#geowebchat transcript, 19 June 2012

@mattmoehr Jun 18, 9:30am @mappingmashups Is there a theme for tomorrow’s #geowebchat? I was going to message wisc lists about that and #geoweb-r.

@mappingmashups Jun 18, 9:31am @mattmoehr The theme for #geowebchat will be a #sheepcamp debrief. Good opportunity for non-attendees to ask questions about what happened.

@mappingmashups Jun 18, 2:44pm Reminder: tomorrow’s #geowebchat is a review of the #sheepcamp unconference on Big and User Generated Geodata. 3p ET. All welcome! Pls RT.

@alogicalfallacy 9:14am Doing some errands, might miss #geowebchat. If so, #1 thing learned at #sheepcamp *never* eat what @jts_geo recommends. #Heartburn4Lyfe

@re_sieber 10:02am Next #geowebchat Working with Big and User Generated Geographic Data, review of last week’s #sheepcamp Today 3pmET

@erictheise 11:49am Waiting for #geowebchat to start, noon, first time I’m sitting in. In a meeting+demo in the real world, too, so probably read-only.

@mappingmashups 11:51am Hi everyone, #geowebchat is starting in a few minutes. Topic: debrief of #sheepcamp floatingsheep.org/2012/06/sheep-…. Hope to see a lot of new faces!

@mappingmashups 11:52am Tips for first time #geowebchat ppl: Always remember to include the hashtag. Also try this online tool for following: tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat

@mappingmashups 11:56am This #geowebchat has 4 parts: 1) introductions, 2) results/projects (biggest part), 3) autocritique (what worked or didn’t), 4) next steps

@pamelagdempsey 12:00pm Looking forward to talk #sheepcamp with #geowebchat – lots of interesting intersections between journalists and geographers #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:00pm Okay everyone, it’s #geowebchat time. Since we probably have a lot of new people, can we do a round of introductions?

@mappingmashups 12:02pm Intro: I’m doing a PhD at UBC on various aspects of the geoweb. I attended #sheepcamp (I think I travelled the furthest). #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:02pm I’m Monica Stephens, one of the @floating_sheep and a geog PhD candidate. I’m looking forward to hearing from you all. #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:02pm Hi, I’m a web developer in San Francisco, Ruby on Rails, PostGIS, OpenLayers, Leaflet. AAG member, PhD in operations research. #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:02pm Hi. First time #geowebchat ing for me. I’m Matt Moehr, PHD student in sociology at Univ of Wisconsin.

@mappingmashups 12:02pm I was also at #ironsheep at #aag2012. At #sheepcamp I gave a lightning talk about “Countermapping DigiPlace and the olympics” #geowebchat

@pamelagdempsey 12:03pm Pam Dempsey, journalist, @cucitizenaccess and @IJEC from @Illinois_Alma and @flotaing_sheep camper #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 12:03pm Ryan Cooper, MA student at Kentucky looking at suburban identity and reps of suburbia in the geoweb #geowebchat #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:03pm I’m Jim Thatcher, a PhD candidate at Clark. I write a lot about technology and social theory. I love databases and teach GIS. #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 12:03pm Name is Korey. MS student at U of Utah. Interested in how user-generated info via Twitter can be used during disaster/crises #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:03pm Kristen G, PhD Student from City Univ of NY. Attended sheepcamp this wknd. Gave lightning talk about emotion mapping #geowebchat

@geoparadigm 12:03pm I am Alex Chaucer, a GIS Instructional Technologist at #SkidmoreCollege and I have a meeting at 3:30 #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:04pm oh yea, at #sheepcamp I gave a talk about Guns, Germans and StripClubs on OpenStreetMap. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:04pm Andy Shears, Asst Prof at UW-Fox Valley. Interested in #geoweb stuff and #pedagogy #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:04pm Dan Goff, super senior undergrad at Va Tech. Exploring the world of GIscience and meteorology, looking for master’s ideas. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:05pm I’m prof of #paleogeo GIS and #neogeoweb #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:05pm Sorry, W = Wisconsin. #geowebchat #provincialism

