Year two at Stamen

As you may have noticed, I’m not really using this blog as a blog anymore. All my recent blog posts are geowebchat transcripts. If you want to read my occasional blog posts that are not twitter transcripts, I’ve tagged those with “not_geowebchat” for your convenience.

I don’t have time to write blog posts anymore. And today is no different, so I’ll make this short. But I thought I should write something. Apologies if this post reads more like a grab-bag of links and screenshots (FYI, all images are clickable links). For a more structured post, maybe check out my interview at the Geohipster blog.

new map stencil

Last week I hit the two year mark at Stamen Design. (No, I didn’t write a blog post at year one). Those two years have flown past, and this continues to be the most amazing job I’ve ever had. So, what have I been up to?

At Stamen we do data visualization and custom cartography. Clients hire us when they need help understanding some complex dataset, or when they need to communicate data to the public in ways that are compelling, insightful, and beautiful at the same time. I get to explore and process all kinds of geographic data, write code to turn this data into interactive maps, and work with designers to figure out what the maps should look like. Every dataset is unique, and every client’s needs are different; it’s an endless stream of new and exciting puzzles to figure out.

One of my favorite recent examples is our visualization of the impact of climate change on bird migration for the Audubon society. Their scientists used climate models to predict the future migration ranges for hundreds of North American bird species. We took their data and made shareable animated maps that showed how much range these birds would lose and (potentially) gain.


At Stamen we use open data and open source tools to make these visualizations, so I also spend a lot of time working on the basemaps that underly many of our projects, for example updating Stamen’s distinctive “Toner” style.


We also designed brand-new basemaps for CartoDB, an online visualization tool which lets anybody make their own data-rich maps:


Those were just a few of the projects I worked on. Here are a few more: mapping methane leaks for the EDF, a map of ocean protected areas in the US and Canada, mapping the arts landscape in Detroit, visualizing urban water resources around the world.

Many others weren’t public, or haven’t been made public yet. In other cases my contribution is mainly behind the scenes. One of my other favorite Stamen challenges was collecting social media activity to feed into our website. The algorithms we developed to harvest the social media resulted in some fascinating geographic patterns, but none of these maps made sense to include in the user-facing app.

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With every project there are opportunities to explore, experiment, and create glitches that test the limits of our tools and our designs. These are some of the most interesting outcomes of the Stamen process, and frequently the most fun.


Often it’s possible to make beautiful new maps by building on the work of others, remixing existing maps and tools with a couple of lines of code:


All of these projects involve collaborating closely with a team of brilliant colleagues at Stamen. None of our projects are solo endeavors, and working with great people is one of the special pleasures of being at Stamen. The teams are small, but the list of colleagues is a bit too long to list here. There’s also a lot of pride in carrying on the Stamen reputation established by all the Stamen alumni before us. Some of them I still haven’t met, but nonetheless it feels like we’ve all been working together (just separated a bit in space and time) to build something special and lasting.

When it comes to amazing people I’ve worked with, I do want to mention by name Zach Watson, who we lost tragically and unexpectedly last year. Many other people were much closer to him than I was, but I got to work beside him for my first year at Stamen and learned a lot from him. It’s a small consolation that Stamen helped found the Zachary Watson Memorial Education Fund in his memory.

Teaching and speaking

We are very lucky and privileged to do what we get to do at Stamen, and I’m glad that education and knowledge sharing is a core principle of what we’re all about. In the last two years I’ve co-taught a couple of classes about web mapping at Parisoma, and given guest lectures all across the Bay Area: explaining OpenStreetMap to cartography students at SFSU, talking about digital mapping and the city to Urban Studies students at USF and designers at the Stanford D-School, speaking to art students at UC Berkeley, running a mapping workshop at CCA, and a teaching workshop for the UC Curriculum Institute. Many of those presentations were in conjunction with my education-and-outreach partner-in-crime Beth Schechter. A bit further afield down in L.A., I also gave a talk to design students with Jon Christensen at Cal Poly Pomona.

This is all in addition to the usual conference attending: Association of American Geographers, State of the Map [1] [2] [3], NACIS, FOSS4G [1] [2], and a few that that I haven’t attended before, like DataEDGE and the Computer Supported Collaborative Work (CSCW) conference. Closer to home, I also gave a brown bag research talk at the Wikimedia Foundation in San Francisco.

So, it’s clear that education and outreach is important at Stamen, and this includes hosting OpenStreetMap editathons in the studio once in a while.


Of course one of the biggest educational projects I’ve been lucky enough to be involved with is Maptime, which was just getting started by Beth Schechter and Camille Teicheira right at the same time I started at Stamen. Maptime is a grassroots, beginner-focussed series of mapping meetups that quickly grew well beyond its humble beginnings at Stamen. This was due in no small part to the energy and enthusiasm of Lyzi Diamond who joined as an organizer not long after Maptime’s founding. There are now Maptime chapters in cities all over the world, and it’s been fun to visit a few of them in Vancouver and Chicago on my travels. A lot has been said about Maptime elsewhere (like, for example, from Lyzi herself), so I won’t say much more here. After two years of helping to coordinate Maptime’s growth, and after giving a co-keynote with Beth, Camille, and Lyzi at the CalGIS conference, and after we organized our first Maptime Summit in NYC, I’m starting to ramp down my involvement with Maptime, assured that it’s in very good hands. I’ll still be involved on the Maptime HQ Board of Directors as we go through the process of getting nonprofit status.

The dissertation

Yes, I am also still working on my PhD dissertation at the University of British Columbia. Yes, I will finish it someday. I need to thank my dissertation committee for their patience and indulgence, and also thanks to Stamen for helping me find time here and there to keep making progress. Anyhow, ask me about it some other time.


While I’ve been at Stamen, my dissertation research has had some interesting spin-offs, like the map above which shows every line that ever existed in the OpenStreetMap database. This map won first place in the See-Through Maps exhibit which was part of the Mapping and its Discontents symposium at UC Berkeley. We later showed a version of the map at the Istanbul Design Biennial and I included it in an article I wrote about OpenStreetMap for SPUR’s magazine The Urbanist.


What’s in store the next two years? Plenty of exciting new Stamen projects are in the works, and who knows what other new projects will come through the door that we haven’t even imagined yet. Stay tuned to the Stamen blog, and follow me on Twitter, Flickr, and Pinterest for more frequent updates and teasers like this one:


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#geowebchat transcript, 7 July 2015: #geocoding

@mappingmashups Jul 06, 11:32am Tomorrow (Tues July 7) on #geowebchat, join special guest @philiphubs from @here to talk about #geocoding! Noon PDT, 3pm EDT, 1900 UTC

@here Jul 03, 4:01pm .@philiphubs will host the next #geowebchat! Join the conversation Tuesday, July 7 at 12AM Pacific time

@jeresuikkila Jul 07, 11:29am Do you know how your phone converts addresses to coordinates? Join #geowebchat in 30 minutes to chat with experts like @philiphubs

@jeresuikkila Jul 07, 11:48am Knock, knock!

Who’s there?


…, who?

Not who! “Where”!

@erictheise Jul 07, 11:48am will you be dropping by the #geowebchat today, @nixzusehen? it’s about #geocoding and it starts at noon, pacific. twelve minutes from now!

@riordan Jul 07, 11:56am @erictheise You think I’d miss #geowebchat?!

@erictheise Jul 07, 11:58am never doubted for a moment, @riordan. you didn’t miss #geobreakfast east and, come to think of it, neither did @nixzusehen. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:00pm Starting now: our monthly #geowebchat twitter chat! Today’s topic is #geocoding with guest hosts @philiphubs and @jeresuikkila from @here!

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:01pm Hello and welcome to the #geowebchat – Today it’s about geocoding!

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:01pm As always, if you want to join #geowebchat, make sure to include the hashtag in your tweets. If you want to ignore us, just mute the tag.

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:01pm Tools like @TweetChat are a good way to follow along with #geowebchat.

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:02pm Thanks @mappingmashups. My name is Philip and I work at @here as a Product Manager for our Geocoder API. Who is with us today? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:02pm And now, without further ado, let me hand things over to @philiphubs, our guest #geocoding expert! #geowebchat

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:02pm alright #geowebchat #geocoding we’re here, looking forward to your questions

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:03pm and by here I of course mean 41.3966,2.1988 #geowebchat #geocoding

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:04pm @OpenCageData Hah, you already want to talk about #reversegeocoding? :) #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:05pm @philiphubs Greetings from the @mapzen Pelias geocoder team. I wonder what today’s geocoder builder to user ratio’s going to be? #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:05pm @OpenCageData Hola and welcome! Who else do we have? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Jul 07, 12:05pm Lurking. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:06pm @riordan @mapzen Right, you are taking away my first question :) #geowebchat

@Innisfree Jul 07, 12:06pm @JessiBreen I’m lurking too. #geowebchat.

