups 12:00pm Starting now: #geowebchat about personalized maps and the “filter bubble”! theatlanticcities.com/technology/201…

@mappingmashups 12:00pm Follow hashtag #geowebchat to join the conversation, or mute the hashtag to ignore us. tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat is another good way to follow.

@mappingmashups 12:02pm Obviously the new vers. of Google Maps maps.google.com/help/maps/hell… prompted our chat, but any kind of personalized map is fair game. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:04pm I’m still waiting for my invite to the new Google Maps, so I haven’t tested the creep factor myself. Has anyone else tried it? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:06pm RT @mattdance: Creepy. And misses the most exiting point of map – discovery of the new & unknown (to me at least) & connecting. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:06pm @mappingmashups Still waiting on my invite, too. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:07pm @mattdance I get the loss of the unknown, but can you elaborate on “connecting”? #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:08pm @mappingmashups @mattdance It seems like an evolutionary step- many of the same business logics as Google had b4- now farther #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:09pm @mattdance Thing is, though, that previous GMaps (and maps in general) aren’t necessarily good at showing the new and unknown… #geowebchat

@jfire 12:09pm It looks like the new Google Maps is already personalizing the map based on gmap search history. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:09pm @mattdance …previous maps just show the old and popular. Might be new to you, but there’s lots of “new” you’d be missing. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:10pm The personalization of google web search results is convenient, yet annoying. Makes me feel overly directed. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:11pm Same with autosuggest of search terms – convenient, yet very limiting #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:11pm Censorship in the name of efficiency? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:12pm RT @mattdance: True on the new. But, it’s a place to start for a person exploring a ‘new’ region, trying to engage w/ unkn geogs #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:12pm I think the concern is that people won’t recognize that they are being limited. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:13pm personalized maps and search terms make me wish for the frontier days of the web…. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:14pm @JessiBreen Maybe there just needs to be more transparency? Google does some of that, in fine print saying why a place is rec’d. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm @peterajohnson The frontier days when everybody’s search results were exactly the same as everybody else’s? Homogeneity? #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:15pm @mappingmashups @JessiBreen #geowebchat perhaps somthing like Journalism’s independent source rule that requires at least two sources?

@mappingmashups 12:15pm @jfire John, the new maps is turned on for you? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:16pm @mappingmashups I think it would be an interesting survey to see how aware of Google’s algorithms people are. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:16pm @mappingmashups More like when you travel to a place and can’t help but wish you’d been there 10 years ago before it was ruined #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:17pm @peterajohnson Are you allowed to have those thoughts as a tourism geographer? ;) #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:17pm @mappingmashups @peterajohnson #geowebchat Multiple questions? 1 Political- issue of what is public sphere and 2 Cultural limits

@jfire 12:17pm @mappingmashups Yes. Example: Stamen Design studio appears on my map. I searched for it when I visited for an OSM editathon. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:18pm RT @CraigMDalton: #geowebchat Yes; Filter Bubble, but also Hillis et al.’s “Google: The Culture of Search” (2013)

@mappingmashups 12:19pm @jfire Interesting. Do you do Google Places reviews, or have a G+ friends who do? I’m especially curious about those effects. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:19pm perhaps Google’s filter bubble will create a niche for non-filtered search engines? Or is Google-search dominance too strong? #geowebchat

@bricker 12:20pm Is there an on off function? Show me something new vs show me something I am sure to like #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:20pm @mappingmashups @jfire #geowebchat it’s tempting to drop my Cookies, cache, history etc… to see how this develops from a minimal start

@Issy_01 12:21pm What difference is googles maps engine going to make? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:21pm @bricker but why dispute that the Google algorithm has perfectly matched your needs and wants? ;) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:21pm @bricker I’d be a lot less anxious about it if it had that option. #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:22pm @bricker #geowebchat I’m reminded of Marshall McLuhan’s prediction that the off buttons on TV’s would become obsolete

@skorasaurus 12:22pm @bricker notifying you of something you’ll like and new places based on location, what yelp 4sq are doing #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:22pm @CraigMDalton @mappingmashups @jfire You’d just need a virtual machine, right? #geowebchat