@mappingmashups 12:05pm Clarifying: @floating_sheep is a collective, #ironsheep is a hackathon they hosted in Feb, & #sheepcamp was last wknd’s unconf. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:06pm Further clarifying: I am not part of @floating_sheep, just a sheep fan. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:07pm and @wilsonism, a UK professor is busy getting his fancy-urban hair cut at the salon… :) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:07pm Great, good to see we’ve got some good representation here. (And I hope there are others who are lurking, which is always fine). #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:07pm So what was learned at the un learning experience? #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:08pm @mappingmashups didn’t you have a 4 point agenda? #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:08pm we’ve put some stuff on floatingsheep.org for the weekends progress. I recommend you check it out. #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:08pm seemed like it was often broken up into 2 “groups”: research-agenda setting and skills learning #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:08pm @geographiliac I hope wherever @wilsonism is getting it cut, they give him a PBR. That’s the standard by which I judge haircuts. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:09pm @re_sieber Yes, let’s get taking about question #2, what did we actually do. Anyone want to list some of the projects/groups? #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:09pm Alanna, MS student @ U OR. Lightning/wildfire thesis, interests also in geoweb, transport, food, digital divide #geowebchat #sheepcamp’ed

@geoparadigm 12:09pm Can someone clarify the origin of the sheep usage, so at least I don’t feel like the only one being left out? #geowebchat #sheepabuse

@mappingmashups 12:09pm @geoparadigm The origin of the floating sheep is lost in the mists of time… #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:10pm sheep usage: floatingsheep.org/p/why-floating… #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:10pm @kg_geomapper Very true. The groups seemed focused on “gaps” in the lit/knowledge base – either in ourselves or the field. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:10pm the Sheeping of things is because of the floatingsheep.org blog started by @geoplace and @mattzook. #geowebchat

@wilsonism 12:11pm I have to run, unfortunately, but I’m most excited about working on the intervention/agenda piece for ACME. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:11pm Some things we worked on: started a geoweb bibliography (contact @jts_geo), created the geoweb-r mailing list… #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:12pm @alogicalfallacy @kg_geomapper What gaps are there in lit base and where do they lie? Techie/skills? Ideology? Sociology? #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:12pm @alogicalfallacy & I think those of us desperate for skills will contribute more to “theorizing” once we know what we’re doing. #geowebchat

@geoparadigm 12:12pm My research: “If we can float a sheep, we can do anything.” Inspirational. Enough for me…moving on. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:12pm …worked on a framework for all the technical components of geoweb projects, and what tools are available for each part… #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:12pm as far as “what did we do”, I think creating a listserv (thanks @mappingmashups), starting CFPs for the AAG, and agenda piece. #geowebchat

@wilsonism 12:13pm My interests in the ACME piece is an extension of my Beyond Counting Sheep presentation. bit.ly/Pm8viw #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:13pm Also recent talk of a collaborative “creation” of geoweb “app” that turns into code-base/online lessons for geoweb researchers. #geowebchat

@pamelagdempsey 12:13pm applied for a grant from the @knightfdn to develop a cool mapping tool #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:13pm Yes, we’re working on an #AAG2013 CFP that will hopefully become a full symposium. Some also worked on a Knight Foundation pitch #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:14pm @re_sieber tech gaps (to me) have to do with a transition of sorts from desktop to web: APIs, coding, etc. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:14pm I realize that we’re throwing out lots of projects w/out links. Most of these are Google Docs. #sheepcamp-ers, are these public? #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:14pm @mappingmashups @geoparadigm #geowebchat See also floatingsheep.org/p/why-floating… which the best explanation out there

@mattmoehr 12:14pm @kg_geomapper @alogicalfallacy the ‘ability to code’ came up a lot. Tho, ‘ability to GIS’ had the same debate in the 90s. right? #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:15pm @mappingmashups these are not public #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm @alogicalfallacy You mean collaborative creation of a sample app, with the main goal of using it as a teaching tool? #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:15pm @mappingmashups I vote for all #sheepcamp materials can be public. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:16pm @mattmoehr @kg_geomapper @alogicalfallacy No, there wasn’t a similar explicit debate about doing GIS (i.e., Arc) #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:16pm @mappingmashups Yes. Working through the whole pipe-line of development, and having the process be public/recorded as teaching.. #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 12:16pm If it hasn’t been said, a group discussed challenges of how to leverage the #geoweb for community organizations #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:17pm @alogicalfallacy I think you are referring to the emails that came out of the weekend… Not everybody from #sheepcamp was cc’d. #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:17pm @alogicalfallacy is this the tutorial of sorts we talked about with Ate, @rmcooper4, etc.? #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:17pm @kg_geomapper That’s my plan – catch up & contribute, help others also learning. Collaborate with other beginners? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:18pm The agenda mentioned by @wilsonism & @geographiliac is meant to be an intervention piece for ACME. Also manifesto for geoweb-r? #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:18pm #geowebchat not quite, there is a bit of cleaning up and then they can be made public, plus @wilsonism is going to create a master doc

