#geowebchat transcript, 21 October 2014: #OpenSource, #OpenData, and accessibility


@mappingmashups Oct 20, 5:40pm Tomorrow on #geowebchat: Topic is #OpenSource, #OpenData, as well as “free” and accessible tools (often not the same thing). 12pm PT, Oct 21

@mapperz Oct 21, 9:46am @mappingmashups freegisdata.rtwilson.com lists #accessible GIS datasets updated 11th October 2014 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:00pm Welcome everybody to today’s #geowebchat. We’re talking about #OpenSource, #OpenData, and usability of mapping tools.

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:01pm As always, I suggest you try smthng like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along with #geowebchat, + include the hashtag in all your tweets

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:03pm We had an interesting internal convo w/ the #maptime organizers this weekend regarding #geowebchat’s topic. Is #OpenSource always best?

@skorasaurus Oct 21, 12:09pm I’ll start: suggesting very expensive software to someone who’s curious about GIS or maps isn’t very welcoming #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:10pm These days there are tools that are #OpenSource but cost money to use heavily online, like @Mapbox & @cartoDB… #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:11pm Compute time costs money, there’s no real way to avoid that… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:11pm …@cartoDB & @Mapbox are cheaper than ESRI tools for sure, but still too much for some #maptime users #geowebchat

@ElizaBettinger Oct 21, 12:12pm @skorasaurus When I tell novice faculty at my uni they can start w free tools that don’t req license, there is visible relief #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:12pm And if it’s “free” yr often paying w/ something else.. RT @alogicalfallacy: Compute time costs money, no real way to avoid that #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Oct 21, 12:12pm my exp. w/ carto. is atypical; started as broke non-student, if #tilemill & #qgis had been $, it would have been more difficult. #geowebchat

@ElizaBettinger Oct 21, 12:14pm @skorasaurus …part of the reason this surprises me is that we have campus ESRI license…but signing up is still barrier #geowebchat

@t_stallmann Oct 21, 12:14pm I try to teach that no tool is perfect & there’s a trade-off bxt “easy-then-hard” closed-source and “hard-then-easy” open-source #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 Oct 21, 12:14pm Working in local gov, it’s a challenge to even get folks to imagine something other than ESRI. For now, what works atm is best #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Oct 21, 12:15pm @mappingmashups true; often w/ time b/c docs aren’t great (if they exist); support non-dedicated. #geowebchat.

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:16pm As @alogicalfallacy points out, there’s no free lunch. Bygone days of free GoogleMaps were based on selling personal data, ads. #geowebchat

@counti8 Oct 21, 12:16pm my area is not maps, more public engagement tools like Shareabouts. But I think abt tools&nonprofits as @vpsn board member. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:18pm @wonderchook Yes! And I should clarify that desktop GIS like @qgis can be much cheaper than web maps that need servers&hosting #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:18pm The “Free” vs. “open source” debate of the late ’90s may have gotten pedantic but raised important differences that still apply #geowebchat

@jr_m_ Oct 21, 12:20pm In my gov’t GIS job, there’s a few people using QGIS, especially with one-click installs and .gdb support #geowebchat

@counti8 Oct 21, 12:21pm I’m also interested in collabs btwn gov’s and non-profits as #opendata maintainers; extent to which #opensource enables? that. #geowebchat

@SterlingGIS Oct 21, 12:21pm @t_stallmann FOSS geo s-ware seems to be closing usability gap with proprietary. eg, Easy d-load page and installers on Win #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:21pm @drewdaraabrams “free software” vs “open source” was one of our earliest #geowebchat topics mappingmashups.net/2011/09/21/geo…. Good to revisit.

@lifewinning Oct 21, 12:22pm @mappingmashups yeah, cloud infra expands access to tools while making it really hard to make them “free” #geowebchat @wonderchook @qgis

@wonderchook Oct 21, 12:23pm @lifewinning @mappingmashups one of the reason that #inasafe moved from web to being a @qgis plugin was to avoid scaling issues #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:23pm @counti8 Or even collabs w/ for-profits as #opendata maintainers. Many of us have complex relationship w/ #OpenStreetMap forex. #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:23pm @mappingmashups ah. Given that #geowebchat has already discussed Free, libre, gratis, open, “open”… no need to open the vocab debate again