@jfire 12:22pm @mappingmashups Haven’t written any reviews myself. I’m assuming it’s based on search history, but don’t know for sure. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:23pm @CraigMDalton @bricker TVs work without remotes? #geowebchat

@jfire 12:24pm I recall seeing a research project recently that generated routes with an element of serendipity. Anyone have a link? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:24pm @Issy_01 Interesting Q. I wonder whether user-generated data (like My Maps formerly) will make its way into the algorithm? #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:25pm So you could use Google Maps in a “depersonalized” way by clearing cache and signing out of Google, right? Or dedicate a browser #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:25pm @JessiBreen @CraigMDalton A virtual machine might be overkill. Just a different browser, or a browser on incognito. #geowebchat

@jfire 12:25pm @CraigMDalton @mappingmashups Pretty sure access to the preview is tied to your G+ account, so might be tough. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:26pm @JessiBreen @CraigMDalton Although there have been some rumors of ppl getting personalized search results based on their IP. #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:26pm … that might not work, if their algorithm considers your operating system and location, which I bet it does #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:26pm … I’m more interested in “tweaking” the algorithm to see what variations I can produce than turning it off #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:26pm @mappingmashups @CraigMDalton That is creepy. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:28pm @mappingmashups @CraigMDalton We are all officially just numbers. #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:28pm @mizmay #geowebchat yes- exactly. I’d be curious to see how it builds over time to get hints at how it works

@mappingmashups 12:28pm @jfire Possibly serendipitor.net from Mark Shepard (sentientcity.net) #geowebchat

@Issy_01 12:28pm @CraigMDalton @mappingmashups I’m currently using My Places, for the NGO I work for, is there going to be a signficant change? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:31pm When we ask serendipity from non-personalized maps, we must be much more conscious/active. #psychogeography doesn’t just happen. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:32pm @Issy_01 I’m not sure. I don’t know if My Places will change. Presumably not. #geowebchat

@jfire 12:32pm @mappingmashups Y, same idea. The one I saw suggested POIs along the route and had a dial for “how much free time do you have?” #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:33pm @JessiBreen @mappingmashups @CraigMDalton no way! not just numbers! we are definitely all huge hashes of all types of chars. ;) #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:33pm Search Engine Land has some interesting SEO-type points: searchengineland.com/new-google-map… #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:33pm @jfire @mappingmashups BBC had a web article about 5 apps to help you find new places yesterday. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:34pm Or I should say, #psychogeography always happens. But a situationist dérive doesn’t just happen by using an unpersonalized map. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:35pm @mizmay @mappingmashups @CraigMDalton Don’t forget “potential revenue.” #geowebchat

@Geodoc31 12:35pm @mappingmashups That’s right, but Nothaft (2010) mentioned 4 types of construction of Serendipity #geowebchat

@Geodoc31 12:37pm @mappingmashups Editorial Serendipity, social serendipity, crowdsourced serendipity and algorithmic serendipity #geowebchat

@Geodoc31 12:39pm @mappingmashups Serendipity is linked to an action, a research… that produces unexpected outcomes, so it needs engagement #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:39pm Nothhaft (@henryhank): The Myth Of Serendipity techcrunch.com/2010/11/27/myt… on Eric Schmidt calling Google a “serendipity engine” #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:42pm Did anyone notice @TheAtlantic theatlantic.com/technology/arc… vs. @emilymbadger @AtlanticCities theatlanticcities.com/technology/201… ? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:42pm @nelson @mizmay Are we trying to test a non-personalized Google Maps, or to see the personalization happen from tabula rasa? #geowebchat

@emilymbadger 12:45pm @mizmay we are of many minds. :) But I think we can acknowledge that objectivity is nonexistent while still criticizing it. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:45pm @mizmay Yeah, @emilymbadger mentions @lmirani’s view in her article. Def @TheAtlantic and @AtlanticCities are all over this! #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:45pm @nelson that is a good question; I would assume so. #geowebchat.