@geographiliac 12:19pm @mappingmashups I think so. Also, @wilsonism will be making .pdfs of all the google docs from the weekend to share publically. #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 12:19pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups we outlined the process from start (pulling data) to finish (visualization) in a doc somewhere #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:19pm @re_sieber @mattmoehr @kg_geomapper @alogicalfallacy Arc and GIS never had the rhetoric of democratization that the geoweb has. #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:20pm @mappingmashups @re_sieber @kg_geomapper @alogicalfallacy That sounds like an empirical claim! And a paper idea… #geowebchat

@DrHG 12:20pm Sorry I’m late. I’m cultural geographer interested in enthusiasm/motivation hoping to work w. @mhaklay and @re_sieber on citsci #geowebchat

@geoparadigm 12:20pm It’s great to see #geowebchat continuing the #sheepcamp conversation. My gripe with most conferences is that the momentum dies soon after…

@ge01d 12:20pm @GeoKoring someone took pic of the white board, I typed it all up, @mattmoehr was making a graphic. Photog needs to send him pic #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:20pm I’m showing up late too! #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:21pm @GeoKoring @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups Yep, diagram of tools for different tasks is something I’ll polish this week. #geowebchat @ge01d

@geographiliac 12:21pm @geoparadigm we tried to not be a conference. This was informal, skills sharing, topic building, not us talking/teaching. #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:21pm @GeoKoring @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups I may have taken a pic of the whiteboard, too. have to check #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:21pm .@re_sieber, was looking for yr geoweb res agenda (2008). We realize any agenda we create now must be seen as resassessment. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:21pm There was a rhetoric of democratization in desktop GIS – from dedicated programmers to “any user”. See Obermeyer 1995, etc. #geowebchat

@pamelagdempsey 12:22pm Good to know that both the geoweb & journalism has gaps in rural/underserved areas and how these are addressed in both fields. #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:22pm @mattmoehr awesome! I look forward to it #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:22pm #geowebchat Also we discussed that the research agenda could be first released as a series of tweets…..about 150 to 200

@mappingmashups 12:22pm RT @re_sieber: @mattmoehr @kg_geomapper @alogicalfallacy Arc and GIS did have a rhetoric of democratization, to other sectors #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:22pm Here’s a question for #geowebchat: Why didn’t we ever mention augmented reality at #sheepcamp? Is it not part of the geoweb anymore?

@mappingmashups 12:23pm @mattmoehr v good question. I think it’s intimately part of geoweb. But perhaps not our skill sets? Add AR to the turf battles. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:24pm @mattmoehr I think it came up, but never really as a group discussion topic. #geowebchat

@DrHG 12:24pm I know It’s not a #geowebchat topic but look at this homemade meringue pic.twitter.com/AdEzRUlN

@mappingmashups 12:24pm @geoparadigm Yes, twitter is very powerful for continuing momentum. Also for transparency during conf, & coordination at it. #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:24pm I feel like we needed more time to get into specific things. this was more thinking about what we needed/where we are headed. #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:24pm #geowebchat #sheepcamp Can everyone who has a finished product (picture, notes, document) be sure to cc me in the distribution,email is best

@GeoKoring 12:25pm @mattmoehr @ge01d looking forward to that.The ‘mapping out’ of data-to-visualization process can be a great geoweb teaching tool #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:25pm @mattmoehr At Future Internet, I was only guy talking about space. Have Augmented and the Geoweb moved apart? @nathanjurgenson #geowebchat