@ChrisSheldrick2 Jul 07, 12:06pm @philiphubs @mappingmashups @here I’m here from @what3words look forward to chatting #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:07pm @riordan, good question. I’m definitely more of a geocoder user than a builder. #geowebchat Although I try to avoid geocoding when I can..

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:07pm So let’s start: Are you a user or a creator of geocoding? #geowebchat

@blackmad Jul 07, 12:07pm @riordan @philiphubs @mapzen might be here. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Jul 07, 12:08pm Occasional user. #geowebchat

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:08pm @ChrisSheldrick2 @philiphubs @mappingmashups @here @what3words Hi Chris, I’m on the keyboard at… #geowebchat

@erictheise Jul 07, 12:08pm i’m a geocode consumer. application developer, sometime cartographer. #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:08pm @blackmad This #geowebchat was kinda made for you.

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:09pm @mappingmashups the rise of mobiles means reverse is now the most common type of geocoding #geowebchat

@Innisfree Jul 07, 12:09pm User – social science research requires geocoding these days. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:10pm @OpenCageData Maybe we should define #geocoding and reverse geocoding? #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:10pm @philiphubs I’m a lot of both. I just joined the Mapzen Pelias team (a little over 2 weeks ago) #geowebchat (1/2)

@erictheise Jul 07, 12:10pm i’ve tried many of free(ish) and open(ish) ones, installed Tiger Geocoder into my postgis, broken terms of service, i confess. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:11pm @OpenCageData @mappingmashups Yes, reverse geocoding is rising in usage from mobile. What is your share? Forward vs. reverse #geowebchat

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:12pm @philiphubs @mappingmashups #geowebchat hmm, just realized I don’t have recent numbers, but reverse is on the rise.

@riordan Jul 07, 12:12pm @OpenCageData Exactly. It’s why Factual’s orienting their product around their reverse geocoder. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:12pm Geocoding is the ability to match addresses to the correct location (latitude and longitude) on a map. Do you agree? #geowebchat

@blackmad Jul 07, 12:13pm Writer of coarse geocoder, ex-google geocoder, seeker/cosnumer of street level geocoding APIs #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:13pm @philiphubs Worked on historical geocoders back @nypl_labs, & search places in 4SQ, Google, Apple Maps every day #geowebchat (2/2)

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:13pm @philiphubs @mappingmashups #geowebchat common use case is app devs. phone tells them coords, they want to show humans an understandable loc

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:13pm Quick defn: #geocoding is taking an address (or descriptive location) and finding coordinates. Reverse is lat/lon -> address. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:13pm Reverse Geocoding gets the next street address or area information for the given geographic coordinate. #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:14pm @OpenCageData @philiphubs @mappingmashups Translating an indecipherable addressing system into a semi-semantic one #geowebchat

@RebeccaSiGo Jul 07, 12:15pm I didn’t know there was a #geowebchat. How to serve breakfast through Twitter?

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:16pm @riordan @philiphubs @mappingmashups #geowebchat yes, hence why we’d love it if others help with this project…

@ChrisSheldrick2 Jul 07, 12:16pm We @what3words have a #geocoder & #reversegeocoder converting 3 word addresses <> coordinates. The 3 words are dictionary words. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Jul 07, 12:16pm @JessiBreen Lurking club represent. Have spent many hours teaching reverse geocoding on mobile. Less so traditional. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:17pm RT @SamuelLeach Geocoding is finding a boundary for an address. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:18pm RT @ColinReillyNY @philiphubs @mappingmashups @here Hello from NYC DoITT developers of the Geoclient API #geowebchat

@dianashk Jul 07, 12:18pm more pelias people in the house. mostly geocoder builder. user when testing. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:18pm At @here the Geocoder API usage is 90% reverse, 10% forward. But forward geocoding is the more interesting problem to solve #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:19pm @OpenCageData @philiphubs @mappingmashups Hear hear! This only works when we work together and hold hands. #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:20pm For historical texts, geoparsing and forward geocoding has always been the use case, like what @schuyler did with Gutencarte #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:21pm @mappingmashups True. But the best geocoders are those that work with the way humans speak and that’s not always addresses #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:21pm @OpenCageData We’re tremendously excited about the… and can’t wait to contribute. #geowebchat (1/2)

@riordan Jul 07, 12:21pm @OpenCageData This only works when we can empower people to bring local knowledge of the places they care about. Easily. #geowebchat (2/2)

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:21pm @mappingmashups Colloquial, vernacular and informal geographies are essential to good geocoding and geoparsing #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:23pm @vicchi @mappingmashups Show us some examples Gary. I like how Colombia or Salt Lake City addresses work, e.g. 1700 E 1700 S #geowebchat

@jeresuikkila Jul 07, 12:23pm .@ChrisSheldrick2 @what3words we are tweeting from…. today. Otherwise known as Downtown Berkeley #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:24pm cc #geowebchat RT @SamuelLeach @ChrisSheldrick2 @mappingmashups Having the bounding box, or precise boundary useful for quantitative work.

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:24pm @riordan we’re all sitting anxiously refreshing the pull request page! #geowebchat

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:25pm @philiphubs @vicchi @mappingmashups #geowebchat A good example – if I say let’s meet for dinner in Chinatown you prob know what I mean 1/

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:26pm @philiphubs @vicchi @mappingmashups #geowebchat but in most cities that is not an “official” location 2/

@Innisfree Jul 07, 12:27pm Oregon is blank except for Portland. What’s up UO? @SVendetta86 @jblairpdx @map_chicago #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:27pm @OpenCageData @philiphubs @vicchi @mappingmashups Which comes back to incorporating colloquial geographies into our gazetteers #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:27pm @OpenCageData Or even if “Chinatown” is an official location, people might perceive its boundaries differently from the city. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:27pm @OpenCageData @vicchi @mappingmashups Neighborhood names are definetly one input to geocoding #geowebchat

@mapzen Jul 07, 12:28pm tune into #geowebchat for a fascinating discussion about geocoding (and reverse geocoding!)

@juliansimioni Jul 07, 12:28pm @philiphubs @vicchi @mappingmashups I think the idea is no one thinks “Im at 1600 Pennsylvania av”, just “im at the white house” #geowebchat

@erictheise Jul 07, 12:28pm always find way in grid-addressed city @philiphubs–i’m from chicago–but isn’t navigating a new orleans better for the brain? #geowebchat

@ChrisSheldrick2 Jul 07, 12:28pm @jeresuikkila Great location. That’s one spacious car park. Not to be confused with the lovely #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:29pm @mappingmashups @OpenCageData Here in New York we have 3 “Chinatown”‘s. It’s a hard disambiguation #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:30pm @OpenCageData @vicchi @mappingmashups General Zao Chicken anyone? *gettinghungry* #geowebchat

@dianashk Jul 07, 12:31pm if you make geocoders, how do you test it? if you use them, how do compare/evaluate available options? #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:31pm @OpenCageData @philiphubs @mappingmashups And let’s not forget places which don’t have an address because they don’t exist #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:32pm @OpenCageData @philiphubs @mappingmashups Not fictitious places but territories which just don’t have formal addressing ##geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:33pm @ChrisSheldrick2 @jeresuikkila I find that confusing w/ @what3words:…. isn’t near #geowebchat

@ChrisSheldrick2 Jul 07, 12:33pm @riordan @OpenCageData Great point on ambiguity. Ambiguity was something we strived to eliminate when creating @what3words #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:33pm @dianashk We have a huge test data set we run every night to ensure we don’t break anything while coding. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:34pm @ChrisSheldrick2 @jeresuikkila And I’m at…. but my coworker at the next desk is quench.nature.tribe #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Jul 07, 12:35pm I’d be curious to hear @R_RoseRedwood thoughts on geocoding ambiguity given his work on street numbering, modernity, etc. #geowebchat

@ChrisSheldrick2 Jul 07, 12:35pm @mappingmashups @jeresuikkila @what3words Is it more or less confusing/error prone than if both were in the same city? #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:35pm Is your input for geocoding typically an address, partial address, place name, a combination of all? #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:35pm @philiphubs @dianashk Which raises another question: how to disambiguate issues in the (ever-changing) data from issues in code? #geowebchat