@mizmay 12:47pm @mappingmashups @nelson I do not think I have the patience for the evolution of personalization… sounds like parenting o smthg #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:47pm RT @CraigMDalton: I’m more into B- see how it shapes my behavior; the range of cultural, visual ideas and possibilities #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:49pm On a purely cartographic level, did any of you watch the video to see how the GMaps basemap changes in response to searches? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:50pm …You see roads change color (& thickness? not sure) to highlight streets relevant to the highlighted place. It assumes a lot. #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:50pm @mappingmashups @emilymbadger @lmirani Oh missed the ref! No that’s great @TheAtlantic @AtlanticCities #manyminds #winning #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:51pm …but it’s an interesting take on the growing flexibility of the basemap, and a move away from tired content/basemap binary. #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:53pm @mappingmashups aye vector tiles. (sigh) vector tiles. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:55pm Well, we’re about ready to wrap up another #geowebchat. Any last thoughts on the future of personalized cartography?

@emilymbadger 12:57pm @mappingmashups 1) I like idea of on/off switch. 2) @geoplace made interesting pt about how this will make studying maps harder #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:58pm Next #geowebchat will be same time in two weeks, June 4. Looking for a topic and guest host! More info here: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@mappingmashups 12:59pm And as always, take a moment to contribute to the #geowebwiki: geoweb.andrewshears.com #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:59pm RT @samhind10: infinitely harder to generalize. “the map does this” etc. just won’t stand up w/o increasing specificity. #geowebchat

@samhind10 1:01pm @mappingmashups also poss. make political action even more challenging. How to find common ground when there isn’t any. #geowebchat

@mattdance 1:01pm @mappingmashups Thanks for great hosting Alan. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:02pm Thanks everybody! See you next time. And thanks @emilymbadger at @AtlanticCities for the article that inspired today’s chat. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:04pm @samhind10 Or “common ground” and action will only be possible when activists are all G+ friends… #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 2:59pm Tmr #geowebchat 3pm EDT ‘That sh1t is hard to teach!’ Getting our colleagues 2appreciate challenges of teaching ever changing geoweb. Pls RT

@peterajohnson 11:44am @re_sieber @AndrewShears can’t make it to #geowebchat. Driving in rural Nova Scotia

@re_sieber 11:59am #geowebchat in a minute: That sh1t is hard to teach!Get colleagues 2appreciate challenges of teaching geoweb

@re_sieber 12:01pm Hi Everyone & welcome to #geowebchat on That sh1t is hard to teach!Get colleagues 2appreciate challenges of teaching geoweb

@re_sieber 12:02pm This is a response to our colleagues who teach from yellow notes & think teaching geoweb is same as other (unchanging) courses #geowebchat

@bricker 12:03pm @re_sieber #geowebchat Thank you for hosting! Is the point for you colleagues to appreciate it? or to get more prereqs for these students?

@re_sieber 12:05pm @bricker mostly getting our colleagues, who dont apprec challenges of teaching course tht changes minute to minte #geowebchat

@Fischbob 12:06pm As a #neogeoweb student of @re_sieber, I can attest that APIs never stand still; thus neither can curricula #movingtarget #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:06pm our colleagues, who are sources of pay increases, lab allocation, hardware/software purchases & other resources for geoweb #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:07pm @re_sieber Is it possible these colleagues think teaching geoweb isn’t important precisely _because_ it changes so fast? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:09pm @Fischbob thks for joining. Tech can b considerably expensive, also for TAs. U can attest to need 4 TAs &instructional support. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:10pm @re_sieber Is the tech requirement of teaching geoweb any different from teaching state-of-the-art GIS? Both need new-ish PCs… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:11pm @re_sieber …but teaching geoweb vs teaching GIS means you can save on software licenses #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:11pm Intg pt @mappingmashups, only once material is settled does it approach theory & then is approp for teaching in #geowebchat

@bricker 12:11pm @mappingmashups cost may even be lower since the software is less expensive than you know who… #geowebchat

