#geowebchat transcript, 18 December 2012


@mappingmashups Dec 11, 11:03am New post: Vote for the Top Geo Story of 2012: #topgeostoryof2012 bit.ly/VRnXKa

@peterajohnson Dec 11, 7:26pm #topgeostoryof2012 has to be Nate Silver’s use of #geostatistics to predict the US election: bigthink.com/think-tank/the…

@re_sieber Dec 15, 10:37am @mappingmashups My 1st #topgeostoryof2012 is Apple Maps for ios6 #neogeoweb

@re_sieber Dec 15, 10:39am @mappingmashups My 2nd #topgeostoryof2012 is 2 tribes of GIS: #neogeoweb & #GIScience. We don’t need to look outside to find all our stories

@mappingmashups 12:01pm The #geowebchat starts now! We’re discussing our votes for the #topgeostoryof2012. What do you think is the biggest geo news this year?

@mappingmashups 12:02pm If you have a vote, tweet with hashtag #topgeostoryof2012, and if you want to join the discussion just follow (& tweet with) tag #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:03pm Some #topgeostoryof2012 suggestions: mappingmashups.net/2012/12/11/vot…, & this @geospatialnews post also has good ideas: gislounge.com/2012-most-rive… #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:03pm Apple Maps failure was probably the most noticed story of 2012, I thought. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:04pm @AndrewShears Definitely. And so far the iOS maps fail is leading in the votes… #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:04pm #geowebchat and #topgeostoryof2012. Two longish hashtags. A logistical challenge: Do we need both?

@AndrewShears 12:05pm @mappingmashups It certainly made teaching about cartographic representation easy this semester! #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:05pm iOS fail is notable, but I’m with #NateSilver and #geodemographics on this one #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:05pm I think I’ll give a few min for discussion (& more voting) at the beginning of this chat, and then announce the rankings #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:06pm For me the #topgeostoryof2012 was the emergence of the GIS tribes bc it will impact our academic lives for quite a while. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:06pm @peterajohnson To me, the #NateSilver achievement is scary because of the potential throwback to positivist thought. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:06pm @re_sieber No, I think we don’t need both. Stick with #geowebchat unless you just want to vote for #topgeostoryof2012 w/out chatting.

@peterajohnson 12:06pm @AndrewShears no doubt! Always great to have current events to back you up. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:07pm @peterajohnson @AndrewShears What’s interesting about apple maps fail is that it was more about data than representation… #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:07pm @AndrewShears or you could frame it as a win for science vs. punditry ‘opinion’? #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:08pm @AndrewShears Yeah, and there have been lots of stories this year glorifying the “algorithm” in decision making #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:08pm @mappingmashups very true. Actually, I think it says more about the increase in speed and competition of product dev. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:09pm @mappingmashups and had they not botched the data, it could have been an opportunity to debate design and representation. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:09pm @peterajohnson I have no problem with educated “opinion” even if it’s fully qualitative in nature. The 24/7 punditry isn’t that. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:09pm @rushgeo Along w/ “algorithms” there’s the rhetoric of “big data”. Is this the year #bigdata made its big #geoweb debut? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:10pm @rushgeo We all have seen how confidence-lacking social science & humanities disciplines can overreact in adopting “science.” #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:10pm with apple and 4sq in some sort of talks, there may be one more story before the year is out #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:11pm @erictheise Ooh, exciting. Yes the December surprise is the bane of all year-end listmakers. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:11pm @erictheise I hadn’t heard about that. I hope Apple doesn’t ruin my 4sq #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:11pm @rushgeo #geowebchat imho it was the connection of data problems to the Apple brand. other corps have had similar issues with less fallout

@re_sieber 12:12pm Tday story ab idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/ftc-or… FTC ordering data brokrs 2reveal info they’re trafficking in suggests vast data mining effort #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:12pm @rushgeo @erictheise Apple’s shown how well it does with geoweb and social apps, right? #AppleFail #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:13pm @CraigMDalton @rushgeo Apple putting its seal of approval on it brought Apple Maps in front of tens of millions of consumers #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:13pm @AndrewShears And vast uptake of #bigdata in soc sciences, humanities this yr, which made all sorts of inferences ab space #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:15pm @AndrewShears But how many of them weren’t already familiar with Google Maps? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm Re: data mining, there was the Supreme Court ruling that police must have a warrant to track you w/ GPS articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-01-23/pol… #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:15pm @re_sieber so #bigdata is just the next shiny object? When will the disillusionment start (or are we there already)? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:15pm BTW I’m not a qual curmudgeon, I like quant data. I just worry #NateSilver will lead back to quant data being end-all-be-all. #geowebchat

@DonnaGenzmer 12:15pm @re_sieber i’m missing the GIS Tribes reference #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:16pm @AndrewShears #geowebchat I’m not a fan of Apple, but half the criticism seemed to be images-draped-on-DEM type errors -not misdirection

