#geowebchat transcript, 18 November 2014: Diversity on the geoweb part 2


@mappingmashups Nov 18, 10:41am Today on #geowebchat (special time: 2pm PST 5pm EST) part 2 of our diversity discussion: mappingmashups.net/2014/11/04/geo… Everyone welcome!

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 2:01pm I’m here! #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:05pm Is it time to begin? @JessiBreen @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:05pm Welcome to #geowebchat everyone! This special time is throwing me off, too!

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:06pm Every time is special with #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:06pm Last time on #geowebchat we had @alogicalfallacy and @JessiBreen lead a chat about diversity of geoweb research: mappingmashups.net/2014/11/04/geo…

@erictheise Nov 18, 2:06pm more distracted than usual today (prepping for a @gisday talk tomorrow) but keeping an eye on #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:07pm In the prev #geowebchat we talked about gender balance in #geoweb research, but this time we wanted to talk about other kinds of difference.

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:07pm @mappingmashups Hi all! First time on #geowebchat (although I read transcripts occasionally)

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:08pm Joining #geowebchat re diversity – part 2

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:10pm I hope this #geowebchat silence is indicative of ppl reading last time’s transcript! But even if you haven’t read it, please join in!

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:11pm It’s also a hard topic to broach, so perhaps I can begin with a sincere, but necessarily problematic, question: #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:11pm I’ve scanned through the diversity part 1 transcript – really interesting convo! #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:11pm Quite honestly, is there anyone who doesn’t identify as white participating in #geowebchat today?

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:13pm @mappingmashups
I notice things like what3words.com that are offered as global solutions often very west/English focus #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:13pm @alogicalfallacy I am pretty much the eternal unicorn in these kinds of discussions – queer, indigenous, female-id’d #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:13pm 1 #geowebchat Q: does focus on improving gender balance make space for other diversity efforts? Can one kind of diversity stand in for all?

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:14pm @ZDFrieda @alogicalfallacy Welcome unicorn! #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Nov 18, 2:15pm @bondaharper Yes, and here’s a solution that uses numbers. Much more universal: quickfindnumbers.com/get-your-quick… #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:15pm @mappingmashups diversity begets diversity. Supportive environments (like Maptime!) seem to be more diverse than formal groups #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:16pm I admire pipeline orgs diversifying tech along many diff lines & would <3 if GIS/mapping communities had similar initiatives #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:16pm @bondaharper @mappingmashups Maptime also has a lower barrier for entry (just showing up) than, say, a lot of research labs. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:17pm @ZDFrieda Do you see any immediate openings as to how? I’m unfamiliar with pipeline orgs. #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:18pm Maptime is great! As w/other areas of tech, tho, imho diversity really begins with *who* is in the founder’s group/convos #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:18pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups good point. I think low barrier of entry is good for building interest (just not for hiring) #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:20pm @bondaharper @mappingmashups I’d agree! And you also have to start somewhere. I also agree with @ZDFrieda that it’s abt framers #geowebchat

@mapperz Nov 18, 2:20pm @mappingmashups 50/50 in GIS at work #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:20pm @alogicalfallacy Pipeline orgs like @BlackGirlsCode develop tech with/for marginalized communities as part of their core mission #geowebchat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:21pm #geowebchat where you hold meetings and how you spread the word also matters for diversity in events.

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:21pm @mappingmashups #GeoWebChat Was there any chat last time about ‘other than grass roots’ ways to encourage different diversities in Geo?

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:22pm @mapperz 50/50 gender balance? #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:22pm @BobGradeck yes! I have found transit accessible helps a lot to get a more diverse group (both economic and race) #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:22pm @AngharadStone @mappingmashups Not that I recall, can you expand on ‘other than grass roots’? #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:22pm @alogicalfallacy Nope but I am female (do I get a point?!) #GeoWebChat

@erictheise Nov 18, 2:24pm worth mentioning, @ZDFrieda, is conference outreach via travel scholarships, e.g., @sotmus & @foss4g (particularly @RhoBott) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:24pm @mapperz Does your workplace have any initiatives in place that resulted in successful workplace diversity? Or was it luck? #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:24pm Agreed, @BobGradeck! Hack/maker spaces for women and people of color in/near SF are also great spaces for + diversity at events #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:26pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups Grass roots – Early interest (school years) have a high impact on life/career choices later #GeoWebChat

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:27pm clearly my preoccupation, but how GIS is taught in higher ed (labs, examples, projects) seems like a place for intervention #geowebchat

@mapperz Nov 18, 2:27pm @mappingmashups it works & diversity in Canada is widely known & work has good diversity across the company #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:28pm @avatarr8 Makes sense to me. Seems like a good chance to engage people from different cultures via what projects/data are used. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:29pm The M.S. @bricker and I run is fairly imbalanced this year. I’m hopeful for it to get better, but I worry that level is too late #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:29pm It’s also worth noting ‘geoweb’ is an english term; our conversations are in english; our tech is, etc… #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:30pm @avatarr8 I would change that engagement is needed earlier than higher ed – engage the possibilities of geog and it #GeoWebChat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:31pm @AngharadStone @avatarr8 This parallels some conversation from last time – for many of us, we discovered ‘geoweb’ in higher ed #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:32pm @avatarr8 @bondaharper yes, the entire K-grad education system seems ripe for reform re diversity in STEM related subjects #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:32pm I JUST wrote a blog post on this (bit.ly/geo-edu), but academia could be more honest about the field and prepare better. #geowebchat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:32pm @ZDFrieda #geowebchat holding events in marginalized communities a great way to get people out of their comfort zone