@Fischbob 12:12pm @re_sieber Instructional support is vital. Like GIS, geoweb instruction requires a lot of hands-on teaching and learning. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:13pm @Fischbob @re_sieber Yes, even if tech costs aren’t much different, teaching geoweb (well) needs much more TA time #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:14pm @mappingmashups W initiatives lke charging for Google App Engine &higher bandwidth access APIs, plus hardware, still wont b free #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:15pm @mappingmashups @Fischbob Courses may resemble compsci more than GIS in geog. Compsci has hist of more TAs than geog #geowebchat

@bricker 12:17pm @re_sieber what have you experienced with your colleagues? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:17pm In Geog, we also have to convince 2 audiences of colleagues: physical geog & human geog. Ea has diff views of geoweb #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:17pm Hello #geowebchat! Yes, this shit is hard to teach! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:19pm @bricker They think geoweb is ab theory, a survey course. No need to teach tech, whether like GIS or lk @floating_sheep #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:20pm @mappingmashups Hey now, don’t forget those of us without TAs. We’re working even harder to stay up / catch up. #geowechat #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:20pm @re_sieber @bricker Any class on #geoweb HAS to be a lab, or treated like one. #geowebchat #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:21pm Aha, double hashtag madness again. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:22pm @AndrewShears @mappingmashups : @fishbob can tell you how hard these courses r wo TAs. U need scale back or teach mult courses #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:23pm I know one thing I talked with @re_sieber about was that teaching #geoweb is about tech adaptability more than single platform. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:24pm …basically, prep students to adapt to changing technologies and using them for inquiry.
#geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:25pm @AndrewShears Geoweb is ab a new way of thinking: call it integrative skills (interoperability intelligence?) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:25pm Was impressed to hear on @hotosm list (via @mikel) that George Washington U teaches OSM in class, & students are graded on edits #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:25pm What would #Geoweb 101 entail? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:27pm @re_sieber Interoperability intelligence (plus basic tech skills) and spatial theory to inform decisions. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:28pm @mappingmashups @hotosm @mikel Is OSM at GWU Geoweb101 or GIS using OSM? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:29pm @mappingmashups I do OSM in intro to GIS. I try to expose them to many platforms (bc of “interoperability intelligence” goal) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:30pm Think we’re dancing ar problem of convincing our colleagues of importance of teaching this new tech #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:31pm @re_sieber Well, the best luck I’ve had with it is demonstration. Have students present #geoweb-ish projects to school. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:32pm Projects here have been more DIY mapping than geoweb, but when students show & tell everyone what all they did… speaks loudly #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:32pm I’m hoping at @mansfieldU to have some geoweb hackathons once I get established. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:33pm How do we convince the geomorphologist that we need TAs for our small courses? It’s ok that they resemble CompSci? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:34pm @re_sieber Work with the geomorph to do a geoweb project on their area of interest. Worked here with a geologist! #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:35pm Are folks teaching behavior i.e. Search, mash-up, publish? Or are they teaching technology i.e. D3, Mapbox, Arcmap? #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:35pm @mappingmashups @re_sieber not sure geoweb is a REPLACEMENT for proprietary GIS software… yet #geowebchat.

@re_sieber 12:36pm @AndrewShears I had same problem when teaching GIS. Licenses were expensive, TAs were needed along w many lab hours #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:37pm Binary? RT @mizmay: @mappingmashups @re_sieber not sure geoweb is a REPLACEMENT for proprietary GIS software… yet #geowebchat.