@juliansimioni Jul 07, 12:35pm @philiphubs how did you build up that dataset? from user querys? manually? how do you decide what your geocoder “should” return? #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:36pm @OpenCageData @philiphubs @mappingmashups Oh & places which officialdom doesn’t recognise – favelas, slums, shanty towns #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:36pm RT @dianashk we’re working on same sort of thing, but trying to make a communal data set for general purpose geocoder testing. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:36pm @riordan @dianashk By doing daily tests we can seperate code changes from data changes. #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:37pm @mappingmashups @SamuelLeach @ChrisSheldrick2 Polygons need geocoding love too and make life easier but are buggers to source #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:38pm @jeresuikkila @ChrisSheldrick2 Good point. @what3words makes a reasonable tradeoff to be more error-resistant #geowebchat

@erictheise Jul 07, 12:38pm throwing this on the heap: any thoughts on @richardf’s @sotmus mention of app where you could walk & say addresses into #osm? #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:38pm @juliansimioni It’s both, a combination of real user queries and “ground truth” data we collected. QA is so important!! #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:39pm @erictheise @richardf @sotmus Audio narration over gps trace is apparently already part of the JOSM workflow (?!). So yeah. #geowebchat

@erictheise Jul 07, 12:40pm (would have to watch @richardf’s talk video or dig out notes, can’t easily find a repo for or mention of that of which i speak) #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:40pm @vicchi @mappingmashups @SamuelLeach @ChrisSheldrick2 Do you mean admin boundaries, cartos, and the like? #geowebchat

@erictheise Jul 07, 12:40pm o, @riordan nails it, thanks! #geowebchat

@ColinReillyNY Jul 07, 12:40pm Proliferation of alias/vanity addresses in NYC is a real problem for us. How do other cities handle? #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:41pm @riordan Careful, once you get @tim_waters started on psychogeography it’s a wild ride but a good one! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:41pm cc #geowebchat RT @dianashk probably one of the most critical things in this space! what are your thoughts on a single public data set?

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:42pm @philiphubs @mappingmashups @SamuelLeach @ChrisSheldrick2 Precisely! But there is no one true map beyond admins #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:42pm @ColinReillyNY Oh, these are common across the globe. Some countries have different names in different languages for same street #geowebchat

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:43pm @riordan @philiphubs @vicchi @mappingmashups #geowebchat any country in particular you’re targeting? Try geocoding India #mypredicitonpain

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:44pm @OpenCageData @riordan @philiphubs @mappingmashups Think globally! It’s the only way on the interwebs these days #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:45pm @ColinReillyNY This is why we have a “normalize names” feature in HERE Geocoder and keep many alternative names in our map data #geowebchat

@dianashk Jul 07, 12:46pm #geowebchat @philiphubs would love to know that as well. we’re trying to cover all the basis by working on NLP as well as address parsing.

@freyfogle Jul 07, 12:46pm @riordan @philiphubs @vicchi @mappingmashups #geowebchat here’s a talk I gave re: our Indian efforts at @nestoria…

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:49pm @dianashk There are various paths. Some do a sort of auto-correction before the index match, others prefer fuzzy matching #geowebchat

@ColinReillyNY Jul 07, 12:49pm @dianashk @philiphubs All above + intersection + blockface #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 12:50pm Attn geo users: There’s a fabulous tool in @freyfogle’s slides to compare (forward geocoding) services #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:50pm @jeresuikkila @OpenCageData @riordan @philiphubs @mappingmashups That’s a whole other #canofworms #geowebchat

@freyfogle Jul 07, 12:52pm @riordan #geowebchat unfortunately I’m not certain that tool is maintained. The copyright on the page leads me to believe it isn’t

@jeresuikkila Jul 07, 12:53pm @riordan @freyfogle interesting results for that “chinatown” mentioned earlier #geowebchat

@Innisfree Jul 07, 12:53pm RT @riordan Tool for comparing geocoding results. Thanks @freyfogle! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:53pm cc #geowebchat RT @riordan: @vicchi @jeresuikkila @OpenCageData @philiphubs @mappingmashups Don’t get me started on Swatch Beats Time

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:55pm @riordan @vicchi @jeresuikkila @OpenCageData @mappingmashups I had one of those! #confessions #geowebchat

@harizh Jul 07, 12:55pm @riordan @freyfogle how do we get a new geocoding service (such as pelias) into gisgraphy? #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 12:56pm Time is nearly up: What do you see needs improvement to make geocoding better? #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:56pm @mappingmashups @riordan @OpenCageData @philiphubs You need to open a can of worms to get data sets essential for geocoding #geowebchat

@OpenCageData Jul 07, 12:56pm @vicchi @mappingmashups @riordan @philiphubs do NOT say licensing, do NOT say licensing, do NOT say licensing #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 12:56pm @OpenCageData @mappingmashups @riordan @philiphubs Licensing. Licensing. Licensing. Don’t dodge the issue. It’s not going away #geowebchat

@freyfogle Jul 07, 12:57pm @harizh @riordan #geowebchat Not a clue. I am just a user, not the maintainer.

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:57pm @vicchi @OpenCageData @riordan @philiphubs Appropriately, we had a #geowebchat about geodata licenses back in Feb:…

@dianashk Jul 07, 12:58pm @ColinReillyNY @philiphubs intersections are really interesting. wonder how important they are globaly. #geowebchat

@iandees Jul 07, 12:58pm Hey #geowebchat, not enough pull requests being opened for…. Share the data you’ve found!

@riordan Jul 07, 12:59pm @dianashk @ColinReillyNY @philiphubs Intersections is apparently “a thing”. It’s in Google, not in Nominatim. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 12:59pm Thanks to @philiphubs for hosting today’s #geowebchat! We’ve reached the end of our hour, but everyone feel free to keep chatting.

@riordan Jul 07, 1:00pm Seconded. Get in on @openaddresses. Help make it better! #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 1:00pm @riordan @dianashk @ColinReillyNY Oh yes, for HERE Geocoder we have customers doing nothing but intersection geocoding #geowebchat

@ColinReillyNY Jul 07, 1:00pm @riordan @dianashk @philiphubs It’s in Geoclient as well. Represents over 10% of all NYC 311 geocodes. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jul 07, 1:00pm I’ll post the transcript of today’s #geowebchat shortly at Next chat will be the same time, on August 4th. Topic TBD

@philiphubs Jul 07, 1:02pm @dianashk @ColinReillyNY This is why HERE Geocoder also offer the output for cross streets with house no. results #geowebchat

@dianashk Jul 07, 1:03pm @philiphubs NLP will be the next leap in geocoding. as others mentioned, understanding the way people talk about locations #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 1:03pm @philiphubs Ultimately, better open data improves geocoding. We can raise the global baseline; lower everyone’s costs. #geowebchat

@harizh Jul 07, 1:03pm @philiphubs @riordan @dianashk @ColinReillyNY how do you guys do intersections? at the time of data import or at query time? #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 1:04pm Thanks @mappingmashups for this #geowebchat it was great! Thanks to all the participants. For those in the Bay Area, love to meet in person!

@jeresuikkila Jul 07, 1:04pm @dianashk @philiphubs “meet me at the bottom of the stairs of the big white church” always worked for foreigners in Helsinki #geowebchat

@juliansimioni Jul 07, 1:04pm @philiphubs outreach towards orgs with data. there are so many govs with data that could help us if we could just get to it #geowebchat

@riordan Jul 07, 1:00pm Seconded. Get in on @openaddresses. Help make it better! #geowebchat…

@philiphubs Jul 07, 1:06pm @harizh @riordan @dianashk @ColinReillyNY We offer both. Put both names in input or in separate fields. #geowebchat

@juliansimioni Jul 07, 1:06pm @philiphubs imagine all the tiny geo teams in muni govs that just need to be helped a bit and could easily open their data #geowebchat

@ColinReillyNY Jul 07, 1:06pm @harizh @philiphubs @riordan @dianashk we process the data on import. #geowebchat the chat that wont end…

@erictheise Jul 07, 1:08pm get on down to a #geobreakfast, @philiphubs, fridays, 8:30-10a, #PorkStoreCafe16thSt across from the Roxie Theater. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 1:08pm @juliansimioni I totally agree! Sourcing data is one of the biggest cost drivers for us at HERE too. We have over 80k sources #geowebchat

@vicchi Jul 07, 1:08pm @mappingmashups Thanks Alan; as always #geowebchat was geotastic!