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:33pm @AngharadStone for sure! at all levels! we have a lot more autonomy at the university level though #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:33pm @ZDFrieda @avatarr8 @bondaharper sorry what is K-grad? #GeoWebChat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:33pm @alogicalfallacy @AngharadStone @avatarr8 This approach might exclude those who have higher challenges in accessing higher ed #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:33pm Some folks in #maptime have been talking about economics, how we ask attendees to bring laptops, does that leave people out? #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:34pm @AngharadStone @avatarr8 @bondaharper Shorthand for kindergarden through grad school #geowebchat

@erictheise Nov 18, 2:34pm think we’re okay on ‘geoweb’, @alogicalfallacy. #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/eBQAWs2YpB

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:35pm .@alogicalfallacy Right, English is the lingua franca in the tech world _and_ in academia. And, mostly, in #maptime… so far. #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:36pm @lyzidiamond yes. especially younger people I imagine. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:36pm .@alogicalfallacy Although some of our best geoweb scholars (say, @Geodoc31 for example) work in other languages too. #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:37pm @lyzidiamond I would say so – Android mapping might be easier in terms of device access for marginalized folks #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:37pm .@ZDFrieda Or, we could host #maptime events in public libraries! #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:39pm @mappingmashups @alogicalfallacy I do see a lot of resources for thing like QGIS in other languages, but not so much web/server #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:40pm As an aside while we’re talking about English dominance on #geowebchat, a link to the Simple English @Wikipedia: simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:40pm Without trying to sound like a curmudgeon, I’m a hesitant to embrace @lyzidiamond’s seeming espousal of “Maptime” as solution. #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:40pm @alogicalfallacy A solution to what? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:42pm @lyzidiamond Blog post suggests bringing into classrom, tweets today tout it, etc. It’s cool, you promote it. I’m more hesitant. #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:42pm @alogicalfallacy Have you ever been? What are your qualms? #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:43pm @avatarr8 @lyzidiamond I think encouraging sharing laptops helps. Also use of whiteboards is great for collaboration #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:44pm @alogicalfallacy @lyzidiamond agreed, do map workshops in schools and already have 14yr olds telling me they “can’t do maps” #GeoWebChat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:44pm @sadbumblebee @ZDFrieda This is a common thing we talk about in @codeforamerica, particularly reaching vulnerable populations #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:44pm curious if those who’ve been at this longer see change in people mapping w/tech moves online (away from expensive GIS licenses?) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:45pm RT @drewdaraabrams: I assume a whole lot of OSM work happens in German and I’m completely unaware of it #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Nov 18, 2:45pm Ensure labels in other languages aren’t empty boxes by using a typeface that supports many character sets #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/hO9OneQjGm

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:46pm @mappingmashups @drewdaraabrams It does. I was just looking for some german colleague’s twitter accounts. Couldn’t find them sad #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:47pm @avatarr8 Strangely no, most FOSS things I have been to are VERY white male dominated “bedroom” programmers #GeoWebChat

@Taconic_Musings Nov 18, 2:47pm @AngharadStone @alogicalfallacy @lyzidiamond the Finnish apparently agree with @lyzidiamond #GeoWebChat innovativelearning.co.uk/2014/11/11/fin…

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:48pm @Taconic_Musings @AngharadStone @lyzidiamond @lyzidiamond Who would disagree with that? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:48pm @AngharadStone @avatarr8 But as @bondaharper points out, many of those FOSS nerds are working in other languages. #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:48pm @avatarr8 definitely on economic side. I’ve seen students with few resources put together impressive apps/web tools. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:49pm @lyzidiamond No qualms, it’s great. I’m simply not ready to promote it as a fix to endemic, structural issues. #geowebchat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:49pm #geowebchat curious to know what technology or approaches are best for visually impaired.

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:49pm @AngharadStone interesting. I know 1 critique of things like PPGIS was always how expensive/inaccessible the tech was. #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:50pm Diversities mentioned so far – gender, age, economic, education, language, abilism – race hasn’t featured very much in #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:51pm @Taconic_Musings @alogicalfallacy @lyzidiamond I am thrill that UK edu now has demonstration of GIS in learning age 11 to 18 #GeoWebChat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:51pm @BobGradeck Very good question. @accessgeo and I talked about that a few times at @MaptimeSF. Need maps be inherently visual? #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:51pm @BobGradeck for getting those groups interested in geo or to serve them better? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:51pm @ZDFrieda It’s a difficult topic to tackle. I tried to prompt it earlier, but drifted away #elephantintheroom #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Nov 18, 2:52pm @BobGradeck a friend of mine runs a lab at UMaine researching geo-tech for blind and visually impaired: vemilab.us #geowebchat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:53pm @alogicalfallacy @lyzidiamond those approaches can help open eyes to value of different models and organize those seeking change #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:53pm Where is @JessiBreen by the way? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 2:54pm @alogicalfallacy I’m right here! #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:54pm @alogicalfallacy @ZDFrieda @mappingmashups While we are talking about difference – it’s the middle of night over here! #GeoWebChat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:54pm @bondaharper serve them better. Have a friend I’d like to work with more effectively but he is losing his vision #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:55pm @alogicalfallacy @ZDFrieda I think mentors from a similar background help a lot to engage various races/cultures #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 2:55pm @AngharadStone @alogicalfallacy @ZDFrieda @mappingmashups My fault! I have class during the regular time. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:56pm @bondaharper @ZDFrieda I’d agree – but how do you find the mentors? It’s a chicken and egg thing in some sense. :( #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:56pm @ZDFrieda mhm. where I was starting to go with PPGIS. lots of maps of communities of color being made. produced from/by them? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:57pm @BobGradeck @bondaharper I have been recently *looking* at Braille maps, but I know very little about them. Intriguing quesiton #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Nov 18, 2:58pm I just had a question about metric units in QGIS. Someone wants to know if there’s a QGIS with imperial units #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:58pm We’re approaching 3 pm PST, by the by. I’ll be around for a bit more, though. Have to finish this beer. #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:59pm @alogicalfallacy @ZDFrieda also, my view may be skewed coming from a big/multicultural city. Harder in small cities #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:59pm .@alogicalfallacy Yup, we’re getting close to the end of this #geowebchat. But certainly not the last time we’ll engage with this topic.