@CityResearch 12:26pm #sheepcamp tools & techniques group whiteboard #geowebchat instagr.am/p/MES2SJGX0q/

@mappingmashups 12:26pm @DrHG Hilary, food was certainly an important part of #sheepcamp. Check out our instagrams from around midnight. (blech!) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:26pm @mappingmashups @mattmoehr @ #sheepcamp, how much did cartography dominate? That could explain lack of AR #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 12:27pm @kg_geomapper Agreed. I hope the listserv will help us with specific issues. Coding has popped up there in a meaningful way! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:27pm @re_sieber Cartography came up a little bit. Were discussion of viz, mainly of “big data”. Not much carto talk beyond that. #geowebchat

@geoparadigm 12:27pm Let me know how I can assist w/ #sheepcamp efforts. These #edutools may help. @zotero, #pressforward, mendeley, Google Research #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:27pm @re_sieber we had several of us who know Cartography, but it really didn’t dominate the agenda. (I would have liked more!) #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:28pm @mattzook Yeah, reading forthcoming Zombie paper, and saw references to y’alls AR stuff. Made me curious about it’s abscence… #geowebchat

@geoparadigm 12:28pm Got to head out. Have a great #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:28pm @geographiliac @re_sieber: I’ll second that more cartography would have made me happy. Visualization came up more than cart. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:29pm @mappingmashups @mattmoehr @kg_geomapper @alogicalfallacy Also democratization of data, apps =/= empowerment of ppl #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:29pm #geowebchat tools and techniques whiteboard pic.twitter.com/FLq6eMUd

@mappingmashups 12:29pm We are now into Q #3: What worked, what didn’t? What did we want more of? What did we learn? Of course we always want more time! #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:29pm @rmcooper4 let’s promise to use the crap out of that listserv to share techniques/tools. #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:30pm @re_sieber My opinion: #sheepcamp was into data. Hot to get it, filter it, & make sense of it. AR may presume As to those Qs? #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:30pm @rmcooper4 @kg_geomapper I’m thinking we should move that conversation to the geoweb-r listserv, not only archive on .pdf #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:31pm @mattmoehr #geowebchat Interesting point, and in some ways AR is the geoweb made flesh (or urban) (or urban flesh?)

@re_sieber 12:31pm @kg_geomapper on whitebd photo: Hadoop?? Youz guys must be crazy. #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:31pm @alogicalfallacy @geographiliac @re_sieber: agree w/ lack of cartog, but maybe a skill set that can come up later w/ others #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:31pm @kg_geomapper I think there was a lot of who are we, what are we interested in, how do we do this, feeling it all out #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:32pm @mattzook “urban flesh” LOVE IT. Zombie tie-ins abound. #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:32pm @kg_geomapper a lot of that possibly could be prevented before next unconf with intros beforehand? #geowebchat

@jts_geo 12:32pm Q: What worked? A: Meeting and hanging out with new people. Best convos were usually casual, not in room w 10 others. #sheepcamp #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:33pm @mattmoehr @mattzook It took 30 minutes for a zombie reference to pop up? #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:33pm @ge01d I’d leave the coding discussion on the current list. GeoWeb-r should not be a ton of specialized mail, but CFPs, jobs,etc #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:33pm for skills, I think figuring that out a little better beforehand would be best – what people want to learn #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:34pm what worked well – really getting the bigger picture! #geowebchat

@jts_geo 12:34pm Smaller events like #sheepcamp and #ironsheep are important. Don’t have social interactions like that in AAG sessions #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:34pm Honest Q: Would an Open Atrium install for storing, sharing, coordinating data/coding/discussion be useful – like beyond listser #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 12:34pm I learned basic animal husbandry from @ge01d ! #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:35pm @geographiliac @ge01d what’s the current list? the google group discussion? #geowebchat

@pamelagdempsey 12:35pm I second that @kg_geomapper … it was good to get a feel of what everyone was working on and challenges they face #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:35pm @re_sieber @kg_geomapper there were a lot of groans when that one came up, if I remember correctly #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:35pm @rmcooper4 you didn’t learn animal husbandry from your adviser, @wilsonism’s sheep talk? #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:35pm @JessiBreen @mattmoehr #geowebchat That’s because we’re using the classic slow moving zombies of George Romero

