#geowebchat transcript, 18 September 2012

@mappingmashups Sep 14, 2:26pm Reminder! #geowebchat on Tues Sep 18 will be 1 hr later than usual: 1pm PT 4pm ET 9pm BST. Topic: #GIScience, guest host: @mhaklay. Pls RT!

@mappingmashups Sep 14, 2:28pm More info about #geowebchat: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ & about the next chat: povesham.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/tra… & some reading mat’l: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.111…

@mhaklay 1:01pm Welcome to the #geowebchat dedicated to #GIScience 2012 and to the virtual issue of transactions of the IBG onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.111…

@mhaklay 1:03pm So any comment on the issue, or on the papers that are included in it are welcomed #geowebchat

@bricker 1:05pm Hi Muki! They represented a range of relevant topics. Great job synthesizing the exciting AAG discussions last yr too! #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:06pm Hi there. nice range of topics in it. browsed with interest. liked the future predictions in some of the seventies works #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:06pm @mhaklay thx for getting us started with this #GIScience #geowebchat. We’re fighting against the conference scheduling, but let’s go for it.

@mhaklay 1:08pm @bricker @eknalprev – geography moved from advocacy for the use of computers (60-70) to taking them for granted in recent papers #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:11pm but as you rightly put in the intro, stuff like carto is again hot, while on the verge of extinction not so long a go. #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:11pm computers were supposed to take it all over #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:13pm Muki, as you assembled this issue, did you find Transactions attracted papers from all across the field, or were there gaps? #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:13pm @eknalprev Carto is an interesting part of the story – quite confident part of geog in the mid 70s but marginalised later. #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:15pm I have found about 40+ papers, and I was surprised to see that all the major issues were covered, but not in technical details #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:16pm And as time progressed, more applications where GIS was used, but it was not about GIScience appeared. #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:16pm A gap is perhaps ‘theory’. see the theoretical geography. I was raised on theoryless geography (physical geog) . #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 1:17pm @mhaklay I really liked your characterztn of GIScience as inductive- from the tech, to methodology, to theoretical interventions #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:19pm @eknalprev – you are correct. Theoretical discussion of GIScience are not there, but TIBG is a general geography journal! #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:21pm @agaleszczynski thanks! it answered a point that bothered me as I was trying to make sense of the ‘research agendas’ of GISc #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 1:22pm @mhaklay @eknalprev seemed to be more work going on in theoretical GIScience in late 90s/early 00s – thinking of ontologies rsch #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:25pm Francis Harvey’s new ebook ‘Are there fundamental principles in Geographic Information Science?’ amazon.co.uk/fundamental-pr… #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 1:25pm @mhaklay made me think differently about how I ‘do’ research on the social side of things #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:26pm …is providing good discussion about these foundations – or the lack of them. Personally, I didn’t thought much of ontology! #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:27pm Recently an eyeopener for me to read about (theory of) ‘place’ (vs location). It drew me right away to the convs with Massey #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:30pm @eknalprev Tobler (in Harvey’s book) arguing against. He say that ‘global’ is fundamental to GISc #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:32pm @eknalprev .. ‘Local “Place” is important, but so is the rest of the world’. This is the view of some of the early quant papers #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:33pm @mhaklay sure, but i see geolocation vs geocontext as a multi-scale issue. #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:34pm On the other hand, the papers by @agaleszczynski & @geoplace show that places are important. #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:38pm @mhaklay context of place without geolocation can become global place (albeit out of context :-) #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:40pm OK wobbly argumentation. perhaps i need more than 140 chars to make a point here LOL #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:41pm Apart from historic interest, is there a value in using papers in GIScience that are older than 20 years? #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:42pm In other words, is there a point in suggesting to students to read T. Hägerstrand (1967) The Computer and the Geographer ? #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:43pm @mhaklay besides its entertainment value it does tell us where we come from … #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:44pm @mhaklay Good Q. Not sure. But as I try to set aside “historic interest”, the more I think a hist perspective is always needed. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:45pm @mhaklay to understand how our tools and concepts were socially constructed, if nothing else. #geowebchat

@bricker 1:46pm I agree, I read classic historical comp sci for my comps exam, it provides context for how we got here…and is entertaining #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:47pm Maybe it is important to demonstrate that even in a technological area such as GIScience, it’s not all just about the ‘now’? #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:49pm MT @jonobennett: No point in students thinking they have a brilliant idea if it was tried and didn’t work #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:49pm Sorry everybody, that’s all the #GIS I can do today. Gotta deal with another TLA: the DMV. #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:50pm i find that a lot of current lit is looking at now while these old articles actually do quite some (bold) looking ahead #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:52pm @eknalprev from reading a lot of older paper, I can say that there was a lot of over optimism. #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:53pm @mhaklay are we now more cautious or pessimistic? #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:54pm @eknalprev with geography, I guess that #GIScience is not as confident and bold the way quant methods were in the 1960s #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:55pm @eknalprev and I think that this is a good thing! It’s about being realistic on what is the role of GIScience in wider geography #geowebchat

@agaleszczynski 1:55pm I also think that ‘old’ papers give us many insights about the uniqueness of handling spatial data vs. non-spatial data #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:56pm @mhaklay ah yes, the comfort of quantitative methods :-) #geowebchat

@geographiliac 1:56pm sad to have missed 95% of @mhaklay’s geoweb chat… have to teach cartography on tuesdays. #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:58pm @geographiliac check the D. Rhind (1977) Computer-aided cartography in the virtual issue – you might be able to use it! #geowebchat

@eknalprev 1:58pm @geographiliac But you did mention ‘Cartography 1950-2000′ today in class? #geowebchat

@geographiliac 1:59pm @mhaklay I will. I particularly enjoyed the “democracy” article you sent me in May. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 2:00pm @eknalprev I did not. They are making websites to feature their awesome cartography skills. #geowebchat

@mhaklay 2:02pm Thank for the comments on the virtual issue and I hope that those who are attending #GIScience will have good time! #geowebchat

@mhaklay 2:04pm Next time, it’s @bricker as guest host, on October 2, AAG CFP discussion: How should VGI be conceptualized? #geowebchat

@eknalprev 2:06pm Thanks @mhaklay for hosting this #geowebchat

@bricker 2:08pm Thanks @mhaklay for hosting! Enjoy #GIScience Conf you all. #geowebchat

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