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 3:00pm @bondaharper @ZDFrieda Completely. Most of my students are first-gen college, but mostly white and male. Small city #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 3:01pm Maybe next diversity #geowebchat we can invite women/POC/LGBTQ centered pipeline orgs in to join us before it begins :)

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:01pm I’m open to suggestions for best way to continue our #geowebchat diversity chat. What framing is most useful? How should we ask these Qs?

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 3:01pm @ZDFriedaThat would be awesome! #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 3:02pm I’m off to the bike shop. Great #geowebchat!

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 3:03pm @mappingmashups Honestly, the ability to have more than 140 characters would make me really happy. :D #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:03pm @ZDFrieda Absolutely. I am usually quite bad about pre-inviting relevant people to most of our topics. :( #geowebchat

@kerynnisa Nov 18, 3:03pm @alogicalfallacy I’m Southeast Asian (so I guess I’m brown?). Was introduced to GIS by a white prof back home… #geowebchat (1/2)

@bondaharper Nov 18, 3:03pm @PetersonGIS sounds like they come from a CAD background. I’ve got 2 icons for AutoCAD (imperial and metric) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:04pm .@alogicalfallacy Yes, twitter is not ideal for these discussions. Where should this conversation happen? Where can we redirect? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:06pm Also, for the next #geowebchat (Dec 2) we will switch back to regular time 12pm (PST), which is better for Europe & West Africa. Sorry Asia.

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 3:07pm @mappingmashups @alogicalfallacy I agree 140 char is not good BUT I would never have found #GeoWebChat if wasn’t on Twitter

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 3:07pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups more like 129 #geowebchat takes ups 11 already.

@spara Nov 18, 3:08pm @mappingmashups There’s a general lack of diversity of map topics, most seem to come from public data. No microlevel studies #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:10pm .@opendna @alogicalfallacy There is a geoweb @zotero group! zotero.org/groups/geoweb/ Has lots of critical/social stuff in there. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:12pm For longer-form geoweb discussions, we could use the geoweb-r mailing list: groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/… #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 3:12pm @AngharadStone @mappingmashups Perhaps it’s just my tendency towards ponderously long sentences that makes 140 chars so daunting #geowebchat

@freyfogle Nov 18, 3:20pm @bondaharper @mappingmashups not to jump in, but w3w is available in 20+ languages including many non-Western languages #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 3:20pm #GeoWebChat Right I’m off to bed – Happy #GISDay everyone!

@prestonrhea Nov 18, 3:21pm @lyzidiamond @sadbumblebee @ZDFrieda @codeforamerica try this cool #discotech exercise secure.flickr.com/photos/preston… by @geoffhing #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:30pm Ouch! MT @JeremyCrampton: Eval by grad student 2 yrs ago. [...] It’s unflattering <gulp> but what we hear pic.twitter.com/PsZX3vtW9r #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 5:23pm RT @OpenCCE: This is a question to raise at #Tchat tomorrow, 7pm! @geog_design @mapperz #Tchat @WPDiversity #DiversityIsStrength #geowebchat

@aimandel Nov 18, 10:39pm @PetersonGIS Any particular Imperial? 1.Project Properties has Feet, Nautical Miles, 2.#QGIS measures in set CRS/SRS/Proj units #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 20, 1:36pm #geowebchat in re: diversity in geoweb, @AustinSeraphin @jamestyack make the point that visualizations should include text for vis impaired

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#geowebchat transcript, 4 November 2014: Diversity of those studying and doing the Geoweb


@mappingmashups Nov 04, 8:23am Today on #geowebchat: Diversity and the Geoweb, with @JessiBreen & @alogicalfallacy: mappingmashups.net/2014/10/31/nex… Special time: 2pm PST, 5pm EST

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 1:44pm Sprinting to West Sixth ahead of the start of #geowebchat!

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 1:53pm @JessiBreen Well, if you’re going to be at West Sixth… I’m heading to the Swiss. Let’s do this. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:01pm It’s 2:00. Should I or @JessiBreen say a few things to start this out? I’m actually most interested in what other have to say #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:02pm Hit it, @alogicalfallacy! #geowebchat

@erictheise Nov 04, 2:03pm i’d welcome some introductory remarks, @JessiBreen & @alogicalfallacy. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:03pm I suppose, I really just wanted to bring into the open that as much as we must (and are) aware of gaps in data, there’s also … #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:04pm Issues with *who* is studying this and what that entails for what questions are asked and how we ask them. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:04pm It can be hard – as a big white dude form the suburbs – to ask this question without devolving into that useless ‘hand-wringing’ #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:05pm I’m hoping we can generate a discussion on how we can avoid exclusion in the field and encourage multiple voices. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:05pm @JessiBreen – any thoughts to add? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:07pm .@alogicalfallacy Kind of a funny question, at least it is for me, since the “who” of the geoweb is so prominent in scholarship. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:07pm @JessiBreen Well, that’s what I mean. We talk about who constitutes the data, but not always about who does the research. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:09pm .@alogicalfallacy It’s honestly a topic I hadn’t really considered until you brought it up, but it seems obvious. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:11pm Yeah, I mean @geographiliac has done some (excellent) work on related topics. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:12pm So, who is here for #geowebchat?

