#geowebchat transcript, 4 June 2013

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 4:19pm Next #geowebchat Tomorrow (Tues Jun 4). Teaching the geoweb, part II: MOOCs & teaching online. 12p PT, 3p ET. cc #currcamp2013. Please RT!

@mappingmashups 12:00pm Hello everyone. #geowebchat is starting now! Follow along with tools like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat, or mute the hashtag to ignore us.

@mappingmashups 12:01pm Today we’re going to be discussing tools and strategies for teaching the geoweb online. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:02pm All right, @rushgeo, @JessiBreen, and I are here on the Kentucky porch, waiting for #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:02pm Hi #geowebchat. Excited to be participating today…been lurking for a while. I’m a PhD student at U of C studying social media & learning.

@mappingmashups 12:02pm Think of this as a continuation of previous chats on this topic: mappingmashups.net/2012/05/15/geo… and recently mappingmashups.net/2013/05/07/geo… #geowebchat

@udontknowJacq 12:02pm I’ve connected w/ @mappingmashups & I’m hoping to participate & collect data/posts from the #geowebchat community in my doctoral research

@joeeckert 12:03pm @mappingmashups Should also recommend snapchat, official app of #currcamp2013! #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:03pm Hard to learn the about the various geoweb platforms with just one of the current MOOC offerings. Need to use various tutorials. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:03pm @JacqInTheBooks Welcome Jacq! Serendipitously this topic is quite relevant to your work! #geowebchat

@udontknowJacq 12:03pm Link w/ details of my research- informallearningonline.webs.com Please feel free to contact me if u have any questions/concerns/comments #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:04pm I chose today’s topic because I wanted to pick the brains of the #currcamp2013 crew, who spent the last week working on a #MOOC. #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:04pm @mappingmashups Yes, I’m very excited about today’s topic! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:04pm Anyone else lurking on #geowebchat? I never have a good idea of how many there are here.

@joeeckert 12:05pm .@mappingmashups well, actually, not really a #MOOC per se, but a set of online courses built in a similar modular fashion. #geowebchat

@DonnaGenzmer 12:05pm @joeeckert #geowebchat #lurking

@JessiBreen 12:05pm @mappingmashups Good luck w/ that. Brains are fried.#geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:05pm .@mappingmashups Although it could probably be #MOOC-ized pretty rapidly if they decide to go that route. #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:06pm I’m lurking today – starting my MS in geography at South Carolina in the fall. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:06pm @mappingmashups Welp, pick away. For others, #currcamp13 was at U of Kentucky, where about a dozen of us put together + #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:06pm As far as I can tell #currcamp2013 is an iteration of #sheepcamp, hosted by @floating_sheep. RE last year mappingmashups.net/2012/06/19/geo… #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:06pm @WxDan Go Gamecocks! USC undergrad. :) #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:07pm the future of online curriculum for open source GIS/web mapping products. Pretty sweet! Very tired. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:07pm @WxDan Congratulations for being accepted into graduate work and welcome to #geowebchat

@EmmaSlager 12:07pm @joeeckert Lurking! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:08pm .@mappingmashups yeah, less of a #sheepcamp this year, and more like a pedagogical hack-a-thon #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:09pm So the question we had as #currcamp2013ers, was what needed to be included in a geoweb class. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:09pm A cogent rebuttal to MOOCs cucfa.org/news/2013_may1… for our #geowebchat. Q is, are MOOCs bad for teaching #neogeoweb?