@philiphubs Jul 07, 1:09pm @erictheise Thanks!! #geowebchat

@dianashk Jul 07, 1:10pm @philiphubs @mappingmashups thanks for hosting and moderating #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jul 07, 1:12pm #geobreakfast latitude: 37.7651215, longitude: -122.4226074 next Friday 8:30-10 am #geowebchat – Thanks @erictheise

@vicchi Jul 07, 1:21pm @dianashk @philiphubs @mappingmashups Perfectly said, #geowebchat is an geo-institution

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#geowebchat transcript, 2 June 2015: Navigation apps

@mappingmashups May 29, 6:41am Join our next #geowebchat about navigation apps, with guest host @nguyenist! Tues June 2, at 12pm PDT, 3pm EDT. Please RT!

@floraandflying May 29, 7:03am Navigation geeks – app builders and deep thinkers plz join #geowebchat Tues. Jun 2, 12 PDT, 3 pm EDT to discuss navigation apps. Cc: @moovit

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 7:03am Today (Jun 2) on #geowebchat we’re discussing navigation apps with guest host @nguyenist. Join the chat at 12pm PDT, 3pm PDT, 20:00 BST.

@nguyenist Jun 02, 8:27am Excited to co-host this afternoon’s #geowebchat w the awesome @mappingmashups! So many thoughts. Ready to geek out.

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:00pm Starting now: our monthly #geowebchat twitter chat! Today’s topic is “navigation apps” with guest host @nguyenist!

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:01pm Our special host @nguyenist (Stephanie Nguyen) works on navigation apps at @golandmark, & is one one the @MaptimeDC organizers! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:01pm As always, to join the chat, make sure you include the hashtag #geowebchat in all your tweets. If you want to ignore us, mute the hashtag!

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:02pm If you’re joining our #geowebchat, feel free to introduce yourself, and let us know what interests you about navigation apps.

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:04pm For some additional reading, we had two related chats about navigation last year:…… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:06pm Oh, and one last thing, it’s easy to follow along with #geowebchat with tools like @TweetChat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:07pm .@nguyenist, would you like to start off our #geowebchat with your first question?

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:07pm Excited to be a part of today’s discussion. @mappingmashups love the previous #geowebchat s on indoor nav and crowdsourced geo data!

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:09pm Q1 What navigation/mapping apps do you regularly use and why? Take a peek at your phone home screens right now #geowebchat

@neogeografen Jun 02, 12:10pm OsmAnd 2.0 in bicyle or foot mode – off-line navi- + POIs search possible – 400 POIs filter #geowebchat

@neogeografen Jun 02, 12:12pm Also use Garmin maps for bicyle/hiking – based on OSM geodata – #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 12:12pm google’s what i use when i need step x step directions; apps w/maps include galileo, yelp, swarm, meetup, various transit apps. #geowebchat

@mvexel Jun 02, 12:13pm Scout (US and global), OSMAnd #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:13pm .@neogeografen Interesting. I’ve never used Garmin maps. I do have the Garmin GPS device. Works well in the city? #geowebchat

@jwass2000 Jun 02, 12:14pm @nguyenist For nav, I use beta version of @mapkin app, obviously :) #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 12:14pm i’d use @Chimani more if i camped and went hiking more. on the roadmap for this year. #geowebchat

@neogeografen Jun 02, 12:15pm @nguyenist My Garmin have better GPS chips than my smart phone – so navi in cities more precis #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 12:16pm is it a spoiler to ask about the current coverage of @golandmark, @nguyenist? #geowebchat

@neogeografen Jun 02, 12:16pm @nguyenist You can try Garmin OSM based maps download here – bicycle, car or hiking options #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:17pm .@mvexel What makes Scout unique and your app of choice? I haven’t used it but would love your thoughts. #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:19pm @mappingmashups Another vote for Scout! @mvexel Similarly a study asking 30+ people about their apps:… #geowebchat

@mvexel Jun 02, 12:20pm @nguyenist Well I am kind of biased because I help make it. But it is the first mass market nav app to use OSM. #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jun 02, 12:20pm I’m using the HERE app for iOS (I also work for HERE). Also tried SFOBikePaths and like it. #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 12:20pm habit, mostly. i don’t drive at home, when traveling or co-piloting google seems accurate, traffic aware, familiar, @nguyenist. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:21pm @philiphubs Is SFOBikePaths an app? I can’t find it. #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:21pm .@jwass2000 +1 to @techstars backed @mapkin for intuitive navigation. Do you mind sharing what you guys are up to? Driving only? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:23pm @erictheise @nguyenist I’m less willing to try Scout when I have other people in the car. If Google fails, I can’t be blamed :) #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:23pm .@erictheise We could probably do an entire #geowebchat on just outdoor/nature navigation. Never used @Chimani why do you recommend?

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:24pm @erictheise @nguyenist It’s kind of like “nobody ever got fired for buying IBM”. With myself I try Scout to help it improve. #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:25pm .@neogeografen Our phones have a range of GPS error but we can still navigate to our destination. How precise do we need to be? #geowebchat

@neogeografen Jun 02, 12:27pm @nguyenist As a only OSM geodata based map App/Garmin user – I am more interested in having lots paths than precision #geowebchat

@jwass2000 Jun 02, 12:28pm @nguyenist Making spoken instructions intuitive to keep eyes on road while driving. Using landmarks, lights, custom instructions #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:28pm .@erictheise After interviewing hundreds of people, most with iPhones still use Google Maps. I love Apple for walking directions #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 12:29pm haven’t looked at alternatives to @Chimani, @nguyenist; app is low key, delivers, & i met founder @kerrygallivan @sotmus pdx. #geowebchat

@mvexel Jun 02, 12:29pm btw on pedestrian nav – the global version of Scout recently added this, let me know how you like it. #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:30pm .@philiphubs offline maps option is great. Many people are concerned with battery life while navigating. #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 12:31pm i was going to say “dutifully” downloading scout right now, @mvexel, but that implies it being a chore; looking forward to it. #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:31pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise What are the pros for Scout? Anything that sets it apart from Google Maps? #geowebchat

@mvexel Jun 02, 12:32pm @erictheise if you’re looking for the global version, follow the links here: #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:32pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise it’s great to know that startups have a chance in the nav space against big players: Apple Google. #geowebchat

@jeresuikkila Jun 02, 12:33pm Working for @here: Wondering if you have tried it and if you as a mapping expert have any feedback to us? #geowebchat

@mvexel Jun 02, 12:33pm @nguyenist @mappingmashups @erictheise other than OSM? I trust Scout’s ETA estimate better, anecdotally. #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:33pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise market is big enough that there should be multiple options for navigating drive, bike, walk #geowebchat

@neogeografen Jun 02, 12:34pm @nguyenist LOL Apple as big player – Not in Europe and outside major cities @mappingmashups @erictheise #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:35pm .@jwass2000 @mapkin is a fantastic app that really hits a great point. Navigation should be more intuitive and human. #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 12:36pm talking telenav’s scout app. MT @mvexel: if you’re looking for global version, follow links at #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:36pm @erictheise Simple-it does what it needs to do! @Chimani @kerrygallivan I’ll be at @sotmus this year hope to meet you all there! #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:36pm .@mvexel Link? #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:37pm .@erictheise @mvexel I’d like to know how @scout performs for walking navigation vs. Google vs. Apple, etc. #geowebchat

@mvexel Jun 02, 12:37pm @nguyenist get it here (android / iOS) #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jun 02, 12:37pm @nguyenist More than just offline maps: Traffic incl re-routing, voice guidance, pedestrian and public transit incl schedules #geowebchat

@ZHANG_Ruda Jun 02, 12:37pm I wonder if any people here uses @Citymapper , which has a huge user group. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:37pm @nguyenist Specializing in driving, biking, walking makes sense, but as user it’s nice to compare all route options in 1 app #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:38pm .@mvexel @mappingmashups @erictheise when I navigate I glance at the time but mainly pay attn to distance left while in route. #geowebchat

@mvexel Jun 02, 12:38pm @nguyenist @erictheise @scout me too :) depends on data density as well of course, hence I had a lot of fun with it in Berlin #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:40pm .@ZHANG_Ruda Huge fan of @Citymapper, especially for design and these reasons:… +1 @zmh #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:42pm @philiphubs Will definitely have to try it out. Curious to know where HERE is most used? City walking? Suburb driving? #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jun 02, 12:42pm @mappingmashups How do you like the HERE route options? #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:47pm Moving to Q2: What’s the future of navigation apps? #geowebchat

@philiphubs Jun 02, 12:49pm @nguyenist #HEREmaps Can be used for driving, city walking, public transit. And our maps are in most car sat navs. #geowebchat

@muthukumarceg Jun 02, 12:51pm IYO, whats the best #App for pedestrain navigation? @jeresuikkila @nguyenist #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 12:52pm future of navigation apps: how about multi-sensorial interface & shuffle play, @nguyenist? #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:52pm .@muthukumarceg @jeresuikkila Clearly @golandmark ;) #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:53pm .@erictheise mind explaining what you mean by shuffle play? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:54pm @nguyenist @erictheise Is shuffle play for dérives, like #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:55pm Intuitive navigation has a long way to go. Crowdsourcing info is key. #geowebchat

@muthukumarceg Jun 02, 12:55pm haha @nguyenist Visual navigation is awesome but what do you think would be the biggest challenge? #geowebchat @jeresuikkila @golandmark

@jwass2000 Jun 02, 12:55pm @nguyenist New platforms – walking on watch – driving on CarPlay, etc. With autonomous cars – no need for driving nav app. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:57pm Thanks everybody for joining today’s #geowebchat. We’re nearing the end of the hour. Any last thoughts?