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 2:13pm @JessiBreen @alogicalfallacy do you feel there are dimensions of geoweb limiting diversity beyond the bigger issues of tech #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:13pm Hi @JessiBreen and @alogicalfallacy I’m here in #geowebchat I just haven’t had anything useful to add yet

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:14pm .@avatarr8 That’s sort of the tricky question, right? I’m not sure I have any better answer than the folks at OSM offer. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:15pm @avatarr8 @JessiBreen That’s part of what bothers me – as we head towards ‘tech’ do we all become tech-bros? I’d prefer not. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:15pm I don’t feel like I’m being actively limited from the discussion on the geoweb, in fact quite the opposite. But… #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:15pm I do notice that there aren’t usually a whole lot of women around. At least not nearly as many as there are men. #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 2:17pm i know the context of the academic discipline of geography, where to me, it seems white men are steered towards computation #geowebchat …

@erictheise Nov 04, 2:17pm fashionable to bring up detroit geographical expedition (qub.me/oCWbpt) but does that model translate to geoweb? #geowebchat

@MapGoddess Nov 04, 2:18pm @JessiBreen *lurking* #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:18pm @erictheise or even some of the excellent work done in PPGIS in the past… #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:18pm @erictheise I have no idea how we would translate that to the geoweb, but I like it! #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 2:18pm ..and its assumed women and people of color will do more qualitative, ethnographic work. Though obviously not universally. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:20pm @avatarr8 I come from a very human department, so that’s not my personal experience, but that is what AAG looks like. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:21pm it sounds like a convergence of effects from the tech community’s gender exclusion and geography’s gendered division.. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:21pm are those two separate factors #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:22pm @_C_Davis It’s an interesting idea, certainly. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:22pm @_C_Davis So last GWC had a discussion on pragmatic vs. esoteric, applied vs. theory, etc. But, diversity issue present in both. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:23pm @JessiBreen do you see the same humaneness extend to undergrad’s headed to professional positions (not meant as loaded question) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:24pm @_C_Davis Not sure I understand the question. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:24pm @alogicalfallacy right, but i wonder if with two distinct factors there are multiple available strategies to intervene #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 2:25pm @JessiBreen At least in critical geoweb research, there are lots of important women publishing key works. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:25pm @JessiBreen you were saying that given the human geog focus of the dept, that you haven’t felt a channeling toward qual/eth work #geowebchat

@erictheise Nov 04, 2:26pm mobile tech should enable community data gathering, lead to action & research, @JessiBreen, subversive use for @AmigoCloud app #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:26pm @JessiBreen I wondered if that support for women in geoweb was as present for undergrads not headed toward academe #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:27pm @_C_Davis My perspective on the undergrads is skewed. I teach GIS. :) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 2:28pm @JessiBreen At risk of leaving some out: @re_sieber @agaleszczynski @geographiliac N. Schuurman, M-P Kwan, S. Elwood, W. Lin. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:29pm @JessiBreen =) fair. others, do we equally suggest to young women in our departments that they pursue prof geoweb positions? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:29pm In the MS program @bricker and I have, we have 4 students who aren’t white-men out of 16. Most are first gen college, though. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:29pm @mappingmashups I couldn’t pull up enough of their Twitter handles to do it justice. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:30pm @mappingmashups I think you’re well right about key figures, but I think there is a big gender gap amongst non-key figures #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:31pm @mappingmashups That’s the thing. I don’t see the geoweb field excluding women and minorities… #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:31pm @JessiBreen @mappingmashups Definitely not ‘exclude,’ but I do see a shift happening as we go more tech-y. #geowebchat

@BNKetti Nov 04, 2:31pm @MapGoddess @JessiBreen also lurking #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:31pm …There just aren’t an equality of numbers. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:32pm @JessiBreen @mappingmashups Not quite said right. I guess I just have a worry we get subsumed into larger SV cultural problems. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:33pm @_C_Davis @mappingmashups Right! I have excellent role models to look up to, but not a lot of colleagues at my level. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:34pm @_C_Davis @mappingmashups That was stated poorly, not a lot of colleagues at my level who aren’t white men. #geowebchat

@bricker Nov 04, 2:35pm #geowebchat this blog post is relevant to this discussion. replace GoPro with ArcGIS and Polaroid cube with mapbox? victoriakirst.com/?p=1852

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:37pm @bricker so, how do we ‘sell’ it better? #geowebchat

@hamhandedly Nov 04, 2:37pm I wonder if the gendered divide in some tech circles (boxing women into design rather than dev) is also happening in geoweb #geowebchat

@hamhandedly Nov 04, 2:38pm Oh and hey everybody #firsttimecallerlongtimelurker #geowebchat

@bricker Nov 04, 2:38pm @alogicalfallacy #geowebchat how was it sold to you? Or was it?

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 2:38pm @alogicalfallacy “Subsumed into SV cultural probs”.. you mean as demographics of geoweb research mirrors that of geoweb makers? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:39pm @hamhandedly That women work in crit GIS instead of more technical parts of the field? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:40pm @mappingmashups Sort of. Comes in part from discn at last GWC about shifting composition of GWC itself. who we are, what we do. #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 2:40pm Isn’t the future bright? At least you have goldieblox.com in the US. Start at the root. At uni level its too late #geowebchat

@hamhandedly Nov 04, 2:41pm @JessiBreen that and cartographic design #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:41pm @bricker I came from industry cuz I thought iPhones were neat and capitalism was bad. Not sure I was ‘sold’ geoweb specifically. #geowebchat

@bricker Nov 04, 2:41pm @alogicalfallacy #geowebchat @geographiliac work displayed how male “needs” are mapped. Frame how needs can be met with map to “sell” it.

@bricker Nov 04, 2:42pm @alogicalfallacy #geowebchat Did anyone grow up knowing they were going to be a geographer/geoweb person when they grew up?