@t_stallmann Oct 21, 12:23pm @SterlingGIS Definitely! Tho I find interface on ArcGIS.com‘s free service easier to grok than CartoDB. Do others? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:24pm @drewdaraabrams I wouldn’t hesitate to reopen if there’s interest. Totally different audience today. #geowebchat

@mapperz Oct 21, 12:24pm There is more than one #opengis like openjump.org #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:26pm @lifewinning @mappingmashups @wonderchook CartoDB sets a great example, open-sourcing all their back-end services and glue #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:26pm @mapperz Yes, @qgis is not the only #FOSS #GIS, but it seems dominant today. Diversity of tools is also an #opensource advantage #geowebchat

@SterlingGIS Oct 21, 12:26pm Interesting to speculate how much a slick-looking UI contribs to users’ (or mgrs’) perceptions of FOSS quality (or any s-ware) #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:27pm @mappingmashups @mapperz One interesting note is that GIS use actually varies quite a bit geographically. #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 Oct 21, 12:29pm @t_stallmann @SterlingGIS I just finished the @esrimooc and learned that arcgis.com is surprisingly powerful/easy #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:32pm @mappingmashups @counti8 NYC gov’t apparently uses OSM changes as notifications to check their own data (but not direct import) #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Oct 21, 12:33pm @alogicalfallacy around the world people use cracked arcgis. #geowebchat

@hamhandedly Oct 21, 12:33pm From the #maptime slack the other day, academy often focuses too much on learning software pkgs rather than geog concepts #geowebchat

@lifewinning Oct 21, 12:33pm @drewdaraabrams though I don’t know anyone who’s actually compiled their own instance of cartodb… @mappingmashups @wonderchook #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:33pm I certainly agree with @mappingmashups about having a “complex relationship” with OSM community, license, tooling, etc. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:35pm @michael_d_gould Re: Cracked Arc, mostly yes. But you’ll find institutions using GRASS or even IDRISI due to lineages, etc. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:37pm @hamhandedly It’s true, but that’s also the academy’s biggest self-critique. They always talk about trying to teach concepts #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:38pm @lifewinning neither have I That said, CartoDB’s docs pass my interocular impact test Looks like more than a one-off code dump #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:38pm This may be true, too. #opensource #geowebchat RT @briantimoney: The future of GIS on the desktop isn’t DesktopGIS ™ #RStudio #IPython

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:39pm RT @andrewxhill: @lifewinning well, not knowing and not being any is quite different. there are quite a few #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:39pm @hamhandedly That’s simply untrue. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:40pm RT @wonderchook: @andrewxhill are there any that are public? Would be great to know about some! :) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:41pm RT @peterajohnson: @alogicalfallacy we def spend more time on concepts. College diploma programs do a good job w/soft pkgs #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:42pm @mappingmashups @peterajohnson Yes, exactly. The academy teaches (and creates) much more than ‘button pushing.’ #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:43pm @UWaterloo we have begun to discuss greater adoption of open source. Mirroring what we hear from many employers #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:44pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups getting beyond button pushing is the main topic of my 3rd year GIS class! Can be tough. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:45pm @peterajohnson A serious issue and a topic of some discussion at #critgis this weekend. Many students *want* ‘button-pushing’ #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Oct 21, 12:46pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups @peterajohnson and orientation of academic programs vary wildly #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:47pm used @PublicLab mapknitter for a course this year. We crashed their server – will try hosting ourselves next year. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:47pm The #maptime discussion this weekend made me think: maybe it’s okay if #maptime is _more_ tool-focussed than academia? #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Oct 21, 12:47pm @peterajohnson @alogicalfallacy That gets at looking at GIS instruction as a curriculum rather than a single course #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:48pm @mappingmashups Yes, why not? I’m uncertain what #maptime has specifically, but why just copy academia? Different spaces/voices. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:48pm #maptime should avoid locking people into only one tool (as academia does w/ ESRI) but if ppl want practical skills why not? #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Oct 21, 12:48pm @peterajohnson @alogicalfallacy an intro course might only need to be button pushing as an opening to concepts later #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:50pm @_C_Davis I try to make upper year courses more welcoming so students get the ‘curriculum’, not just buttons of the intro course #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:52pm @mappingmashups what, you don’t cover projections, coordinate systems in #maptime ? #geowebchat if tools will get people hooked…why not?