@mappingmashups 12:09pm So before we start picking at the #currcamp2013 crew, has anyone used/seen anything like a geoweb MOOC or other online course? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:09pm #currcamp2013 : the @mattzook-led salt mines of graduate student course development. free food! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:10pm I guess the Geospatial Revolution MOOC is still in the future, correct? coursera.org/course/maps #geowebchat cc @A_C_Robinson

@re_sieber 12:11pm For many years, GIS has been taught w online, distance education. So why not MOOCs for #neogeoweb? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:11pm @mappingmashups I am signed up for that. #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:11pm Geoweb edu examples for users w/ foundation of skills share processes like @mbostock on bl.ocks.org/mbostock w/ real examples. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:12pm The modules we worked on covered gamut btw critical geo & web skills. Some maybe easier to roll into course managers than others #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:12pm This was a lot of skill building. I think MOOCs work for that. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:12pm @re_sieber probably works great for tech skills – seems more difficult to test for theoretical comprehension w/ multi-choice ?s #geowebchat

@GPSBaby 12:12pm @joeeckert lurking too..#geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:12pm @mpmckenna8 is that an actual site? I didn’t see anything at that address. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:14pm RT @A_C_Robinson: I think there’s a lot of space for folks to develop excellent geoweb/neocartography/geowhatever MOOCs. #geowebchat

@geographiliac 12:14pm We just left Lexington. Miss you all! #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:14pm @mappingmashups @A_C_Robinson I think it’s just yet to be collated into one MOOC, see twitter.com/mpmckenna8/sta… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:14pm RT @joeeckert: I sometimes think that geoweb studies might be one of the few places where I’m not completely terrified of #MOOCs #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm RT @evanlandman: @mappingmashups @A_C_Robinson this is basically advertising for Penn State’s online GIS classes isnt it #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:15pm At the moment, 17,574 folks have signed up for the #Maps MOOC, over 2000 on the watchlist for the 2nd offering. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm RT @A_C_Robinson: Ah, no, it’s not. I look forward to folks letting me know what they think about the class once it’s opened. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:15pm @mpmckenna8 Why would we expect that though? Don’t teach all of Soc in one course (credit: @JessiBreen) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:16pm I noticed @ hackathons & relev to MOOCs is newbies have huge problem in fig out questions to ask, eg what 2 variables to viz. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:16pm @joeeckert That’s right. I’ll talk and you tweet it. Cyborgs!!!!! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:16pm @A_C_Robinson Can the unwashed among us get a link? ;) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:16pm @A_C_Robinson @evanlandman Hi guys. I’m retweeting your tweets to the #geowebchat hashtag to keep the rest of the conversation involved.

@A_C_Robinson 12:17pm I think Geography on the whole stands to benefit from the huge exposure possible from MOOCs. We’re just not that visible yet. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:18pm @joeeckert Absolutely! One thing I am doing is compiling a list of resources, further reading, etc… def. shoot me an email. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:18pm @joeeckert We’ve been meaning to talk to you about that…. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:18pm @A_C_Robinson nevermind, found it. for everyone else: coursera.org/course/maps #geowebchat

@ajturner 12:19pm @re_sieber Tools should be able to provide good suggestions for relevant and correlated variables. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:19pm @A_C_Robinson I’m signed up for your course. Looking forward to it, especially after this week at #CurrCamp2013. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:19pm @ajturner @re_sieber doesn’t that assume the right variables are in there in the first place? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:19pm @A_C_Robinson unsurprisingly, big pushback from academics on MOOCs chronicle.com/article/Why-So… hard to teach creativity, insight #geowebchat

@EmmaSlager 12:20pm #Technicity MOOC is related: coursera.org/course/techcity I signed up but was a poor participant b/c of thesis… #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:20pm At the same time, MOOCs are not a panacea for education. Just a new thing that we should give a shot. #geowebchat.