@mappingmashups 12:35pm @ge01d But whole point of unconferences is the minimum of pre-planning. You gotta do intros when ppl show up, adapt from there. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:36pm @kg_geomapper what works is get ppl to use XPath in Google SS w Craigslist b4 Simplest way to spread a little coding around #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:36pm @jts_geo I think @floating_sheep should make it a tradition to sponsor 4th meal meetup at every AAG. Ur good at that ;) #geowebchat

@jts_geo 12:36pm Q: What didn’t work? A: Could probably have done a better job planning disc. topics, projects, etc. ahead of time. #sheepcamp #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:37pm Wish I could do #geowebchat right now; currently watching Derek Gregory’s presentation on text mining and mapping, and I’m bad multitasker

@ge01d 12:37pm @geographiliac Okay. It would be nice to have that conversation more accessible is all. Open to other venues if more appropriate #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:37pm I thought #sheepcamp did a good job of initiating the newbies (like me) to how this works, while still moving forward. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:37pm Had most of us been to an unconference before? Maybe we just needed time to get up to speed w/ the idea. #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 12:37pm @kg_geomapper for many of us geoweb newbies, the bigger picture and a greater understanding was a huge takeaway of #sheepcamp #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 12:37pm @geographiliac Let’s just say @ge01d had the inside scoop on how to turn 1 pig into several piglets #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:37pm Q: What didn’t work? A: Eating at Tolly-Ho. Thank you @jts_geo. #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:37pm @jts_geo agreed, but I liked ironing it out in person. BUT for skills, def. good to iron out better beforehand #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:38pm Turns out #PolisNEH and #sheepcamp really complement each other – looking forward to filling people in when I get a chance #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:38pm @mappingmashups nope, first time. I think you’re right. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:38pm @jts_geo The topics were sufficiently pre-planned. Vagueness is good. We just needed a few key ppl to take lead on discussions. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:38pm @mappingmashups @ge01d @jts_geo still a tension. My experience is unconferences wk best w some commonality of skills #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:38pm @alogicalfallacy, we did not officially mandate that anybody eats at Tolly-ho, it’s just that @jts_geo has bad taste. #geowebchat

@jts_geo 12:39pm I call bullshit. RT @alogicalfallacy Q: What didn’t work? A: Eating at Tolly-Ho. Thank you @jts_geo. #geowebchat #sheepcamp

@mattmoehr 12:39pm @mappingmashups my first time as well. Maybe the groups were a little too big? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:39pm First time unconferencee here. #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 12:39pm @kg_geomapper Maybe now that we have things ironed out AAGs could be a time to workshop in person? Beyond listserv of course! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:39pm @rushgeo Do you have a link for #PolisNEH? What is it? #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:40pm @alogicalfallacy I like the idea of open atrium (or similar) as alternative to listserv #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:40pm @kg_geomapper @geographiliac yes, currently it’s on the sheepcamp google group. Limited access for others interested. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:40pm @mattmoehr Yes, maybe ~10 person groups are too big? Should we have aimed for 3 or 4 parallel groups instead of 2? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:40pm I think some negativity is over-stated here. #Sheepcamp was not my first un, and I thought it was pretty excellent. Good convo. #geowebchat

@jts_geo 12:41pm Anyone who doesn’t like Tolly-Ho is a class enemy. There. I said it. #sheepcamp #geowebchat @geographiliac @alogicalfallacy

@geographiliac 12:41pm @mattmoehr I think the groups were definitely too big, and too heterogeneous. #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 12:41pm with such a wide range of experience studying the geoweb, took some time to reach shared level of knowledge/skill #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:41pm @mappingmashups group of 5 is ideal I think. based on my classroom style. tho, i learned a lot by listening to ‘theory’ folks. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:42pm @ge01d @kg_geomapper @geographiliac @mappingmashups incentive 4 ppl to join #geowebchat google group: make #sheepcamp info available

@geographiliac 12:42pm I didn’t know how to suggest group breaks without putting somebody in a category. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:42pm @GeoKoring I would concur with that assessment. #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:42pm @JessiBreen Agreed! I was impressed with that. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:43pm @re_sieber it will be public as soon as @wilsonism puts it up #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:43pm @JessiBreen @GeoKoring yep. This happens in lots of the “digital humanities” types of conferences, though. #geowebchat We’ll get better.