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:58pm @muthukumarceg @jeresuikkila @golandmark Getting beautiful, appropriately geotagged photos in every corner of the world. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 12:59pm @nguyenist @muthukumarceg @jeresuikkila For beautiful geotagged photos around the world, try @mapillary’s instagram feed! #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 12:59pm .@mappingmashups Hope to meet some of you at @sotmus this weekend! I have so many nav apps to download and test now. #geowebchat

@muthukumarceg Jun 02, 12:59pm @nguyenist Crowdsourcing?! but then are smartphones the best visual navigation devices? I don’t think so. #geowebchat @jeresuikkila

@muthukumarceg Jun 02, 1:00pm @mappingmashups thanks for the info! will check out @mapillary #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 1:00pm .@mappingmashups Last summer we drove in @lyft cabs taking @mapillary photos up and down streets of Manhattan! @muthukumarceg #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 1:01pm Today’s #geowebchat transcript will be posted at in a couple days. Our next chat will be same time on July 7!

@mappingmashups Jun 02, 1:02pm Thanks so much to subject expert @nguyenist for hosting this #geowebchat! If you want to host, or have ideas for future topics, let me know!

@nguyenist Jun 02, 1:02pm Thanks @mappingmashups for organizing another great #geowebchat!

@jeresuikkila Jun 02, 1:02pm @mappingmashups @nguyenist suggesting @philiphubs to host about #geocoding. #geowebchat

@geoawesomeness Jun 02, 1:03pm Check out #geowebchat by @mappingmashups! Its one awesome geo chat hashtag #Geoawesomeness

@muthukumarceg Jun 02, 1:04pm @jeresuikkila @mappingmashups @nguyenist @philiphubs looking forward to the next #geowebchat

@oeon Jun 02, 1:18pm Long time listener, first time caller to #geowebchat. I like @MAPS_ME, “Fast & detailed offline maps of the whole world”…includes routing.

@oeon Jun 02, 1:18pm …live in a rural county w/out complete cell coverage…work w emergency responders…have rec’d this app to help them navigate #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 02, 1:26pm hi @nroose! thought someone else’d throw #augmentedReality into the mix + it’s already pretty solidly part of the mindset. #geowebchat

@nguyenist Jun 02, 1:35pm The future of transportation cc: #geowebchat @mappingmashups

@nguyenist Jun 04, 4:50am Recommended nav apps from #geowebchat:
@here @mapillary @mapkin @Citymapper @scout @Chimani @Garmin OSM SFOBikePaths

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#geowebchat transcript, 5 May 2015: How can newbies contribute productively to humanitarian mapping?

@mappingmashups May 05, 8:43am Today on #geowebchat: how can newbies contribute meaningfully to #CrisisMapping? Join us 12pm PDT (Tue May 5) More:…

@erikfriesen May 05, 8:45am @mappingmashups perfect timing! Going to be helping some newbies @SMU get started w crisis mapping tonight #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 10:49am Today’s #geowebchat: Humanitarian mapping & #NepalEarthquake: Join us at 12pm PT, 19:00 UTC, Tue May 5. #Map4Nepal #EqResponseNp cc @hotosm

@RussellDeffner May 05, 11:31am Looking forward to the #geowebchat regarding mapping for #NepalEarthquake I am part of the wonderfully amazing @hotosm community.

@mappingmashups May 05, 11:53am @danielpunkass Hey Daniel, we’re about to have a twitter chat about newbies & Nepal mapping. Maybe join & share your experience? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 11:54am #gistribe: you may want to join our #geowebchat about Nepal humanitarian mapping, starting in a few minutes…

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:00pm Hi everyone! Welcome to our monthly #geowebchat. We’re talking about humanitarian mapping in Nepal: how can newbies contribute productively?

@jgVisov May 05, 12:01pm Hello! RT @mappingmashups #gistribe: you may want to join our #geowebchat about Nepal humanitarian mapping, starting in a few minutes…

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:01pm As always, if you want to follow along with #geowebchat, try a tool like To ignore us, mute the hashtag.

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:03pm .@jgVisov Welcome to #geowebchat! As we get started, who has experience to share either leading or participating in #Map4Nepal mapathons?

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:04pm To get the discussion started, @ClausRinner wrote this blog post about his experiences:… #geowebchat

@neogeografen May 05, 12:06pm Some stats about newbies in Nepal mapping #geowebchat “2,876 of these mappers are new to OpenStreetMap”

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:06pm A lot of #maptime chapters have held @hotosm #Map4Nepal mapathons in the last week, anyone attend one of those? #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:06pm @mappingmashups Thanks for inviting me. As a newbie trying to get into it, basic mapping skills are well covered. Issues seem #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:07pm @neogeografen Good point. Many people are new to OSM in general, not just @hotosm tasks. Are HOT tasks a good intro to OSM? #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:07pm @mappingmashups Naively going to the OSMTM many of the tasks listed state they are suited for advanced mappers. Hard to find #geowebchat

@bondaharper May 05, 12:08pm @mappingmashups Hi all! We had a Nepal mapathon at work. All were new to OSM except myself and leader. #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:08pm @mappingmashups appropriate starter tasks that a newb would feel comfortable doing, and know it’s being done right. #geowebchat

@bondaharper May 05, 12:09pm @mappingmashups Newbies seem to want to do it right. Helps to sit with an experienced user and watch for awhile #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:10pm @danielpunkass Because @ClausRinner’s experience was similar: his group had lots of GIS experience, but less OSM experience #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:10pm @mappingmashups A little of both, I had some basic understanding of mapping tech, intros filled gaps. Hangup is getting to work. #geowebchat

@Enock4seth May 05, 12:10pm Starting with OSM is sometimes difficult though, but they first should get to know how stuffs work. #geowebchat…

@neogeografen May 05, 12:11pm @mappingmashups HOT TM learning on your own not good (lots of GIS lingo like TMS)- mapping parties is the way to go #geowebchat @hotosm

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:11pm @mappingmashups Something e.g. Mechanical Turk jobs tend to do well is show one clear example of a successful task execution. #geowebchat

@RalphAytoun1 May 05, 12:11pm #geowebchat @TheMissingMaps Newbies have already making significant contribution in Nepal via HOT Tasking Manager.

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:11pm @mappingmashups In the case e.g. of “random task” failure, it may be because there are no undone tiles left. But that’s common. #geowebchat

@RussellDeffner May 05, 12:11pm I participated in the DC Maptime event last Friday – I think there was over 100 people and we crippled the wifi :) #geowebchat

@skorasaurus May 05, 12:12pm HOT shows tangible benefit to new ppl, though Nepal is harder than others (elevation, poor aerial imagery) #geowebchat

@steviejrich May 05, 12:12pm @mappingmashups A few friendly “How tos…” on youtube would be good. Mind, I haven’t checked… #geowebchat

@bondaharper May 05, 12:12pm @neogeografen @mappingmashups @hotosm I agree mapping parties are best. It helps to have a screen everyone can see for a demo #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:14pm @mappingmashups Currently the OSMTM tasks page is geared towards experienced mappers. Would be better to gear towards newbs. #geowebchat

@skorasaurus May 05, 12:14pm @steviejrich @mappingmashups gifs would be awesome too #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:14pm @mappingmashups With the assumption that experienced mappers already know how to navigate the site and get to useful jobs #geowebchat

@neogeografen May 05, 12:15pm regarding mapping parties is the same & same ppl again & again who is host/educators – ppl running tired #geowebchat new fresh ppl needed

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:16pm @skorasaurus @steviejrich The @MapGive videos are nice for super-beginners, but they don’t get into @hotosm specifics, just #osm #geowebchat