@mappingmashups 12:37pm @mizmay @re_sieber Not saying it is, (yet). But any decently-equipped geog dept should have the tech to teach geoweb _and_ GIS #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:37pm @mappingmashups @re_sieber @bricker does geoweb have the potential to liberate minds from mindset of “ArcGIS technician”? #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:38pm @michael_d_gould @mappingmashups @re_sieber @bricker only saves money if it is “binary” ie a replacement #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:39pm @michael_d_gould I think geoweb course is 2 types: tech heavy and social theory heavy. Tech ver probab focuses too much on tools #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:39pm Absolutely. It did me! MT @mizmay @mappingmashups @re_sieber @bricker can geoweb liberate mindset of “ArcGIS technician”? #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:40pm @michael_d_gould much easier to teach technology, since most GIS ed requires minimal prog experience… I wish behavior #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:41pm @re_sieber @michael_d_gould I could see intro geoweb class combine basic tech + soc theory, advanced courses more specialized #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:41pm Desktop GIS world is merging w geoweb tech already. No need to pretend one is starting a revolution. #justsayin #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:41pm @AndrewShears @mappingmashups @mizmay Yes. We need more geospatial analysis/viz/big data/sm data courses #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:42pm @re_sieber @michael_d_gould Can same be said for GIS courses? The social theory GIS courses seem rare. #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:42pm @re_sieber intro CS classes get away with minimal TAs by requiring students to provide working demos/code, credit if it runs #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:42pm @michael_d_gould Isn’t GIS world merging with geoweb tech out of necessity, to maintain relevance? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:43pm The challenge indeed is todays topic: how to convince paleoprofs to change gears and teach geoweb tech. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:43pm @michael_d_gould Merger of geoweb&GIS allows for a rethink of how we teach geospatial thinking & data handling #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:44pm @michael_d_gould I mean, ArcGiIS.com is about as half-baked as it comes. That’d be embarrassing to a geowebber. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:45pm @michael_d_gould #paleogeo profs are now used to GIS, though some still chafe @ resource reqs. Geoweb is diff animal #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:45pm @mizmay saves money? How did that suddenly sneak in there? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:45pm @michael_d_gould forgive my crummy link. #FatFingers #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:45pm @michael_d_gould geoweb does not have all that desktop gis does for phys geo, problem of bandwidth, lack of sophistication too. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:45pm No RT @AndrewShears: @michael_d_gould Isn’t GIS world merging with geoweb tech out of necessity, to maintain relevance? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:46pm Because tech is changung and users demand it RT @AndrewShears: @michael_d_gould Isn’t GIS world merging with geoweb tech #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 12:47pm @re_sieber so need new profs for geoweb? Or retrain old dogs? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:47pm @michael_d_gould I think we’re actually agreeing there… GIS incorporating geoweb to maintain relevance to users. :-) #geowebchat

@jeremy_morley 12:48pm I’ve taught a “Geospatial Information Services” module for 2yrs now based on #OSGeo Live. Good stack. Lots of tech to teach tho. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:49pm @mizmay I wonder if that’s partially interest-based… geoweb folk seem more interested in human than phys #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:49pm @re_sieber @michael_d_gould A real opportunity for geoweb MT @mappingmashups The social theory GIS courses seem rare #geowebchat

@jeremy_morley 12:50pm The issue is that to teach to a decent level of understanding the guts of #geoweb there’s stacks of foundation to get thru #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:51pm @michael_d_gould Bc I’m an old GIS dog I think we need to retrain olds & bring in new, bc geoweb is new way of thinking ab geo #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:51pm @jeremy_morley Agreed, though I think it’d be possible in a 4-5 credit lab section to get a good understanding out there #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:51pm @AndrewShears @mizmay Or geoweb folk are more comfortable with VGI about messy human data than citsci about physical phenomena? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:52pm @jeremy_morley The fundamentals of the stack are important & a big hurdle for Geweob101 #geowebchat

@mizmay 12:52pm @AndrewShears I personally do my phys geo on the desktop as geoweb doesn’t add anything, whereas for hum geo, it does #geowebchat

@jeremy_morley 12:53pm So how much XML, HTML, CSS, JS, SQL, JSON, AJAX, etc., does a student need? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:54pm All of it. :-D RT @jeremy_morley: So how much XML, HTML, CSS, JS, SQL, JSON, AJAX, etc., does a student need? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:55pm @mizmay Me too, but I’ve honestly never thought about why… #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:56pm I think one approach to getting #geoweb accepted by colleagues is to show how empowering the tech can be. #geowebchat

@jeremy_morley 12:57pm Has anyone seen the 5 days we do for the #Girona open source summer school? Material is online at #SIGTE. #geowebchat //cc @lluisvicens

@re_sieber 12:57pm @mizmay @AndrewShears Precisely. Phys geog is ab analysis (although more #bigdata & crowdsourcing). Hum geog susceptible 2VGI #geowebchat

@SterlingGIS 12:57pm @jeremy_morley Enough to be able to handle whatever new acronym/tech comes up in the future… #geowebchat

@joncinnamon 12:58pm does anyone teach a super basic geoweb course, like ‘intro to digital mapping’ with no coding or advanced skills required? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:58pm Few minutes left for #geowebchat. Any last thoughts?