@rushgeo 12:20pm Still wondering how traditional academic model will use MOOC say 10 years from now. Right now seems really experimental. #geowebchat

@runner_steve 12:20pm @A_C_Robinson I’m signed up too. Looking forward to it. #geowebchat

@ajturner 12:20pm @joeeckert More interesting – what if the variables are in another dataset. Can we do data recommendations? @bhecht @re_sieber #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:20pm @re_sieber we’ll just automate creativity and insight through tools, right? ;) #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:21pm @re_sieber Naturally – and I think debate is healthy. Also hard to deny that 1000s around the world have a new kind of access. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:21pm @ajturner sure, but I’d much rather the students know how to find the data themselves. serendipity is algorithmically foiled #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:21pm @ajturner Maybe we educated, highly skilled few take for granted our ability to construct an interesting q to ask w geog&bigdata #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:21pm @ajturner Side note, are you coming to GeoDC tomorrow? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:22pm just watch listed the coursers dealy-o — will audit when access is available #geowebchat

@GPSBaby 12:22pm @joeeckert opportunity is huge for capacity building in global GI community #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:23pm @EmmaSlager Oh, that’s what #technicity hashtag is about! Good tweets from @EvansCowley, @tomwsanchez coursera.org/course/techcity #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:23pm @ajturner recommendations are neat, I guess, so long as they don’t quench the ability to stumble upon something #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:23pm @A_C_Robinson Concern is not granting access; concern over MOOCs is branding, commod of higher educ. Also uncompensated time #geowebchat

@wilsonism 12:24pm #geowebchat Thank you to the #currcamp2013 participants! #lessonplans make #learningobjectives make #modules

@joeeckert 12:24pm @re_sieber to be fair, we’re increasingly having to go the branding route on this side of the lawn as well #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:24pm @joeeckert I’m eager for all feedback. Also hope to find a way to provide all of the course content in easily resuable form #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:25pm @re_sieber (is this where I plug somelab.net ? floatingsheep.org ? should see the e-mails from mkting dept #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:26pm @re_sieber Yep – I don’t deny any of those concerns. I’m in the middle of it – and I lead tuition $ dependent online progs #geowebchat

@adenas 12:26pm I’m curious to see how the first #MOOCs go – I don’t think any have taken place. Google’s will be first? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:26pm Despite concern, I’m all in favour of skill development via @andyshears #geowebchat wiki or a crowdsourced MOOC.

@A_C_Robinson 12:27pm @re_sieber I think when the dust settles MOOCs will be useful for some stuff and augment, but not replace, the other stuff we do #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:27pm @joeeckert Thus my new mantra: I’m a geography professor, not a commodity! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:28pm RT @re_sieber: Despite concern, I’m all in favour of skill development via @AndrewShears #geowebchat wiki or a crowdsourced MOOC.

@joeeckert 12:28pm @re_sieber yeah, a well-funded, well-known, well-connected professor. some of us still need to run the hustle. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:28pm An opportunity for GIScience could be through MOOCs focused on big research problems (disambiguating placenames in text, etc…) #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:29pm @re_sieber besides, you’re already-always-becoming a market commodity. folks are hustling on your behalf. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:29pm @A_C_Robinson Then we should play a role in clarifying the line btwn skills-based MOOCs and inspiration-based phys activities #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:29pm @A_C_Robinson can you sneak me into the first course if I sign up then? promise not to make you grade ish. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:30pm @joeeckert @re_sieber Well, I’m not those things. So I’m weird. Note that I am the 1 out of 5 launched here who isn’t a rockstar #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:30pm crap, need to bounce to catch the plane, y’all. we’ll talk later, maybe the next #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:30pm Uhoh, looks like the #geowebwiki is down at the moment: geoweb.andrewshears.com. And I think @AndrewShears has appendicitis… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:30pm @joeeckert Thanks for coming for part of it! Safe flight! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:30pm @joeeckert Okay, have to remember my own privilege. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:30pm @joeeckert I’m pretty sure you can join up through the first few days of class. And I’m not grading anything for anyone. :) #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:31pm @re_sieber you can share if you want to, I sure wouldn’t mind. ;) #geowebchat

@runner_steve 12:32pm @mappingmashups I was able to get to the site geoweb.andrewshears.com #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:32pm @adenas Which one is Google’s? A geo #MOOC? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:32pm @A_C_Robinson Initial dividing line cud b GIS, #neogeoweb in MOOCs; GIScience, criticalGIS in phys courses, meetups, hackathons #geowebchat