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:52pm @mappingmashups re: ‘locking in’ also depends on program. We’re teaching qgis, gdal, ipython, etc. right now… w/ @bricker #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Oct 21, 12:52pm Big concern for me is less tools and more quality/usefulness of (open) data. Students/others just mapping whatever they find #geowebchat

@BrookeEHarding Oct 21, 12:53pm @mappingmashups great point! As a recent grad I valued the extra organized time to work on specific skills with diverse tools. #geowebchat

@SeanGorman Oct 21, 12:53pm Would love to see the equivalent of nbviewer for sharing geo work or just more geo in nbviewer. Great learning tool #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Oct 21, 12:53pm @avatarr8 We’re in agreement there. Data, data, data – all day, er’ry day. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:54pm @peterajohnson Yes, we do cover coordinate systems at #maptime sometimes. For the pleasure of it! maptime.io/geodata/ #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Oct 21, 12:55pm @andrewxhill Props to @cartoDB! Many open-source companies keep their client-side GUIs private and hide key back-end glue #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 12:57pm @mappingmashups amazing! Good to know. I should pick your brain about #maptime #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:58pm @peterajohnson And that slide deck (like most of our best ones) was made by the inimitable @lyzidiamond #maptime #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:59pm Well, thanks everyone for an amazing #geowebchat! The transcript will be posted here mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ in a few days.

@mappingmashups Oct 21, 12:59pm Next #geowebchat is November 4th, special time: 2pm PT, 5pm ET. Guest hosted by @alogicalfallacy and @JessiBreen!

@peterajohnson Oct 21, 1:00pm @drewdaraabrams @andrewxhill @cartoDB agreed. Lots to like about cartoDB from an instructional perspective #geowebchat

@ElizaBettinger Oct 21, 1:08pm Can any #geowebchat -ers recommend a resource to help explain pros/cons of using FOSS base map data vs. closed to researchers in humanties?

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#geowebchat transcript, 7 October 2014: The geoweb and time


@mappingmashups Oct 05, 5:32pm Next #geowebchat topic: “The Geoweb and Time”, inspired by theme for #NACIS2014. Join us 12pm PDT, 3pm EDT, 20:00 BST, Tue Oct 7. Pls RT!

@TheMapSmith Oct 07, 5:06am Driving to #nacis2014 during #geowebchat, so heres a great article by @kennethfield about Esri’s carto-temporal tools blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi…

@kennethfield Oct 07, 5:39am Saves me tweeting it. Thanks :) MT @TheMapSmith #geowebchat, a great articleabout Esri’s carto-temporal tools blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi…

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 11:46am Relevant to Geoweb & Time: #geowebchat RT @mrogati: Your body doesn’t care about timezones jawbone.com/blog/circadian… pic.twitter.com/p9OLALvP2I

@maptimestl Oct 07, 11:50am Love maps? Get to know the hashtag #geowebchat – next discussion is “The Geoweb and Time” & starts in 10 minutes.

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:01pm Starting now on #geowebchat: Cartography and Time (specifically The Geoweb and Time). Special #NACIS2014-themed chat! How do _you_ map time?

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:02pm As usual with #geowebchat, make sure you include the hashtag in all your tweets. Try something like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:04pm A view min ago I posted this interesting @Jawbone viz about timezones & sleep. #geowebchat jawbone.com/blog/circadian… pic.twitter.com/p9OLALvP2I

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:06pm Interesting point #geowebchat MT @briantimoney: 2015 Year of Small Multiples pic.twitter.com/BI8PGhOzJE (very few use your time slider anyway)

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:06pm The @Jawbone viz is also an example of time on a static map. Now with the Geoweb animations are easier to do… #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:08pm where does “(very few use your time slider anyway)” come from @eleanortutt? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:08pm @eleanortutt @briantimoney Okay, we have our first #geowebchat prediction of 2015! Small Multiples! One my my faves: bost.ocks.org/mike/drought/