@RussellDeffner May 05, 12:17pm If you have not visited yet, I suggest working through some of the training modules at #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:17pm @mappingmashups Also one of the first things I tried was to “Sort By” experience. Provide a filter for newb-friendly tasks? #geowebchat

@mikedotonline May 05, 12:17pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat If those new GIS want pointers on how to use open source GIS, has plenty of tutorials

@Enock4seth May 05, 12:18pm @mappingmashups Tutorials that talk about how to do one thing and only one thing at a time. #geowebchat

@mikedotonline May 05, 12:19pm @mappingmashups also, mappingacrossborders would be happy to host some more tutorials on how to use @hotosm too, if it helps #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:20pm @bondaharper Yes, that’s good advice. Even doing “pair mapping” with two newbies can help you learn quicker than mapping solo. #geowebchat

@RalphAytoun1 May 05, 12:20pm #geowebchat Amazing number newbies joined mapping community to help make mapping Nepal possible. Follow up in progress to guide them

@bondaharper May 05, 12:20pm @Enock4seth @mappingmashups Single topic tutorials are great idea. Then you can focus on roads 1st, buildings 2nd, etc #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:21pm @mappingmashups Some of the tasks don’t even say “Not for beginners” until after you click through. #geowebchat

@skorasaurus May 05, 12:21pm @RussellDeffner big reason why they haven’t been done yet #geowebchat

@RussellDeffner May 05, 12:21pm (p1/2) Two excellent ways to connect, ask questions, to @hotosm live – for text-chat … #geowebchat

@RussellDeffner May 05, 12:22pm (p2/2) For text and voice: #geowebchat

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:24pm How about new users being provided access to watch experienced mappers work live on specific TM projects? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:25pm @mataharimhairi That’s a great idea. Like a live screenshare you can drop into during an activation? #geowebchat

@Enock4seth May 05, 12:26pm @RussellDeffner depending on users Internet connectivity. I think text/image tuts works best. @mappingmashups @MapGive @hotosm #geowebchat

@Enock4seth May 05, 12:27pm @bondaharper Perfect! @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:27pm 1/ @RussellDeffner @mappingmashups @skorasaurus @MapGive videos intended to on-board new users, teach @hotosm tasking manager #geowebchat

@JamesLMilner May 05, 12:28pm hello #geowebchat !

@joannalane May 05, 12:28pm #geowebchat about humanitarian mapping in Nepal starting now: how can newbies contribute productively? Follow and contribute.

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:28pm 2/ @RussellDeffner @mappingmashups @skorasaurus @steviejrich @MapGive videos are fully captioned, designed for translation. #geowebchat

@OLjohnel May 05, 12:28pm OSM learning curve over past week has been challenging but not insurmountable. If I did chat, I probably would be further along. #geowebchat

@neogeografen May 05, 12:28pm FYI #geowebchat more stats…

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:29pm @neogeografen To avoid mapping party organizer burnout, maybe follow #maptime model of training trainers and teaching teachers? #geowebchat

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:29pm @mappingmashups Exactly! Live viewing during an activation to help them with identifying features in the satellite imagery #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:30pm 3/ @RussellDeffner @mappingmashups @skorasaurus @hotosm Task specifics intended to be covered in individual tracing guides #geowebchat

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:30pm @RussellDeffner We definitely want to incorporate some kind of chat channel for mappers in the TM projects #geowebchat

@RalphAytoun1 May 05, 12:30pm #geowebchat Tasking Manager has many other tasks that newbies can do, not just Nepal. Just scroll down. See

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:30pm @mataharimhairi Or even screenshots of what experienced mappers are seeing. Make it easier for them to share quick snapshots? #geowebchat

@pierzen May 05, 12:31pm #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake This is quite an intensive response and ++ new users. I estimate 8 million objects edited in 10 days.

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:32pm @RalphAytoun1 Good point. In @bethschechter’s #maptime announcement (…) she encourages other HOT tasks too. #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:32pm @mappingmashups It’s nice that they give the links to the tutorials but don’t know if they taught me what this terminology means #geowebchat

@pierzen May 05, 12:32pm #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake Mapathons are a good entrance. We need organizers to support / validate new participants tracing.

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:33pm @RalphAytoun1 Nepal still needs help, but if a HOT volunteer can more easily learn how to map some other tasks, that’s great too #geowebchat

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:33pm @mappingmashups Yes, the ability to capture snapshots that they can share via the instructions page on the TM project tab #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:33pm @mappingmashups Sorry, the information about this terminology is within the detailed instructions for the task. Read as pre-req. #geowebchat

@RussellDeffner May 05, 12:33pm @mataharimhairi I think also having ‘mini-modules’ that could be easily accessed from the TM – somehow link to @learnosm? #geowebchat

@Enock4seth May 05, 12:35pm @RalphAytoun1 One thing is most newbies knowing OSM via really want to help with urgent tasks. #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:35pm @danielpunkass @mappingmashups #geowebchat Has to be more than written instructions. Visual guides needed 4 each task

@OLjohnel May 05, 12:36pm A video of a mapathon and/or summary of beginners questions re OSM & Nepal with answers could be useful. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:37pm @danielpunkass Yeah, good descriptions are tough… especially because many mappers are not native English speakers #geowebchat

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:37pm @RussellDeffner Mini-modules linking from the TM project page would also be beneficial. Just have to ensure not to overload. #geowebchat

@pierzen May 05, 12:37pm #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake various communication channels possible. Experienced #openstreetmap contributors to take initiatives > support

@pierzen May 05, 12:39pm #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake Dynamic Tutorials – Integrate instructions into ID and JOSM editors for example.

@OLjohnel May 05, 12:40pm I wonder if directing experienced GIS /inexperienced OSM folks towards QGIS/OSM could help them with transitional issues? #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:40pm #geowebchat Fundamental problems w/ @hotosm activations, need dedicated staff to build tracing guides, rate sub-task difficulty, verify data

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:40pm @mappingmashups I can’t see from the OSMTM how difficult the satellite imagery will be to see. So I lock/unlock. Frustrating. #geowebchat

@neogeografen May 05, 12:41pm OSM Utopia world within every 10 km > world there is a person who can give a face to face introduction/learning for newbies #geowebchat

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:41pm @pierzen Experienced guide beginners. And we provide the tools like chat channels, live video and dynamic tutorials to do so #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:42pm 2/ #geowebchat current @hotosm system has no mechanism for directing users to appropriate tasks or evaluating quality, this is a huge flaw

@FoFB7 May 05, 12:43pm @pierzen hello #geowebchat i’am at #Togo

@RalphAytoun1 May 05, 12:43pm #geowebchat Newbies must understand that logging on does not make experts, that takes time, what they have done is brilliant so far.

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:44pm @RussellDeffner Ha ha :) Definitely the mapper! And too much information can be confusing for beginners knowing where to start #geowebchat

@BlakeGirardot May 05, 12:44pm So who wants to try some live Nepal mapping training right now via google hangout? New mappers welcome… #geowebchat

@RussellDeffner May 05, 12:44pm @danielpunkass @Enock4seth @mappingmashups Ah, so maybe a way to either preview the imagery or have ‘imagery difficulty’ rating #geowebchat

@spatialbits May 05, 12:45pm I think its really important that newbees don’t validate at the beginning. This leads to huge quality issues. #geowebchat

@pierzen May 05, 12:45pm @disruptivegeo #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake Every @hotosm Repsonse is different. This time, weather, landslides, remote villages.

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:45pm @RussellDeffner @Enock4seth @mappingmashups Yes, quickly previewing would help a lot in predicting suitability of a task. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:45pm @RussellDeffner @danielpunkass @Enock4seth Would be useful, but hard, because imagery might be updated after creation of task #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:46pm @mappingmashups @RussellDeffner @Enock4seth Ah, because the mechanics of overlaying the imagery is all done on-demand? #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:47pm @mappingmashups @RussellDeffner @Enock4seth Even if I could generate imagery and peek without lock/unlock I’d feel better. #geowebchat

@FoFB7 May 05, 12:47pm @Enock4seth @RalphAytoun1 I think it is important that newbies take time to read the tasks instructuions #geowebchat @pierzen

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:47pm @BlakeGirardot I’ll join the google hangout training to see how it is! I might be half there and half in twittersphere though #geowebchat

@Enock4seth May 05, 12:48pm @pierzen Am sure ID and Potlatch 2 has. Since JOSM is for experience users is there need for any integrated instructions? #geowebchat

@pierzen May 05, 12:48pm #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake @BlakeGirardot Nice this hangout session, I am connected.