@mappingmashups 12:43pm @re_sieber An incentive to join geoweb-r? As #sheepcamp matls become public, will be announced on geoweb-r. & elsewhere. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:44pm @re_sieber we are currently trying to archive it so that it doesn’t change before a permanent record is stored. #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:44pm @JessiBreen @GeoKoring what’s a good way of “getting every1 on the same page” & fast before breaking out? maybe quick overview? #geowebchat

@CityResearch 12:44pm the short talks on friday night were amazing, are those slides shared on google? #sheepcamp #geowebchat #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:45pm @mappingmashups Not saying plan beforehand, just get a feel for what people want and where they’re coming from #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:45pm @re_sieber, just having a listserv for CFPs, conferences, un-conferences, jobs, that is focused on our research is an incentive. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:45pm @CityResearch The #sheepcamp lightning talks will be shared as videos sometime soon. @wilsonism already posted his slides. #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:45pm @CityResearch Plan is to share slides AND VIDEO of lighting talks! #sheepcamp #geowebchat

@pamelagdempsey 12:46pm I really liked the mashup of skills/knowledge – pulled me out of a comfort zone & gave a better understanding of geo landscape #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:46pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups @jts_geo from what I’ve read you’re not alone in that belief. Glad n00bs were welcomed, though #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:46pm @kg_geomapper @GeoKoring I think the training materials we’re going to work on should help for future #sheepcamps. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:47pm @mappingmashups @CityResearch: the @UKarts_sciences sent videographers that are working on getting the lightning talk video up #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:47pm @geographiliac @alogicalfallacy @jts_geo #geowebchat #sheepcamp actually I think it was an official mandate

@GeoKoring 12:48pm @kg_geomapper something similar to what @ge01d just said: Clearly stating in beginning what we want to gain from #sheepcamp #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:48pm agreed, thank you for welcoming n00bs. I know that can be frustrating in moving forward, so will try to make it worthwhile! #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:48pm @rushgeo #PolisNEH #sheepcamp #geowebchat Can’t wait to hear about what’s going on up there….

@mappingmashups 12:49pm We are now talking about Q #4: What’s next? Continue sharing online, but when’s next phys event? Something at #AAG2013, and…? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:49pm Welcoming “n00bs” is always worthwhile: xkcd.com/1053/ – The Lucky 10,000 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:49pm RT @rushgeo: Oops, just throwing hashtag around. #PolisNEH: NEH institute on Spatial Narrative & Deep Maps: thepoliscenter.iupui.edu/index.php/summ… #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:50pm @mappingmashups Can the geoweb get it’s own regional AAG group? I’m only kind of kidding. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:50pm Re: group size at #sheepcamp, I think part of it is it’s hard to split up when you’re interested in every topic #geowebchat

@ge01d 12:50pm @alogicalfallacy Yes! That’s one of the best xkcd’s. If we go fwd with the framework idea, hope n00bs will be useful #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:51pm @ge01d @mappingmashups @jts_geo #sheepcamp, #neogeoweb good places to redefine what n00bie is #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:51pm @alogicalfallacy very cute. we were all a n00b at something at some point #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:51pm Exactly!! RT @rushgeo: group size at #sheepcamp, I think part of it is its hard to split up when youre interested in every topic #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:51pm @JessiBreen Cyberspace as a region? We could’ve pulled that off in the 90s, maybe. :) #geowebchat

@jts_geo 12:51pm What’s next? #AAG2013 #sheepcamp #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/OjJxsO4B

@geographiliac 12:51pm @mappingmashups cyberspace is my regional focus! #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 12:51pm One more thanky from a n00b to the 1337x0r geowebbers for being super unintimidating. Never felt pwnd. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:52pm @geographiliac That’s what I tell people when they ask me if I’m going “into the field” #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 12:52pm @rushgeo I agree. Every new group idea in the beginning left me thinking, “well, I want to discuss that, too!” #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:52pm should we do another #IronSheep (with a goal, small amount of time, and final product) at #AAG2013? #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:52pm @mappingmashups @rushgeo Is anyone else a little scared that they don’t recognize any of the names at #polisNEH? #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:52pm what’s next – are there any other conferences many are attending where we can meet up? like NACIS? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:52pm @JessiBreen @mappingmashups Geoweb getting its own regional AAG group?? How ab TribeGeoweb specialty group ;-) #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 12:53pm @mappingmashups @rushgeo Why aren’t geoweb and digital humanities scholars doing more collaboration #geowebchat #PolisNEH