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:08pm (concerned as i am right now building something with a time slider) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:12pm @eleanortutt @briantimoney Now I realize that @mbostock drought example uses animation _and_ small multiples. But no slider! #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:12pm @erictheise Honestly not sure. That was all @briantimoney. I personally like time sliders, but his tweet was thought provoking. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:16pm One newish tool for mapping time on the web is @cartoDB’s torque. For example, this @GuardianData viz theguardian.com/news/datablog/… #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:17pm would want to back up that conjecture with data. actually i wonder if the stuff @geo_will is working on would vet that. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:17pm @erictheise Add a way to track slider use & prove him wrong! #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:18pm INSTRUMENT ALL THE THINGS! #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:22pm (what @geo_will is working on being sliptics.com) #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:26pm MT @briantimoney analytics of web maps: people know to click on points, some pan/zoom, less familiar elements very little #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:28pm Has anyone in this #geowebchat mapped historical data? Some projects like OpenHistoricalMap haven’t really taken off wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Hist…

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:29pm my #NACIS2014 talk is about 1950s-60s era signs built by an albuquerque company, @mappingmashups, slider shows when/where built #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:30pm interesting to see the dispersion grow from albuquerque route 66 outward over time, as far as arizona and colorado #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Oct 07, 12:31pm @mappingmashups I’ve created data for the history of U.S. westward expansion and European country boundaries on the eve of WWII. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:31pm So @erictheise talk sounds amazing. Also, mostly b/c of content, I’m a fan of this historic NYC plan map: urbanreviewer.org #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:32pm also to see reinforcement of certain sign-dense stretches of major thoroughfares #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:33pm talk will show a number of their working drawings for the signs, color pencil and ink, @eleanortutt, those are quite striking. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:34pm @mappingmashups Maybe part of challenge w/ historical maps is handling data sources w/ diff availabilities in diff years #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:35pm @mappingmashups i.e., I know a building existed in 1940 & didn’t in 1970 – but that’s all I know. So what do I map for 1955? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:36pm @eleanortutt Yes, or whoever assembled that data might make assumptions for you. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:37pm @mappingmashups To try & solve my own problem, I wonder if changes in layer opacity should be used more often…. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:38pm @eleanortutt Forex, was looking at this old @stamen proj hindsight.trulia.com/map/#lat=37.79… which has spike in 1900 (rounding err in data) #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:38pm remarkably deep spec for date/time w/fuzziness, @eleanortutt @mappingmashups, #EDTF, anyone know it? qub.me/c8fHIl #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:41pm @erictheise @mappingmashups Nope, but this could be helpful (or cause more pain). #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:42pm p.s. @geo_will confirms that sliptics would satisfy this use case (time slider usage by users) /cc @briantimoney #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:45pm learned about #EDTF in #geojsonld discussion , @sgillies’ project; few implementations, i gather, but thought thru @eleanortutt #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:47pm are your WWII maps online, @PetersonGIS? #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:51pm RT @sgillies @erictheise this too github.com/geojson/geojso… … #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Oct 07, 12:53pm @erictheise Sadly no. The map is published in “The Guide to U.S. Foreign Policy” by McMahon. #geowebchat

@kennethfield Oct 07, 12:53pm I wrote some stuff about mapping time blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi… inc stuff in my #nacis2014 talk #geowebchat

@kennethfield Oct 07, 12:55pm following earlier thread, we’ve done couple of historical maps for WWI arcgis.com/apps/MapJourna… & WWII arcgis-content.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapJourna… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 1:00pm Thanks to everyone who joined today’s #geowebchat about cartography and time. Now I’m off to #NACIS2014 where I hope to see many of you f2f!

@erictheise Oct 07, 1:01pm also hope to see/meet folks at #NACIS2014. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 1:01pm Next #geowebchat will be in two weeks, on October 21. Topic TBD.

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 1:02pm Thanks @mappingmashups for hosting #geowebchat – that was fun!

@geovis_isprs Oct 07, 2:41pm Check the hashtag #geowebchat for some interesting geo-related discussions. Too late for today but you can still read it!

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 2:51pm Thanks! All archived at mappingmashups.net/geowebchat RT @geovis_isprs: Check the hashtag #geowebchat for some interesting geo-related discussions.

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OpenStreetMap and the Ada Initiative #osm4ada

Thanks to Kathleen Danielson, there is now an OpenStreetMap community campaign to donate money to the Ada Initiative. The Ada Initiative is a group doing important work supporting women in open technology and culture, and it would be great to see more connections between OpenStreetMap and Ada.

To donate to the #osm4ada campaign, click on this donation tracker widget:

Or go to https://supportada.org?campaign=openstreetmap.