@adenas 12:33pm mapping.withgoogle.com/preview

@adenas 12:34pm I call it a MOOC. Google did no. apb.directionsmag.com/entry/google-a… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:34pm “Mapping with Google” online course. I hadn’t seen that, thanks! RT @adenas: mapping.withgoogle.com/preview #geowebchat #MOOC

@adenas 12:36pm Also planned Pace U GIS MOOC directionsmag.com/articles/pace-… #geowebchat

@runner_steve 12:37pm I saw that link to Google’s course and opted for Anthony’s because Google’s seemed to be basic end user features. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:37pm @adenas Awesome, hadn’t seen that! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:37pm @A_C_Robinson Sim problem w #bigdata. Insight isn’t automatic & isn’t inductive. Must be carefully guided foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:38pm @JessiBreen @rushgeo do any institutions already have plans to use the #currcamp2013 material in their teaching this fall? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:39pm @mappingmashups I don’t think there are plans for the Fall. It’s still very much in development. @wilsonism? @mattzook? #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:40pm @mappingmashups I’m not teaching this year, but I’ll be using them. #geowebchat zook said bsd license?

@joeeckert 12:40pm @JessiBreen pretty sure they said dev this year, teach next. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:41pm @JessiBreen Better use it quick or all your work will be out of date! #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 12:41pm @mappingmashups My work is timeless. ;) #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:42pm Ideally, what would #geowebchat folks want to see in terms of reusable course content from a MOOC like mine? Where should it be hosted?

@joeeckert 12:42pm @mappingmashups that’s a real problem, innit? We fought with that one. #geowebchat

@GPSBaby 12:42pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat think global problems for really big issues…GI for Land Reform .benefits to developing countries great #MOOC

@mappingmashups 12:43pm @joeeckert Licensing is tricky. BSD doesn’t require share-alike, so any instructor using the mat’l doesn’t have to share mods #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:43pm For context, we already offer lots of content via open.ems.psu.edu, but it doesn’t seem like a great way to share widely #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:43pm @joeeckert But if you’d picked a share-alike license that would force others to help keep it all up to date… #geowebchat

@MapGoddess 12:44pm @A_C_Robinson UCGIS is talking about hosting course content/resources for sharing #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:44pm @DonnaGenzmer Ah, interesting. I look forward to hearing more about that. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:44pm .@joeeckert hitting the road from #CurrCamp2013 #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/yFrKNfdydk

@A_C_Robinson 12:45pm @joeeckert CC-Attribution-Share Alike OK or what? That’s what we normally do here with OER. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:45pm @A_C_Robinson In #neogeoweb MOOC, I’d like to see hard core technical material. Coding, client-server communications #geowebchat

@runner_steve 12:45pm @A_C_Robinson I’m looking for exposure to uses of spatial I don’t see at work. Data sets. Where it’s hosted doesn’t matter 2 me. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:45pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat darn phone

@adenas 12:45pm @A_C_Robinson My informal research is that few know of OER and fewer actually use it. There’s an edu opp there! #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:45pm @mappingmashups Nice thing about that is that their institutional policies might restrict them from using share-alike, though #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:46pm @A_C_Robinson Sure. Anything where I can use it in classes for free #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:46pm @ajturner I used the BoK to develop a roadmap for what topics I’d cover in my MOOC, along with the DoL GIS&T competencies. #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 12:47pm @adenas Totally agree. But then we had a student come here from Iran who said we were famous there for our Python & GIS OER. :) #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:52pm Open geoweb edu content may be good way to foster carto literacy in designers. Less maps with classic mistakes, MAUP, etc #geowebchat