@AndrewShears 12:17pm @JessiBreen They were familiar with Google Maps but didn’t know how much map apps impacted daily life until not dependable. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:17pm @AndrewShears I thought that #natesilver did a good job in not overselling his analysis (despite what his critics say). #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:17pm @DonnaGenzmer @re_sieber Here’s some background for the tribes reference: opengeography.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/aag… mappingmashups.net/2012/03/06/geo… #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:17pm At AAG this yr, you couldn’t throw a stick wo hitting a #bigdata presentation #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:17pm @AndrewShears I’ll buy that. #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:18pm @peterajohnson #geowebchat shiny object- quite possibily. Makes me wonder how it will shape people’s research questions in coming years

@re_sieber 12:19pm @DonnaGenzmer The #neogeoweb let’s-have-fun-&-do-stuff v serious #GIScience it’s-all-ab-algorithms tribe #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:19pm @CraigMDalton Still poor rep of space/place. Consumers didn’t have vocab to say that, but notable that it’s been front & center. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:20pm @AndrewShears related to what I think #topgeostoryof2012 was: year everyone knew that maps & mobile map APIs are critical #geowebchat

@DonnaGenzmer 12:20pm @re_sieber ah, somehow hadn’t connected to that discussion #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:22pm Interesting piece on #bigdata from our new VP @uWaterloo I’m not buying the sunshine that she is selling onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j…. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:22pm @rushgeo Call it the beginning of the Map API Wars? In the long view, Apple ditching Google is bigger news than the data fail. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:22pm @peterajohnson Sure, he undersold it. But his followers probably won’t… #NoNewPositivistParadigm #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:23pm RT @CraigMDalton: @AndrewShears Is it your sense that other services are much better at that sort of representation challange? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:24pm Another #topgeostoryof2012 craiglist finally mashing up OSM into its listings (& making it enormously difficult to harvest data) #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:24pm @peterajohnson #geowebchat here in NYC the mayor and NYU are launching a whole school on “Big Data” and “Urban Infomatics”: CUSP

@AndrewShears 12:25pm @CraigMDalton No, not at all. Beyond functional differences, Google’s Map app had no 3D at all. Apple tried 3D, failed loudly. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:26pm Some other map news that made a momentary splash: Instagram Photo Maps: mashable.com/2012/08/16/ins… #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:26pm @AndrewShears @peterajohnson I’m wonder if baseball fans are bigger supporters of qual data than quan data #moneyballFail #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:28pm #topgeostoryof2012 Nokia also announced its own mapping project, here, also with problems wired.com/gadgetlab/2012… #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:28pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat And now Facebook can sell them without your permission tech.slashdot.org/story/12/12/18…

@AndrewShears 12:28pm @CraigMDalton Like the old Louis CK bit, people expected more based on advances, complained when advanced failed to deliver. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:29pm Another #topgeostoryof2012 was #OSM’s #OperationCowboy #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:30pm How about 2012 as the year of cheap drones? Or is that genie still not out of the bottle yet? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:31pm Directions Mag has its own directionsmag.com/articles/the-t… #topgeostoryof2012 #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:32pm @mappingmashups yes, drones for sure. Plus cheap wireless sensors of all types. Internet of things, here we come… #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:33pm @re_sieber #geowebchat it seems strange that Nokia would have the routing problems described in Wired. They own Navteq.

@JessiBreen 12:33pm @mappingmashups @chrisanderson did just leave Wired for 3D Robotics. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:34pm Directions mag mentioned d3js.org , which has been amazing for visualizations, revolution sim to #bigdata #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:35pm Partially agree that LBS and geo-social networking in decline. RT @re_sieber: Directions Mag has its own directionsmag.com/articles/the-t… #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:35pm @peterajohnson @mappingmashups we’re still awaiting a revolution in DIY drones sim to arduino or mindstorms #geowebchat machinescience.com/store/home.php…

@erictheise 12:36pm at @sotmus telenav talked about their #OpenStreetMap based traffic location scheme; by being open that could be a game changer #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:36pm Let’s keep the discussion going, but transition to voting. How about this: vote for as many stories as you can fit in a tweet. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:36pm I expect tech advances + social media platforms adopting aggressive opt-out TOS for LBS to bring it back to forefront soon. #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:37pm telenav slides at wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/1/16/… #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:37pm @AndrewShears #geowebchat Would more Augmented Reality be a shot in the arm for LBS? Wasn’t Google Glass launched this year?