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:42pm @eknalprev So it’s a larger problem of a shortage of women in STEM? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:43pm @bricker @CraigMDalton did. Just ask him. :) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:43pm @bricker @alogicalfallacy Ha! No. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:46pm @JessiBreen @bricker But seriously, we’re a relatively new sub-field/tribe/whatever, due to tech, etc. Why pertinent to ask now. #geowebchat

@bricker Nov 04, 2:46pm @eknalprev #geowebchat I don’t think university level is too late! (that’s when I found GIS! or GIS found me?) @frostburgstate

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:46pm @bricker which begs a question of who we recruit from where (intellectual domains) and also who/how we retain/promote/encourage #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:47pm @bricker Now you’ve got me picturing my colleagues as very nerdy children. Born geographers! :) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:48pm @bricker @alogicalfallacy Didn’t know I was a geographer until it was pointed out that what I studied wasn’t poli sci. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:48pm @bricker @eknalprev @frostburgstate We’ve talked a bit about this, so I’m setting @bricker up, but how were you ‘sold’ geoweb? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:50pm So, if it’s about how we ‘find’ geoweb, is that changing and does it matter if it does? #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 2:50pm @bricker @JessiBreen GIS is tech and geoweb follows the demographic of tech. I don’t see the niche 4 geo. #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 2:52pm wonder if as true in other disciplines/fields: planning and sciences that use a lot of GIS seem more diverse, but not as in to #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:52pm @eknalprev @bricker @JessiBreen What do you mean by “niche 4 geo?” #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 2:53pm @alogicalfallacy @bricker @JessiBreen whether geoweb has a different gender imbalance then elsewhere in tech. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:54pm @eknalprev @alogicalfallacy @bricker That’s an interesting question. I see a survey coming… #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:54pm @eknalprev @bricker @JessiBreen but GIS isn’t only tech; it’s tech and theory, which brings additional problems & interventions #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:56pm @_C_Davis @eknalprev @bricker But GIS is also gateway to maps! Is there research that liking maps as a kid is gendered? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:56pm Anyone with exciting final thoughts? I do like the idea of a survey @JessiBreen #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:57pm @foszterface #geowebchat with an @WestSixth IPA. It’s been nice!

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:58pm quick plug for AAG session looking at some of this: /Social Justice and GIS: Past, Present, and Future/ I can forward details #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:58pm @alogicalfallacy Uh oh. Did I just volunteer to do more work?!? @mattzook is gonna kill me. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 2:58pm @alogicalfallacy @JessiBreen There’s the research about sex diffs in spatial cognition, but not “liking maps as a kid” I think #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 2:58pm @_C_Davis geoweb & GIS have a whiff of coding/ modelling which apparently scares girls that did not grow up with goldiblox :) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:59pm @mappingmashups @alogicalfallacy I took GIS in grad school due to an unhealthy fascination with Nat Geo maps as a kid. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:59pm @eknalprev @_C_Davis Meh. Not sure I buy that. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:00pm @eknalprev @_C_Davis Geoweb & GIS have /been designed with/ a whiff of coding/modelling… #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 3:00pm interested that we talked mostly about gender (important!), w/out much on other forms of difference in geoweb. maybe for future #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:00pm @eknalprev @_C_Davis … which apparently scares girls /who have been told growing up to think that they’re not good at it/ #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 3:01pm @JessiBreen – any closing thoughts? #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 3:01pm @mappingmashups @eknalprev or encourages instructors not to give women their due support in pursuing them. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 3:01pm Well first off, thanks everyone! Including all you lurkers out there. :) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 3:02pm @avatarr8 I’ll take the blame there. Should have been more broad. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:02pm @avatarr8 Indeed. Lack of other kinds of diversity & difference is at least as bad in #geoweb making and geoweb research #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 3:02pm @avatarr8 next time? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 3:02pm @JessiBreen @avatarr8 I don’t think it’s ‘blame,’ just an interesting aspect. Can’t do everything in an hour. :) #geowebchat

@MapGoddess Nov 04, 3:03pm .#geowebchat plug for Feminist Geography Conference: venue for further discussion? www4.uwm.edu/letsci/confere…

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 3:03pm Geoweb! Woot! #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 3:03pm @mappingmashups right so. Despite good efforts we’re still fighting old fashioned role models. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:04pm @JessiBreen @alogicalfallacy Do we want to return to this topic at next #geowebchat? Maybe take on “diversity beyond gender” or something?

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 3:04pm @mappingmashups @alogicalfallacy We could do that! Ok, gotta go work on bikes! Thanks everybody! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:05pm Also, #geowebchat attendees, what do you think about this different time? Better for you? I know it’s getting late in Europe…

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 3:05pm thanks @JessiBreen and @alogicalfallacy for hosting #geowebchat !

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 3:05pm @JessiBreen fun! thanks for organizing! (and @alogicalfallacy) #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 3:06pm @mappingmashups Less good for me, but not prohibitive #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:06pm Yes, thanks so much to @alogicalfallacy and @JessiBreen for guest hosting! #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 3:06pm Thanks #geowebchat next time at the old time slot please this was way past my bed-time-zone :)

@erictheise Nov 04, 3:14pm prefer usual time, @mappingmashups; pavlovian thoughts of #geowebchat when sf’s air raid siren sounds, & lunchtime’s generally clear.

@agaleszczynski Nov 04, 11:06pm #geowebchat is at 10pm for me so too late to join in but my reflection is that this onus on counting how many women we have misses the point

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Next #geowebchat, Nov 4: Diversity of those studying and doing the Geoweb

Guest hosted by Jessi Breen (@jessibreen) and Jim Thatcher (@alogicalfallacy).

Special time: 2 pm PST, 5pm EST, 22:00 GMT, on Tuesday, November 4, 2014.