@jeremy_morley 12:59pm Yes, @AndrewShears – especially as a means of dissemination & impact. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:59pm @jeremy_morley Unfortunately, I think the answer is one that moves based on indiv need. I don’t learn language until needed. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 1:00pm I think @jeremy_morley hit on something here: geowebber needs so indiv+changing, there isn’t a single skill set for languages. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:00pm We still have a huge hurdle for convincing our colleagues to accept geoweb. @AndrewShears has best idea: get to them thru demos #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 1:01pm @re_sieber yes, agree that retraining is necessary. But there seems to be an implied philosphy chg also. ? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 1:01pm Our biggest barrier is standards. We can’t list skills to be taught by language, software. We have to be too general for many. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:01pm Propagate geoweb: get to our colleagues thru their students #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:02pm @michael_d_gould Geoweb reqs a philosophy change. And that’s a good way to end this #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:03pm Thanks everyone for a great #geowebchat. Be sure to visit the geowebwiki!

@jeremy_morley 1:04pm Another area that should IMO be part of #geoweb teaching is HCI / human factors issues. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 1:04pm I still think geobehaviors shd be focus. Ex: mobility, not mobile apps. What does it mean 2b mobile? How to engance it? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:04pm Thanks @re_sieber for guest-hosting today! Next chat is in two weeks, May 21: “CyberGIS vs Geoweb” hosted by @agaleszczynski. #geowebchat

@JeremyCrampton 1:05pm @kyjts @joncinnamon @wilsonism teach a class entitled (coincidentally!) “Digital Mapping” @ukgeog geography.as.uky.edu/courses/digita… … #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:05pm Definitely add your thoughts to the #geowebwiki: geoweb.andrewshears.com/index.php?titl…. Help make it a source for #geoweb101 teaching mat’ls. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:06pm Don’t forget: add the #geowebchat feed to your calendar program and see all the upcoming chats: webcal://bit.ly/geowebchatcal

@michael_d_gould 1:09pm @re_sieber to change philosophy & behavior we need solid argumentation not just free + cool demos! #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould 1:12pm @re_sieber thanks all, for another great #geowebchat . Lots of potential change 4 better out there.

@joncinnamon 1:12pm Great! its important to remember the power of the geoweb is in its broad accessibility @JeremyCrampton @kyjts @wilsonism @ukgeog #geowebchat

@wilsonism 1:29pm @joncinnamon check out our class hashtag: #digimap #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:55pm We need a list of class hashtags. Add @re_sieber’s #neogeoweb RT @wilsonism: @joncinnamon check out our class hashtag: #digimap #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:56pm Now maybe I’ll rem to login! RT @mappingmashups Don’t forget: add the #geowebchat feed to your calendar webcal://bit.ly/geowebchatcal

@mikel 2:15pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups it’s the intermediate GIS class using OSM. they’ve done @hotosm work with @RBanick lately #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 2:21pm Geoweb wiki? RT @mappingmashups We need a list of class hashtags. Add @re_sieber’s #neogeoweb @wilsonism  @joncinnamon #digimap #geowebchat

@mhaklay 3:00pm @jeremy_morley HCI/ergon/HF should be part of any geo teaching? Or have we just lost hope in general geo usability? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 5:59pm .@AndrewShears @joncinnamon #geowebwiki geoweb.andrewshears.com/index.php?titl… & geoweb.andrewshears.com/index.php?titl… @re_sieber @wilsonism @JeremyCrampton #geowebchat