@mattzook 12:53pm Just hashed to #geowebcamp by mistake#geowebchat

@mattzook 12:53pm My impression that a #ironsheep fun type event would be of interest #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:54pm @geographiliac yes, another #ironsheep, please. wanted something like that at sheepcamp, too #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:54pm @kg_geomapper There is a WhereCamp happening in PDX the weekend before #NACIS. @WhereCampPDX Crash that if we can? #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:54pm @mattzook–try using tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:54pm I’ll be at #NACIS. If you do come, make sure you find me and come on my “best bars” tour. Portland and me are like total bros. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:54pm @geographiliac yes! #geowebchat #shortestTweet

@mappingmashups 12:55pm Maybe an #ironsheep before #AAG2013, and a #sheepcamp after? Or reversed? #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:55pm @mappingmashups I can definitely try to do @WhereCampPDX. anyone else? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:55pm @mattmoehr DH is essentially literature on how humanities can’t rely on techies (of which they’d classify us, e.g., Unsworth) #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:55pm @kg_geomapper not all things #sheep are the same! hehehe. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:55pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups Think of the happy hour theme potential! #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 12:55pm @kg_geomapper @geographiliac I would be down for #ironsheep at AAG, with an end goal #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 12:56pm @mattzook I think for n00bs to #ironsheep would be a good chance to code alongside those with more experience. I’m game! #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:56pm @alogicalfallacy I’ll be at #NACIS and #APCG2012 and #SOTM_PDX #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:56pm Bookending #AAG2013 would make sure some ppl aren’t left out totally… #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 12:56pm @kg_geomapper I may travel up to NACIS in Portland. Not a terribly long drive. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:57pm @mappingmashups what do you mean? ‘bookending’? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:57pm @rmcooper4 @mattzook Nurture a n00b session @AAG2013 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:57pm @geographiliac My earlier tweet. #sheepcamp before, #ironsheep after #aag2013, or vice versa. #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:57pm @mappingmashups true but would people want to be at AAG for a week+ #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:58pm @mattzook also, the #AAG is already bookended with tons of stuff… #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 12:58pm @geographiliac no, no, i know. #sheepcamp was excellent and fine as is. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:58pm @mattzook @mappingmashups I’m not sure my liver could handle it. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:59pm Okay, we are approaching the end of this #geowebchat. Consider this image the final gong: memegenerator.net/instance/22250… twitpic.com/9yb4t5

@kg_geomapper 12:59pm @re_sieber @rmcooper4 @mattzook “Nurture a n00b session” Yes, I could help w/ this. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:59pm @JessiBreen lucky for you there isn’t a Tally-ho in LA (@jts_geo) #geowebchat

@mattzook 12:59pm true true, one of the things I liked about #ironsheep is that it was in the middle of the conference and so provided a break #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:59pm Any last parts of #sheepcamp that we didn’t cover in this #geowebchat?

@re_sieber 12:59pm @mattzook @mappingmashups We could ask related @AAG2013 SIG sponsors (e.g., TribeGIScience) to concentrate sessions @ beg or end #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:00pm @mattzook Yes, very good point, it was a nice break, easily done in an evening. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:00pm @re_sieber @mattmoehr Geogs appropriated DH and renamed it spatial humanities. Can’t hear complaints through our pile of maps #geowebchat

@geographiliac 1:01pm Feel free to email any of us further suggestions for the next #sheepcamp/#ironsheep event. #geowebchat

@WxDan 1:01pm @kg_geomapper @re_sieber @rmcooper4 @mattzook Speaking as a total n00b in this area, that would be awesome. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 1:01pm @geographiliac @jts_geo Taylor hasn’t scouted out an equivalent yet? #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 1:01pm @mappingmashups *slow claps* well done! #geowebchat