@mappingmashups 12:37pm If you’ve already sent me votes, I don’t care if you vote again, this isn’t scientific! I’ll tally the votes over next few min. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:38pm @AndrewShears “Partially agree that LBS and geo-social networking in decline” – you obviously haven’t started #GeoBeers! #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:39pm #topgeostoryof2012 mapping APIs, big data #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:39pm how ab Ramsey’s argument that GIS courses r just bait in switch, to suck naive students into a dead career directionsmag.com/podcasts/is-gi… #geowebchat

@CraigMDalton 12:41pm #topgeostoryof2012 Apple Maps’ reminder of an imperfect mapping: Diversification of APIs, Augmented Reality, tribes

@re_sieber 12:42pm #topgeostoryof2012 Apple maps, big data, 2 tribes, Google Maps 8-bit for NES: youtu.be/rznYifPHxDg #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:42pm 1) #AppleFail & GoogleVsApple$ 2) #BigData + #NateSilver + #Algorithms + Tribes 3) Drones 4) Imus Map 5) ESRI Buys GeoIQ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:42pm My votes: “Map API Wars”, Supreme court GPS ruling, drones, Nate Silver, Sandy Island #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:43pm @CraigMDalton Yep! Exactly. As we become more cyborg-like thx to devices, LBS will become necessity to revenue streams. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:44pm More #topgeostoryof2012 underwater Google SV bbc.co.uk/news/technolog… SuperSandy Map cnn.com/2012/10/30/tec… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:46pm Nobody liked the pretty wind map? hint.fm/wind/ #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:46pm @re_sieber @CraigMDalton Only a few steps away from a dystopic #bigdata future! #WeAreTheData #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:47pm @re_sieber I don’t know how I forgot about the Google 8-bit maps. Those are fantastic! #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:47pm Aw, I forgot! Still not top five though… RT @mappingmashups: Nobody liked the pretty wind map? hint.fm/wind/ #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:48pm @mappingmashups Pretty, but not a top story to me. I understood how it worked immediately, but to non-geo nerds it was mystical. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:48pm More #topgeostoryof2012 Google SV of Northern Canada via tricycle cbc.ca/news/canada/no… #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:48pm @mappingmashups showed it to my class – they liked the visualization, but didn’t see the benefit vs. a traditional static map #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:49pm @AndrewShears @CraigMDalton #WeAreAllGeoDataNow #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:51pm @mappingmashups I love the wind map! Oddly soothing… #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:52pm Google, Apple getting into biz of aerial imagery (via “spy” planes) arstechnica.com/apple/2012/06/… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:53pm Okay, the #10 story of 2012: Google Maps 8-bit NES youtube.com/watch?v=rznYif… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@mappingmashups 12:53pm The #9 story of 2012: The undiscovering of Sandy Island en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Isl… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@re_sieber 12:53pm What important mapping acquisitions happened in 2012? #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 12:54pm @peterajohnson @mappingmashups It was great for use in my hazards class during Sandy. GIS class, like yours, mostly shrugged. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:54pm @mappingmashups at the risk of sounding like a total suck-up how about “#GeoWebChat achieves international success”?

@mappingmashups 12:54pm #8: Diversification of maps APIs (what I’m calling the Mobile Maps API Wars) #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@mappingmashups 12:55pm #7 The geoweb and the rise of #bigdata. #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@erictheise 12:55pm vote: Apple maps debacle, OpenStreetMap relicense, Knight Foundation grant to DevSeed, Telenav project, GPS ruling, SandyIsle #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:56pm #6: Two tribes emerge (geoweb and GIScience research) within academia opengeography.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/aag… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@mappingmashups 12:56pm @erictheise Damn, those are some good ones we missed, Eric. But too late! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:57pm #5: The emergence of cheap drones, sensors and the dawning Internet of Things #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@AndrewShears 12:57pm Ha, my #geowebchat ballot for #TopGeoStoryof2012 combined a lot of things into single stories (I thought they all ran together…)

@mappingmashups 12:58pm #4 The David Imus map of the United States: slate.com/articles/arts/… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@mappingmashups 12:59pm #3 @Esri acquiring @geocommons (and @geoloqi) #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@CraigMDalton 12:59pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat ?five gold rings in an internet of things?

@mappingmashups 1:00pm The #2 story: Nate Silver’s use of #geostatistics (& #bigdata) to predict the election bigthink.com/think-tank/the… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2012

@JessiBreen 1:00pm @CraigMDalton @mappingmashups Should of been a list of 12 things. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:01pm Shoutout to Carl Franzen @TPM for covering mapping stories this yr, inc idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/openst… #topgeostoryof2012 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:01pm And if you couldn’t guess, the #1 geo story of 2012, as voted by #geowebchat: The Apple iOS6 Maps fail #topgeostoryof2012 by a wide margin.

@mappingmashups 1:02pm Thanks everybody for participating! See you on the new year on January 8 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:07pm Forecast for 2013? RT @AngharadStone: at the risk of sounding like a total suck-up how about “#GeoWebChat achieves international success”?

@howardbutler 1:07pm “@spara: #topgeostoryof2012 is the rise of MapBox and CartoDB providing the next generation of online mapping tools.” agreed.

@howardbutler 1:12pm “How do I get my crap geo data into #geojson?” #topgeostoryof2012

@mappingmashups 1:21pm Thanks for catching that! RT @iandees: Uh 8-bit NES maps based on OSM was the top story in 2010 (8bitcity.com/map) #geowebchat

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