To learn more about the diversity challenges OSM faces, watch these presentations by Alyssa Wright and Monica Stephens, for a start, and join the osm-diversity mailing list.

The current Ada Initiative campaign ends in three days, so donate now if you can!

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AAG 2015 CFP: OpenStreetMap Studies: Research Perspectives on a Decade of OSM

Muki Haklay and I are organizing a session at AAG 2015 about “OpenStreetMap Studies”, inspired by his recent blog post: “OpenStreetMap studies (and why VGI not equal OSM)

You can read our full CFP here: AAG 2015 CFP: OpenStreetMap Studies: Research Perspectives on a Decade of OSM. Submissions are due October 31!

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#geowebchat transcript, 16 September 2014: Hand-drawn maps part 2


@mappingmashups Sep 15, 10:41am Tomorrow on #geowebchat is hand-drawn-maps part 2: show & tell & critique. Bring examples of hand-made cartography! Tue, Sep 16, 12pm PDT.

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:01pm Hey everybody, welcome to another #geowebchat! We are resuming last week’s discussion about hand-drawn maps: mappingmashups.net/2014/09/02/geo…

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:02pm Today’s #geowebchat will go into depth w/ a few examples of hand-drawn maps in the digital age. Let’s show-and-tell some of your favorites!

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:03pm As always w/ #geowebchat, make sure to include the hashtag in all your tweets. Tools like this help you follow along tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:05pm Here’s a RT from last night via @mvexel for #geowebchat “@punkish: enough of this computer shit… old school punkish.org/Hand-Drawn-Maps

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:06pm Another for #geowebchat… does hand-drawn make more room for imagination? RT @re_sieber: Imaginary hand drawn maps pic.twitter.com/4BkFMo1lhZ

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:10pm hey all, i returned quite exhausted from @foss4g, but here are a few examples that popped to mind last time. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:15pm …it’s either very quiet for today’s #geowebchat, or my internet connection is failing me (which might be the case today).

@re_sieber Sep 16, 12:16pm Unfortunately, I teach right in the middle of #geowebchat so I can’t easily contribute this Fall

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:17pm I’m very much enjoying the latest Pencil style by @aj_ashton in @Mapbox Studio: a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/examples.a4… #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:17pm my examples are from fine arts; etchings by #EdRuscha of LA & SF street intersections crownpoint.com/artists/ruscha #geowebchat

@re_sieber Sep 16, 12:18pm Some resources “You are Here”, “Dictionary of Imaginary Places”, “Else/Where” #geowebchat (on break from class)

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:18pm RT @erictheise: in ’69 book club of calif published ‘designs on the land’ hand drawn maps from ranchers google.com/search?q=Desig… #geowebchat

@geodosu Sep 16, 12:18pm @mappingmashups @aj_ashton @Mapbox That is very nice #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:19pm some of his work with #mixografia, handmade paper/relief: mixographia.com/artist.php?bas… #geowebchat

@ebrelsford Sep 16, 12:21pm is today’s #geowebchat about anything particular within the umbrella of handdrawn maps?

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:21pm .@erictheise Those hand-drawn maps by ranchers are interesting in that the hand-drawnness helps communicate a connection w/ land #geowebchat

@SpatialProphet Sep 16, 12:21pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat I’ve a great “folk”map from Culebra PR.. in storage. Zzz #Dilapidated&DrunkRentalCarMerchantMakesForGoodMemories

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:23pm the color and line work in #EdRuscha LA/SF soft ground etchings pleases, size fits in hand, imagining impossible intersections. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:23pm @ebrelsford Last time on #geowebchat we talked abt the role of hand-drawn maps in the digital age. Today we’re hoping to dive into examples

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:23pm .@ebrelsford …so, which of these maps resonates w/ us for deeper inspection? What can we learn from it vis-a-vis the digital? #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Sep 16, 12:24pm @mappingmashups At The #VirginiaGIS Conference, One Of My Fave Hand Drawn Web Maps Is …ssine-moi-une-ville.makina-corpus.net/#14/43.5934/1…. #geowebchat