Diversity of those studying and doing the Geoweb

There has been much discussion recently on the limits of Geoweb data, on the gaps in knowledge that inherently arise in the production of digital data. Sometimes termed the ‘data divide,’ this is a topic well worth considering; however, today we’d like to discuss a simultaneous issue – Not who produces the Geoweb’s data, but who produces its infrastructure and the related knoweldges of it? This geowebchat is aimed at discussing issues of diversity in the study and production of the Geoweb and how that may influence what can be known through it. Where are the gaps and how might we fill them in? Is it our role to do so and, if so, how might we do it?

Join us on Twitter at the hashtag #geowebchat for one hour of discussion. Everyone is welcome to join the conversation or just follow along. For more information about #geowebchat, see here: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat

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#geowebchat transcript, 21 October 2014: #OpenSource, #OpenData, and accessibility


@mappingmashups Oct 20, 5:40pm Tomorrow on #geowebchat: Topic is #OpenSource, #OpenData, as well as “free” and accessible tools (often not the same thing). 12pm PT, Oct 21

@mapperz Oct 21, 9:46am @mappingmashups freegisdata.rtwilson.com lists #accessible GIS datasets updated 11th October 2014 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:00pm Welcome everybody to today’s #geowebchat. We’re talking about #OpenSource, #OpenData, and usability of mapping tools.

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:01pm As always, I suggest you try smthng like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along with #geowebchat, + include the hashtag in all your tweets

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:03pm We had an interesting internal convo w/ the #maptime organizers this weekend regarding #geowebchat’s topic. Is #OpenSource always best?

@skorasaurus Oct 21, 12:09pm I’ll start: suggesting very expensive software to someone who’s curious about GIS or maps isn’t very welcoming #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:10pm These days there are tools that are #OpenSource but cost money to use heavily online, like @Mapbox & @cartoDB… #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:11pm Compute time costs money, there’s no real way to avoid that… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:11pm …@cartoDB & @Mapbox are cheaper than ESRI tools for sure, but still too much for some #maptime users #geowebchat

@ElizaBettinger Oct 21, 12:12pm @skorasaurus When I tell novice faculty at my uni they can start w free tools that don’t req license, there is visible relief #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:12pm And if it’s “free” yr often paying w/ something else.. RT @alogicalfallacy: Compute time costs money, no real way to avoid that #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Oct 21, 12:12pm my exp. w/ carto. is atypical; started as broke non-student, if #tilemill & #qgis had been $, it would have been more difficult. #geowebchat

@ElizaBettinger Oct 21, 12:14pm @skorasaurus …part of the reason this surprises me is that we have campus ESRI license…but signing up is still barrier #geowebchat

@t_stallmann Oct 21, 12:14pm I try to teach that no tool is perfect & there’s a trade-off bxt “easy-then-hard” closed-source and “hard-then-easy” open-source #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 Oct 21, 12:14pm Working in local gov, it’s a challenge to even get folks to imagine something other than ESRI. For now, what works atm is best #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Oct 21, 12:15pm @mappingmashups true; often w/ time b/c docs aren’t great (if they exist); support non-dedicated. #geowebchat.

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:16pm As @alogicalfallacy points out, there’s no free lunch. Bygone days of free GoogleMaps were based on selling personal data, ads. #geowebchat

@counti8 Oct 21, 12:16pm my area is not maps, more public engagement tools like Shareabouts. But I think abt tools&nonprofits as @vpsn board member. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:18pm @wonderchook Yes! And I should clarify that desktop GIS like @qgis can be much cheaper than web maps that need servers&hosting #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:18pm The “Free” vs. “open source” debate of the late ’90s may have gotten pedantic but raised important differences that still apply #geowebchat

@jr_m_ Oct 21, 12:20pm In my gov’t GIS job, there’s a few people using QGIS, especially with one-click installs and .gdb support #geowebchat

@counti8 Oct 21, 12:21pm I’m also interested in collabs btwn gov’s and non-profits as #opendata maintainers; extent to which #opensource enables? that. #geowebchat

@SterlingGIS Oct 21, 12:21pm @t_stallmann FOSS geo s-ware seems to be closing usability gap with proprietary. eg, Easy d-load page and installers on Win #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:21pm @drewdaraabrams “free software” vs “open source” was one of our earliest #geowebchat topics mappingmashups.net/2011/09/21/geo…. Good to revisit.

@lifewinning Oct 21, 12:22pm @mappingmashups yeah, cloud infra expands access to tools while making it really hard to make them “free” #geowebchat @wonderchook @qgis

@wonderchook Oct 21, 12:23pm @lifewinning @mappingmashups one of the reason that #inasafe moved from web to being a @qgis plugin was to avoid scaling issues #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:23pm @counti8 Or even collabs w/ for-profits as #opendata maintainers. Many of us have complex relationship w/ #OpenStreetMap forex. #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:23pm @mappingmashups ah. Given that #geowebchat has already discussed Free, libre, gratis, open, “open”… no need to open the vocab debate again

@t_stallmann Oct 21, 12:23pm @SterlingGIS Definitely! Tho I find interface on ArcGIS.com‘s free service easier to grok than CartoDB. Do others? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:24pm @drewdaraabrams I wouldn’t hesitate to reopen if there’s interest. Totally different audience today. #geowebchat

@mapperz Oct 21, 12:24pm There is more than one #opengis like openjump.org #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:26pm @lifewinning @mappingmashups @wonderchook CartoDB sets a great example, open-sourcing all their back-end services and glue #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:26pm @mapperz Yes, @qgis is not the only #FOSS #GIS, but it seems dominant today. Diversity of tools is also an #opensource advantage #geowebchat