@pamelagdempsey 1:01pm Thanks everyone for a great #sheepcamp and chat – would be interested in an #ironsheep at some point #geowebchat

@mattmoehr 1:02pm @rushgeo @re_sieber One point on forthcoming agenda paper is figuring out geoweb’s place in this menagerie. @wilsonism #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:02pm @rushgeo @mattmoehr Not from where I am. Complete opposite. DH appropriated sexy parts of #neogeoweb #geowebchat

@ge01d 1:03pm @re_sieber @rmcooper4 @mattzook maybe by then we won’t be n00bs, @kg_geomapper! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:03pm @mattmoehr @rushgeo @wilsonism Well, @re_sieber and I were talking abt that as future #geowebchat topic: which discipline “owns” the geoweb?

@geographiliac 1:03pm @JessiBreen @jts_geo: do they sell cigarettes and condoms in heartburn infested greasy-spoons within walking distance of #AAG? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 1:03pm Also, of course, Canters… but the Hat will make your heart stop. It is Tolly-Ho. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:04pm @ge01d @rmcooper4 @mattzook @kg_geomapper Always new n00bs. Think of all the GIScientists! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:04pm So, I’m gonna “put a sheep on it” and call this #geowebchat done. Our next chat will be at the same time in two weeks: July 3.

@kg_geomapper 1:04pm @ge01d @re_sieber @rmcooper4 @mattzook but we’ll know what it’s like to have been n00bs for new N00bs. (wow) #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 1:04pm @mappingmashups @mattmoehr @rushgeo @wilsonism @re_sieber sound like an intriguing topic. I’d tune in for that. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:05pm I will post the transcript shortly on my website: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/. As always, I’m looking for topic ideas and guest hosts. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 1:05pm @geographiliac While @jts_geo was in Lexington, I did in LA for B.A. I can find you cigarettes, condoms, and fresh fruit at 3 am #geowebchat

@geographiliac 1:05pm Thanks for organizing the feedback/recap @mappingmashups! #geowebchat

@kg_geomapper 1:05pm @GeoKoring @mappingmashups @mattmoehr @rushgeo @wilsonism @re_sieber agreed, very interesting topic #geowebchat

@ge01d 1:06pm @kg_geomapper @re_sieber @rmcooper4 @mattzook n00bs nurturing newer n00bs? #geowebchat

@geographiliac 1:06pm @alogicalfallacy fresh fruit? Not the same as Tally-Ho (sorry, @jts_geo) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:07pm @mappingmashups @mattmoehr @rushgeo @wilsonism Just went thru granting process, which discipline “owns” the geoweb? v important #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:07pm @mappingmashups Thanks Alan! #putasheeponit #geowebchat Looking forward to the geoweb/spatial humanities chat sometime

@mappingmashups 1:07pm Thanks to all the #geowebchat n00bs from #sheepcamp. Hope the pace of the twitter chat didn’t make your head explode.

@geographiliac 1:08pm @mappingmashups made the best use of the @floating_sheep meme generator. twitpic.com/9yb4t5 #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:08pm @ge01d @kg_geomapper @rmcooper4 @mattzook n00bs nurturing newer n00bs nurturing even newer n00bs till 140 chars run out #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 1:11pm @re_sieber cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x… #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 1:11pm @mappingmashups thanks for organizing and including us. Looking forward to future #geowebchat (s)

@GeoKoring 1:12pm @rmcooper4 that was quick. Well played. #geowebchat

@ge01d 1:14pm Only some of my head exploded, will be better next week with reliable internet connection. Thanks! #geowebchat

@GeoKoring 1:14pm I hope everyone was including their location during this #geowebchat. #sheepinator

@re_sieber 1:16pm @GeoKoring #geowebchat yes. Expose our geocode in Twitter schema? Ha! #putmoneywheremouthis

@GabrielHankins 1:17pm Interesting parallel discussion at mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ and #geowebchat : might want to listen in next week #ucladh #polisneh

@mappingmashups 1:19pm @GeoKoring I never figured out how to make the desktop version of @echofon do geolocating. Which desktop apps for OSX do that? #geowebchat

@GabrielHankins 1:27pm @mattmoehr @mappingmashups @rushgeo Good question: would be interested to talk more. Will join up at next #geowebchat if possible

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