@adenas 12:54pm @rushgeo Yes, more content about the underlying basic principles and less tied to a specific exercise or tech is most helpful. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:54pm Translations: OER = Open Educational Resources, DoL = Dept of Labor, GIS&T = Geographic Information Science & Technology #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:54pm @A_C_Robinson @ajturner I used the NCGIA core curriculum A LOT when I started as prof (techie stuff lk ER model). But never BoK. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:55pm BoK = Body of Knowledge, UCGIS = Univ Consortium for GIS: ucgis.org/priorities/edu… #geowebchat

@GPSBaby 12:56pm @rushgeo agree #opendata constrained to country of interest #openeducation no boundaries..#geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:56pm NCGIA = National Center for Geographic Information and Analysis. Oh, and MOOC = Massive Open Online Course! #geowebchat Did I miss any?

@JessiBreen 12:56pm @mappingmashups I’m glad someone speaks academic twitter abbreviations. #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:57pm @mappingmashups Thanks the translations are helpful :-) #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:57pm I mentioned idea of contributing a geoweb core to GIS&T, but probably few things that can be formalized as change is constant #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:58pm We are approaching the end of this #geowebchat… any last thoughts? #currcamp2013 people, where online should we look for results/reports?

@re_sieber 12:58pm .@mappingmashups has become our #neogeoweb acronym decoder #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:59pm @re_sieber I should write a bot to do it. #geowebchat

@rushgeo 12:59pm @mappingmashups Not sure where #CurrCamp2013 stuff will end up or when, but I’ll certainly spread the word when it’s up. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:00pm Remember that as always I’ll be posting the transcript from this chat here: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:00pm @mappingmashups DOO IIIIT. I’d proudly put that on my CV if I did it. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:00pm @mappingmashups We should build on NCGIA model, esp w rapidly changing content: mini MOOCs that are customizable, mix/match #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:00pm Maybe we’ll return to this topic in a few months, after we see how the “Summer of Geo-MOOCs” turns out? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen 1:00pm @mappingmashups If you want to write a twitterbot, we had some good ideas for some during our evening “break out” sessions. :) #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:01pm @re_sieber What we worked on at #CurrCamp2013 might work for that. We had modules that were collected into “classes”… #geowebchat

@rushgeo 1:02pm @re_sieber … but there would be many other ways to arrange them based on goals and other avail. content #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:02pm Next #geowebchat topics: “CyberGIS & the Geoweb” on Jun 18 w/ @agaleszczynski & “Social reputation/credibility” on Jul 2 w/ @floraandflying

@mappingmashups 1:03pm Thanks everybody for joining #geowebchat today, especially the new people! See you every 1st and 3rd Tuesday at the same time!

@MapGoddess 1:03pm @A_C_Robinson new #UCGIS intitiative: #BoK update. John Wilson USC leading the initiative. Skupin, Ahern & Plewe w ideas as well #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:04pm @rushgeo Bld course content that can be delivered online and/or in class. I’m thinking segmented by class but cud b done by goal #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:05pm RT @ThomasG77: BoK PDF aag.org/cs/bok Rediscover it answering to “Learning to think spatially” gis.stackexchange.com/questions/4204… #geowebchat

@jscarto 1:06pm @A_C_Robinson what do you think of a MOOC w/ open content contribution + github-style issues, pull requests? (Assuming oversight)#geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 1:08pm @MapGoddess Yep, I’ve seen the tool Skupin is working on, which is really cool. Can’t wait til v2 of the BoK is out in the wild #geowebchat

@A_C_Robinson 1:09pm @mappingmashups Sounds great to me! I’m eager to share as much as possible about the experience of developing and teaching one. #geowebchat

@AndrewShears 1:20pm Good news: no appendicitis and it seems the #geoweb wiki is back online. #geowebchat

@Abi_Gilmore 2:08pm Aha MT@mappingmashups: “Mapping with Google” online course. RT @adenas: mapping.withgoogle.com/preview #geowebchat #MOOC

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