@SterlingGIS Oct 21, 12:26pm Interesting to speculate how much a slick-looking UI contribs to users’ (or mgrs’) perceptions of FOSS quality (or any s-ware) #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:27pm @mappingmashups @mapperz One interesting note is that GIS use actually varies quite a bit geographically. #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 Oct 21, 12:29pm @t_stallmann @SterlingGIS I just finished the @esrimooc and learned that arcgis.com is surprisingly powerful/easy #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:32pm @mappingmashups @counti8 NYC gov’t apparently uses OSM changes as notifications to check their own data (but not direct import) #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Oct 21, 12:33pm @alogicalfallacy around the world people use cracked arcgis. #geowebchat

@hamhandedly Oct 21, 12:33pm From the #maptime slack the other day, academy often focuses too much on learning software pkgs rather than geog concepts #geowebchat

@lifewinning Oct 21, 12:33pm @drewdaraabrams though I don’t know anyone who’s actually compiled their own instance of cartodb… @mappingmashups @wonderchook #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:33pm I certainly agree with @mappingmashups about having a “complex relationship” with OSM community, license, tooling, etc. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:35pm @michael_d_gould Re: Cracked Arc, mostly yes. But you’ll find institutions using GRASS or even IDRISI due to lineages, etc. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:37pm @hamhandedly It’s true, but that’s also the academy’s biggest self-critique. They always talk about trying to teach concepts #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:38pm @lifewinning neither have I That said, CartoDB’s docs pass my interocular impact test Looks like more than a one-off code dump #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:38pm This may be true, too. #opensource #geowebchat RT @briantimoney: The future of GIS on the desktop isn’t DesktopGIS ™ #RStudio #IPython

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:39pm RT @andrewxhill: @lifewinning well, not knowing and not being any is quite different. there are quite a few #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:39pm @hamhandedly That’s simply untrue. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:40pm RT @wonderchook: @andrewxhill are there any that are public? Would be great to know about some! :) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:41pm RT @peterajohnson: @alogicalfallacy we def spend more time on concepts. College diploma programs do a good job w/soft pkgs #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:42pm @mappingmashups @peterajohnson Yes, exactly. The academy teaches (and creates) much more than ‘button pushing.’ #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:43pm @UWaterloo we have begun to discuss greater adoption of open source. Mirroring what we hear from many employers #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:44pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups getting beyond button pushing is the main topic of my 3rd year GIS class! Can be tough. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:45pm @peterajohnson A serious issue and a topic of some discussion at #critgis this weekend. Many students *want* ‘button-pushing’ #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Oct 21, 12:46pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups @peterajohnson and orientation of academic programs vary wildly #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:47pm used @PublicLab mapknitter for a course this year. We crashed their server – will try hosting ourselves next year. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:47pm The #maptime discussion this weekend made me think: maybe it’s okay if #maptime is _more_ tool-focussed than academia? #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Oct 21, 12:47pm @peterajohnson @alogicalfallacy That gets at looking at GIS instruction as a curriculum rather than a single course #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:48pm @mappingmashups Yes, why not? I’m uncertain what #maptime has specifically, but why just copy academia? Different spaces/voices. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:48pm #maptime should avoid locking people into only one tool (as academia does w/ ESRI) but if ppl want practical skills why not? #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Oct 21, 12:48pm @peterajohnson @alogicalfallacy an intro course might only need to be button pushing as an opening to concepts later #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:50pm @_C_Davis I try to make upper year courses more welcoming so students get the ‘curriculum’, not just buttons of the intro course #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:52pm @mappingmashups what, you don’t cover projections, coordinate systems in #maptime ? #geowebchat if tools will get people hooked…why not?

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:52pm @mappingmashups re: ‘locking in’ also depends on program. We’re teaching qgis, gdal, ipython, etc. right now… w/ @bricker #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Oct 21, 12:52pm Big concern for me is less tools and more quality/usefulness of (open) data. Students/others just mapping whatever they find #geowebchat

@BrookeEHarding Oct 21, 12:53pm @mappingmashups great point! As a recent grad I valued the extra organized time to work on specific skills with diverse tools. #geowebchat

@SeanGorman Oct 21, 12:53pm Would love to see the equivalent of nbviewer for sharing geo work or just more geo in nbviewer. Great learning tool #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:53pm @avatarr8 We’re in agreement there. Data, data, data – all day, er’ry day. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:54pm @peterajohnson Yes, we do cover coordinate systems at #maptime sometimes. For the pleasure of it! maptime.io/geodata/ #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:55pm @andrewxhill Props to @cartoDB! Many open-source companies keep their client-side GUIs private and hide key back-end glue #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:57pm @mappingmashups amazing! Good to know. I should pick your brain about #maptime #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:58pm @peterajohnson And that slide deck (like most of our best ones) was made by the inimitable @lyzidiamond #maptime #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:59pm Well, thanks everyone for an amazing #geowebchat! The transcript will be posted here mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ in a few days.

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:59pm Next #geowebchat is November 4th, special time: 2pm PT, 5pm ET. Guest hosted by @alogicalfallacy and @JessiBreen!

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 1:00pm @drewdaraabrams @andrewxhill @cartoDB agreed. Lots to like about cartoDB from an instructional perspective #geowebchat

@ElizaBettinger Oct 21, 1:08pm Can any #geowebchat -ers recommend a resource to help explain pros/cons of using FOSS base map data vs. closed to researchers in humanties?

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#geowebchat transcript, 7 October 2014: The geoweb and time


@mappingmashups Oct 05, 5:32pm Next #geowebchat topic: “The Geoweb and Time”, inspired by theme for #NACIS2014. Join us 12pm PDT, 3pm EDT, 20:00 BST, Tue Oct 7. Pls RT!