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:49pm @danielpunkass Well, for some tasks you are given a specific overlay to use, other times it’s auto-updated like Mapbox, Bing. #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:49pm 1/ Read Benkler (….) for explanation of necessary criteria of peer production systems #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:50pm @spatialbits Yes, making validation only possible for approved users might not be too hard to implement. #geowebchat

@danielpunkass May 05, 12:50pm @mappingmashups I think if difficulty level could be somewhat formalized and tagged on tasks, it would be very helpful. #geowebchat

@bondaharper May 05, 12:51pm @spatialbits I agree that validation should have some restrictions. Not sure if OSM experience level is best indicator #geowebchat

@spatialbits May 05, 12:52pm @mappingmashups I wonder how to define those criteria though. Even some users with a lot of OSM experience validate shi* #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:54pm @spatialbits It is something that @hotosm can manage? Maybe they can “deputize” trusted people as validators? #geowebchat

@RussellDeffner May 05, 12:55pm @mappingmashups @Enock4seth @danielpunkass Many moving parts reg imagery; but think it doable for coordinators to rate poor-good #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:55pm 2/ Inability to direct users to tasks of appropriate difficulty & no quality control risk decreasing motivation & use #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:55pm @spatialbits I agree it’s not correlated w/ OSM experience, but rather @hotosm experience & familiarity with the tasks’s needs. #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 12:57pm 3/ need to develop new systems to crowdsource data validation, this leads to user ranking & assigning appropriate tasks #geowebchat

@mataharimhairi May 05, 12:57pm @BlakeGirardot @pierzen This google hangout training is great. Can it be recorded? Then it can be linked through the TM project?#geowebchat

@bondaharper May 05, 12:58pm @spatialbits peer-review system would be good set up so as not to alienate willing helpers, but direct to best task for skill #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 12:58pm Thanks everybody for joining this lively #geowebchat. We’re about at the end of our hour. Any last thoughts?

@RalphAytoun1 May 05, 12:59pm #geowebchat All done by volunteers so be understanding. They are processing new tasks and imagery all the time.

@bondaharper May 05, 12:59pm @mappingmashups Lots of beginners is a great problem to have! I was touched how many of my co-workers gave up lunch to learn #geowebchat

@mataharimhairi May 05, 1:00pm @mappingmashups Is this #geowebchat a weekly event? It was very informative and I would like to join again!

@mappingmashups May 05, 1:00pm I’ll post the #geowebchat transcript here in a couple days: Our next chat is in 1 month.

@RussellDeffner May 05, 1:00pm @mappingmashups Thanks for putting this together, let’s do it again soon – great ideas that we’ll capture @hotosm #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 05, 1:01pm The next #geowebchat will be guest-hosted by @nguyenist! We’ll be talking about navigation apps. Tuesday June 2, same time: 12pm PDT 3pm EDT

@CiaranStaunton May 05, 1:02pm #geowebchat maybe make another webchat #wheniwasanewbie and get over the experience caste system??

@mataharimhairi May 05, 1:05pm @hotosm Great #geowebchat today. Check out the transcript if you missed it. There are a lot of brilliant ideas!…

@mappingmashups May 05, 1:08pm @mataharimhairi Thanks to all the @hotosm participants who joined the #geowebchat today!

@pierzen May 05, 1:11pm #geowebchat Actually, 84 simultaneous contributors around the world mapping for #NepalEarthquake @hotosm Response

@BlakeGirardot May 05, 1:29pm Next time I live map I have to get the audio and text working, sorry about that :( #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo May 05, 3:48pm @Stellar0645 I believe crowd mapping is an incredible force for good, reason for @MapGive, but we must fix user & quality issues #geowebchat

@jgVisov May 06, 1:18am #geowebchat This large job is open to all: Pre-quake building footprints are useful for damage analysis #gistribe 1/2

@jgVisov May 06, 1:19am #geowebchat View @BlakeGirardot recorded video to see him live @hotosm mapping… #gistribe @pierzen 2/2

@neogeomat May 06, 5:53am #geowebchat many drones were used for news in #NepalQuake . uav image can be better as it’s difficult to identify collapsed structures.

@pedrito1414 May 06, 5:54am #geowebchat Late to party, but a couple of points… 1. Mapathons need to be regular in order to build skills, create new gen. of validators

@pedrito1414 May 06, 5:55am #geowebchat 2. Skilled mappers should not be tracing buildings! They should prep tasks, create guides & then newbies do the simple stuff.

@pedrito1414 May 06, 5:57am #geowebchat The way forward is through intelligent tasking. #MissingMaps is working on this for large AOIs. Documentation soon.

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#geowebchat transcript, 7 April 2015: Burger Cartography

@mappingmashups Apr 02, 5:19pm Next #geowebchat, we continue the “Burger Cartography” debate started by @andrewxhill:… Join us Tue Apr 7 12pm PDT!

@mappingmashups Apr 04, 9:15pm RT @ClausRinner: My 2 cents re debate btwn @andrewxhill @kennethfield @spatialanalysis @kyjts,… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 05, 2:00pm .@mappingmashups @andrewxhill How much of burger cartography is ab ‘more hack less yak’? Looking fwd to Tues 3pmEDT #geowebchat #neogeoweb

@re_sieber Apr 05, 2:49pm How many tropical forests have been destroyed to supply us w burger cartography? RT:@geozeal maps now a throw-away commodity #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 06, 10:02am in time for burger cartography #geowebchat tmr, the Kobe Beef cartography of Beautiful Maps tumblr

@re_sieber Apr 06, 6:14pm A conversation w @mapsbynik the cartographer whose maps go viral… good prep for tmr’s #geowebchat via @rachelgbloom1

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:00pm Hi! Welcome to our monthly #geowebchat! Today we’re talking about @andrewxhill’s “In Defense of Burger Cartography”…

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:01pm If you want to join #geowebchat, make sure you include the hashtag in all your tweets. To ignore us, mute the hashtag in your twitter client

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:02pm You might want to try a tool like to follow along with #geowebchat.

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:02pm I’m not unsympathetic to… but I do bristle @ “dogma of cartog”. Do we also say “dogma of physics”? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:03pm Some more interesting thoughts about “Quick-Service Mapping” by @ClausRinner for #geowebchat:…

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:04pm @re_sieber Well, sometimes we might! Latour anyone? But surely cartography doesn’t make claims to hard science like “physics” #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:05pm I want to support neogeographers-all of us!-making maps but maps can lie, eg maps not normalized by pop density #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:05pm RT @andrewxhill: Physics uses the scientific method to arrive at understanding. Cartog dips into more flavors of rule creation #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:07pm .@andrewxhill @mappingmashups I chose physics as edge case. But we cud also say ‘dogma of biology’, ‘dogma of sociology’ #geowebchat

@insistondoubt Apr 07, 12:07pm @re_sieber Feminist and other critics of science (Karen Barad, Donna Haraway, Sandra Harding, Bruno Latour) will do this, yes. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:08pm .@mappingmashups Well cartography (geoviz) is trying in parts to become more scientific #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:08pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups I still think it’s there, biology has many admitted dogmas. it’s known and worked with #geowebchat

@geothinkca Apr 07, 12:08pm You also wouldn’t see the casual journalist dipping into ‘physics’ to illustrate a story idea #geowebchat…

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:09pm And here’s the original post that started today’s #geowebchat conversation:…

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:09pm #geowebchat Whats with the hexbin in burger maps? Aside from it geometric-props like tessellation. Why not existing soc/admin bounds?

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:09pm .@insistondoubt There’s a difference btwn critique & DIY. Burger Cartography offers more of latter #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:11pm .@terra_tenney Hexabins are used bc neogeog can’t find jurisdictional boundary files. So aggreg by arbitrary polygon #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:12pm Argument is don’t be lazy w/twitmapps but why resort to arbitrary space when existing ones have meaning of sorts? #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 Apr 07, 12:14pm IMHO seems like burger cartography is not really a problem, rather burger maps claiming to say more than they actually do #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:14pm #geowebchat ok sorry- back to hegemony.

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:14pm @terra_tenney that have a lot of good reasons for their binned approach, give floatingship archives a skim for their ideas #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:16pm @andrewxhill @mappingmashups Can we prevent an anti-dogma, which can be as powerful as a dogma? Goal is to make good maps #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:17pm @andrewxhill #geowebchat question stands to flootingsheep – I understand the geom-advan but when does hex of space connect to hex of place?

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:17pm @terra_tenney #geowebchat note they also use hexbins…

@vtcraghead Apr 07, 12:18pm @re_sieber @andrewxhill @mappingmashups My personal fave is the anti-anti-dogma. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:18pm cc @floating_sheep RT @terra_tenney: #geowebchat I understand the geom-advan but when does hex of space connect to hex of place?