@ebrelsford Sep 16, 12:24pm i always come back to the maps by the surveillance camera players eg notbored.org/LES-2011.jpg #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:25pm yes, @mappingmashups, maps appear naive, but show deep familiarity w/landmarks & features. think ranchers all lost land anyway. #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 16, 12:25pm .@mappingmashups I’ll just point out that the CartoCSS “line-smooth” parameter is fake-hand-drawing-gold. farm8.staticflickr.com/7358/875612372… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:25pm .@ebrelsford Great example. So what does a hand-made map of surveillance do different from this: appliedautonomy.com/isee.html ? #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Sep 16, 12:26pm @mappingmashups Also Tons Of Cool Ones At comiccartography.tumblr.com #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:27pm @erictheise Contrast w/ of the recurring themes in PPGIS: that professional-looking maps help disadvantaged groups get heard. #geowebchat

@ebrelsford Sep 16, 12:28pm @mappingmashups good point, I think the data is related, actually! or at least that the players collected data for iSee #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:28pm naive or pro, odds pretty stacked against ranchers in california land grabs, @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:29pm some of the 92 maps that structure #PeterGreenaway’s #aWalkThroughH
google.com/search?q=peter… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:29pm .@ebrelsford Interesting. But emphasizing the data is hand-collected reclaims a sense of humanity and individuality, perhaps. #geowebchat

@ebrelsford Sep 16, 12:30pm @mappingmashups here being hand-drawn exposes the methodology, too. “oh, i could have done that.” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:30pm .@ebrelsford Even tho that particular map (notbored.org/LES-2011.jpg) probably was made after the fact, not during data collection #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:33pm @erictheise So do hand-made maps communicate narrative differently, Eric? (Not having seen A Walk Through H yet) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:35pm .@erictheise I’m wondering if hand-made maps communicate the time it took to make the map, while digital maps seem instantaneous #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:35pm #PeterGreenaway modifies his maps as the film progresses. the subtitle of the film is ‘the reincarnation of an ornithologist’
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@spara Sep 16, 12:36pm Revealing my deepest nerd, I spent lot of time drawing D&D maps like this but with more detail upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm… #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:37pm when the deceased lingers, landmarks fade from map and endangers progression along underworld journey. #aWalkThroughH #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:37pm @spara But if you were growing up today, would you have made those maps digitally? In QGIS/TileMill/D3… or minecraft? ;) #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:38pm when he over-accelerates, he gets stuck in a territory with no exit yet available and has to cycle aimlessly. #aWalkThroughH #geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:39pm @mappingmashups There are probably specific map generators for turn based games today. #geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:42pm I used to Traveler and now there’s a map server for it travellermap.com/?x=6.295&y=-28… #geowebchat

@billdollins Sep 16, 12:43pm @spara Same here. Spent hours on them. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:43pm So how about we take the last 15 minutes to look at the details of some of the artificial hand-drawn maps? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:45pm I’m admiring the similarities and differences between …ssine-moi-une-ville.makina-corpus.net/#15/43.5901/1…. and a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/examples.a4… #geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:47pm Way back when, Mapblast would generate driveline/beeline maps that looked a lot like what a person would draw #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:48pm I love how the @makinacorpus map uses post-its for labels, for extra realism: …ssine-moi-une-ville.makina-corpus.net/#15/43.5962/1…. #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/pmOlKqzIJ8

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:51pm You can see @makinacorpus using smthg like line-smooth as @vtcraghead mentioned …ssine-moi-une-ville.makina-corpus.net/#19/43.59922/1… #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/6eURNxCsIr

@spara Sep 16, 12:51pm An example strip maps buildinghistory.org/images/Ogilby1… AAA used to generate them when you asked for one. #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 16, 12:54pm .@mappingmashups @makinacorpus HOT LEGEND. Off-topic, but that’s a great example of a novel implementation in an interactive. #geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:58pm I’ve always liked the AAA Triptiks google.com/search?q=aaa+s… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:59pm Well, we are reaching the end of another #geowebchat. Thanks for all the links, everybody! Transcript here soon: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 1:00pm Next #geowebchat is in 3 weeks, on Oct 7. The topic will be “Cartography and Time”, since that’s the theme of #NACIS which starts that week.

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 1:23pm RT @punkish: re Hand Drawn Maps (punkish.org/Hand-Drawn-Maps), search sucks but the battery life is infinite #geowebchat

@re_sieber Sep 16, 9:52pm Appropo of the #geowebchat discussion on hand-drawn maps:Richly Detailed Maps Give the Modern World a Victorian Twist gizmodo.com/these-richly-d…

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