@TheMapSmith Oct 07, 5:06am Driving to #nacis2014 during #geowebchat, so heres a great article by @kennethfield about Esri’s carto-temporal tools blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi…

@kennethfield Oct 07, 5:39am Saves me tweeting it. Thanks :) MT @TheMapSmith #geowebchat, a great articleabout Esri’s carto-temporal tools blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi…

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 11:46am Relevant to Geoweb & Time: #geowebchat RT @mrogati: Your body doesn’t care about timezones jawbone.com/blog/circadian… pic.twitter.com/p9OLALvP2I

@maptimestl Oct 07, 11:50am Love maps? Get to know the hashtag #geowebchat – next discussion is “The Geoweb and Time” & starts in 10 minutes.

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:01pm Starting now on #geowebchat: Cartography and Time (specifically The Geoweb and Time). Special #NACIS2014-themed chat! How do _you_ map time?

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:02pm As usual with #geowebchat, make sure you include the hashtag in all your tweets. Try something like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:04pm A view min ago I posted this interesting @Jawbone viz about timezones & sleep. #geowebchat jawbone.com/blog/circadian… pic.twitter.com/p9OLALvP2I

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:06pm Interesting point #geowebchat MT @briantimoney: 2015 Year of Small Multiples pic.twitter.com/BI8PGhOzJE (very few use your time slider anyway)

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:06pm The @Jawbone viz is also an example of time on a static map. Now with the Geoweb animations are easier to do… #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:08pm where does “(very few use your time slider anyway)” come from @eleanortutt? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:08pm @eleanortutt @briantimoney Okay, we have our first #geowebchat prediction of 2015! Small Multiples! One my my faves: bost.ocks.org/mike/drought/

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:08pm (concerned as i am right now building something with a time slider) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:12pm @eleanortutt @briantimoney Now I realize that @mbostock drought example uses animation _and_ small multiples. But no slider! #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:12pm @erictheise Honestly not sure. That was all @briantimoney. I personally like time sliders, but his tweet was thought provoking. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:16pm One newish tool for mapping time on the web is @cartoDB’s torque. For example, this @GuardianData viz theguardian.com/news/datablog/… #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:17pm would want to back up that conjecture with data. actually i wonder if the stuff @geo_will is working on would vet that. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:17pm @erictheise Add a way to track slider use & prove him wrong! #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:18pm INSTRUMENT ALL THE THINGS! #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:22pm (what @geo_will is working on being sliptics.com) #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:26pm MT @briantimoney analytics of web maps: people know to click on points, some pan/zoom, less familiar elements very little #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:28pm Has anyone in this #geowebchat mapped historical data? Some projects like OpenHistoricalMap haven’t really taken off wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Hist…

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:29pm my #NACIS2014 talk is about 1950s-60s era signs built by an albuquerque company, @mappingmashups, slider shows when/where built #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:30pm interesting to see the dispersion grow from albuquerque route 66 outward over time, as far as arizona and colorado #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Oct 07, 12:31pm @mappingmashups I’ve created data for the history of U.S. westward expansion and European country boundaries on the eve of WWII. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:31pm So @erictheise talk sounds amazing. Also, mostly b/c of content, I’m a fan of this historic NYC plan map: urbanreviewer.org #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:32pm also to see reinforcement of certain sign-dense stretches of major thoroughfares #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:33pm talk will show a number of their working drawings for the signs, color pencil and ink, @eleanortutt, those are quite striking. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:34pm @mappingmashups Maybe part of challenge w/ historical maps is handling data sources w/ diff availabilities in diff years #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:35pm @mappingmashups i.e., I know a building existed in 1940 & didn’t in 1970 – but that’s all I know. So what do I map for 1955? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:36pm @eleanortutt Yes, or whoever assembled that data might make assumptions for you. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:37pm @mappingmashups To try & solve my own problem, I wonder if changes in layer opacity should be used more often…. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:38pm @eleanortutt Forex, was looking at this old @stamen proj hindsight.trulia.com/map/#lat=37.79… which has spike in 1900 (rounding err in data) #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:38pm remarkably deep spec for date/time w/fuzziness, @eleanortutt @mappingmashups, #EDTF, anyone know it? qub.me/c8fHIl #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:41pm @erictheise @mappingmashups Nope, but this could be helpful (or cause more pain). #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:42pm p.s. @geo_will confirms that sliptics would satisfy this use case (time slider usage by users) /cc @briantimoney #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:45pm learned about #EDTF in #geojsonld discussion , @sgillies’ project; few implementations, i gather, but thought thru @eleanortutt #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:47pm are your WWII maps online, @PetersonGIS? #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:51pm RT @sgillies @erictheise this too github.com/geojson/geojso… … #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Oct 07, 12:53pm @erictheise Sadly no. The map is published in “The Guide to U.S. Foreign Policy” by McMahon. #geowebchat

@kennethfield Oct 07, 12:53pm I wrote some stuff about mapping time blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi… inc stuff in my #nacis2014 talk #geowebchat

@kennethfield Oct 07, 12:55pm following earlier thread, we’ve done couple of historical maps for WWI arcgis.com/apps/MapJourna… & WWII arcgis-content.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapJourna… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 1:00pm Thanks to everyone who joined today’s #geowebchat about cartography and time. Now I’m off to #NACIS2014 where I hope to see many of you f2f!

@erictheise Oct 07, 1:01pm also hope to see/meet folks at #NACIS2014. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 1:01pm Next #geowebchat will be in two weeks, on October 21. Topic TBD.

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 1:02pm Thanks @mappingmashups for hosting #geowebchat – that was fun!

@geovis_isprs Oct 07, 2:41pm Check the hashtag #geowebchat for some interesting geo-related discussions. Too late for today but you can still read it!

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 2:51pm Thanks! All archived at mappingmashups.net/geowebchat RT @geovis_isprs: Check the hashtag #geowebchat for some interesting geo-related discussions.

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