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:21pm @andrewxhill @mappingmashups Good cartography also means following some rules. Do you accept that? Or is it ‘map whatever’ #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Apr 07, 12:22pm @re_sieber @andrewxhill @mappingmashups Straw man alert. #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:23pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups do’h, keep forgetting the #geowebchat. Heck yeah, we shouldn’t abandon all knowledge

@floating_sheep Apr 07, 12:23pm Reasons to use hexbins, pt. 1/2: the modifiable areal unit problem. #geowebchat

@floating_sheep Apr 07, 12:23pm Reasons to use hexbins, pt. 2/2: they are a no more arbitrary way of dividing up spatial units than administrative boundaries. #geowebchat

@ClausRinner Apr 07, 12:23pm #geowebchat: Does the carto dogma/anti-dogma discussion apply to mapping any big data, not just tweets?

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:24pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups #geowebchat, but at the same time, you must understand that your rule may not define what you are seeing

@rmcooper4 Apr 07, 12:24pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups I read @andrewxhill as encouraging playfulness, not an all-out dismissal of cartographic conventions #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:25pm @rmcooper4 @re_sieber @mappingmashups exactly, despite some of the responses. oh well! #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:25pm @floating_sheep #geowebchat – Something I’ve questioned too – but MAUP isnt necessarily solved by hexbins.

@atepoorthuis Apr 07, 12:25pm @terra_tenney Among others, existing geometries are arbitrary too. Hexbins are at least explicit about this. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:25pm .@andrewxhill @mappingmashups If you accept some rules then there’s a blurry line btwn that & dogma. That’s all I’m saying #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:26pm @floating_sheep Admin bounds have lots of ‘non-arbitrary’ meaning. I.e., they are administrative boundaries. #geowebchat

@rastrau Apr 07, 12:26pm Sometimes difficult decision: arbitrary units to avoid MAUP vs. depicting admin units (i.e. level at which decisions are made) #geowebchat

@DiptoSrkr Apr 07, 12:27pm isn’t #neogeoweb about opening doors of cartography for creative exploration? Keep whats good & discard the rest. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:28pm .@rmcooper4 @mappingmashups @andrewxhill I understandably bristle @ use of term dogma in cartography #geowebchat #WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges

@monosim Apr 07, 12:29pm @floatingsheep it’s great for relieving the reader of having to deal with normalizing areas like census tracks. #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 Apr 07, 12:29pm .@andrewxhill I think many ‘dogmatic’ carto folks would contend they’ve always practiced ‘sin’ of burger cart inconspicuously #geowebchat

@ClausRinner Apr 07, 12:30pm #geowebchat, @DiptoSrkr – My main concern w/ @andrewxhill post: You dont have to “discard the rest”. Just add, adjust, modify existing rules

@kennethfield Apr 07, 12:30pm Creative expression, playfulness etc has always been part of cart. It’s vital but it’s not new #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:31pm @rmcooper4 I am a huge practicioner of burger cartography. often looking for edge cases that are unexpected #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:31pm FYI to the dogma sidebar RT @Esri: Maps are critical tools for inspiring action…protecting communities #geowebchat

@alexbhill Apr 07, 12:31pm @mappingmashups @floatingsheep @terra_tenney Hex place = Central Place Theory #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:33pm @alexbhill @mappingmashups @floatingsheep #geowebchat Christaller loved some hexbin ~ unfortunately that geom pattern failed to play 4real

@rmcooper4 Apr 07, 12:33pm .@andrewxhill But I think you are wanting people to be more open with their burger cartography, no?#geowebchat

@ebrelsford Apr 07, 12:34pm to what degree is the burger cartography problem one of the viewer’s map literacy as opposed to “mapping wrong”? #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:34pm Long live MAUP and hexbins are hip #geowebchat #HatersGonnaHate

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:34pm .@kennethfield my concern is forgetting that maps can hurt.That’s what some of the rules are for, to ameliorate some of the hurt #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:37pm .@ebrelsford Exactly. Some of it’s map literacy. But some is map construction, lk normalizing for pop #geowebchat

@kennethfield Apr 07, 12:37pm .@re_sieber I know I appear intransigent on what ppl refer to as rules. They’re guides, largely based on research & practice #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:38pm @kennethfield @re_sieber totally. this. 100% #geowebchat

@kennethfield Apr 07, 12:39pm .@re_sieber breaking rules is fine if u know what ur doing (or get lucky) & map message is clear & not accompanied by hyperbole #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:40pm @kennethfield @re_sieber you just listed rules #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:40pm @andrewxhill @kennethfield I’m all for calling rules guides, if we get more ppl intd in lessons learned from long hist of cartog #geowebchat

@geodosu Apr 07, 12:40pm “[Maps] of course, are never true… [fortunately] it is only necessary that they be useful.” with apologies to George Box #geowebchat

@kennethfield Apr 07, 12:41pm Problem we all face is our map readers are likely I’ll equipped to know a reasonable map from the general fayre. Hence ‘rules’ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:42pm RT @atepoorthuis: @terra_tenney Christaller never mistook ideal type theory with reality. Come discuss :)… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:44pm .@geodosu Nietschmann: “more indigenous territory has been claimed by maps than by guns” Maps can b playful;they’e also powerful #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:45pm @re_sieber @geodosu #rules…#geowebchat

@mapperz Apr 07, 12:45pm #geowebchat of course after burgers you need a good… #osm

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:46pm Sure, @terra_tenney, you can go to #AAG2015, as long as it doesnt cost me $ @atepoorthuis @alexbhill @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 12:46pm @kennethfield hmm… this depends on your intent making the map. I think the twitter maps generate the response intended. #geowebchat

@terra_tenney Apr 07, 12:48pm RT @re_sieber: Sure, you can go to #AAG2015, as long as it doesnt cost me $ @atepoorthuis @alexbhill @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@jscarto Apr 07, 12:48pm (1/2) First it was projections. Now color schemes / perceptual science. It’s lovely that a new audience is interested in cart #geowebchat

@kennethfield Apr 07, 12:49pm .@ClausRinner @re_sieber it doesn’t work. San Bernardino proves it. Largest county visually dominates & skews interpretation #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:50pm .@andrewxhill ‘twitter maps generate response intended’. Yes,& all wrong conclusions ab areas lk Africa.A prob w maps wo rules #geowebchat

@kennethfield Apr 07, 12:51pm .@jscarto I agree… which is why I call for evolution, not revolution or divisions based on seduction of tech #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:51pm .@jscarto YES: ‘success of cart is founded on its rigor, which builds upon rather than discards this science + convention’ #geowebchat

@jscarto Apr 07, 12:49pm (2/2) …but the success of cart is founded on its rigor, which builds upon rather than discards this science + convention #geowebchat

@mbccohen Apr 07, 12:53pm @jscarto How often will the #geowebchat be?

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 12:54pm @mbccohen @jscarto #geowebchat is monthly, on the 1st Tuesday of the month.

@monosim Apr 07, 12:55pm Intent is important….which is why methodology and sources are important to include…wouldn’t want to mislead the reader #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:55pm @mbccohen @jscarto Currently #geowebchat is once per month

@kennethfield Apr 07, 12:56pm It’s not twitter maps at fault per se. It’s the data. The map masks fundamental problems that cart doesn’t accommodate #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:59pm .@kennethfield Sure, prob w Twitter is data (e.g., skewing) but you can’t get away from probs in analysis & viz #geowebchat

@re_sieber Apr 07, 12:59pm Last thoughts ab burger cartography? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 1:00pm Well, we’ve reached the end of our hour-long #geowebchat. Feel free to keep chatting. Transcript will be posted here:

@kennethfield Apr 07, 1:00pm Too many burger maps are data dumps. Often beautiful but low on cart to encode meaning. Frontier for research is to find ways #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 1:00pm @rmcooper4 totally. but also we should look at a lot of this playful map making and figure out if there are things we can learn #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Apr 07, 1:01pm Next #geowebchat will be in one month, on May 5th, same time: 12pm PDT 3pm EDT, 20:00 BST. I’m open to topic suggestions!

@mapperz Apr 07, 1:01pm ” at the data conversion process >visual QA must be performed”… #geowebchat

@andrewxhill Apr 07, 1:04pm Thanks #geowebchat! For more on burger cartography, see here haha :)

@geozeal Apr 07, 1:06pm Commodity maps like “burger maps” most often equivalent to chartjunk, just more image noise in our visual environments. #geowebchat

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