#geowebchat transcript, 2 July 2013

@re_sieber 10:01am In 2hrs #geowebchat on KRED, KLOUT, other social reputation scores &the #NeoGeoweb hosted by expert @floraandflying groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/…

@floraandflying 10:10am Hey all, I’m hosting a #geowebchat today at 12 PM on social reputation scores & the #NeoGeoweb #yourreputationprecedesyou, BE THERE or be []

@floraandflying 10:11am I am really excited and I know not of all of you are hungover from Canada Day festivities #geowebchat

@floraandflying 11:18am 45 minutes until #geowebchat – reputation, credibility and the #neogeoweb

@PoliticsRadio 11:33am .@floating_sheep’s must-follows: @enf & follow the #geowebchat hashtag.

@michael_d_gould 11:42am @floraandflying darn, will miss the live #geowebchat today. need to run out for dinner…

@re_sieber 11:56am If you want to learn ab how reputation, credibility applies to the #neogeoweb then tune in for today’s #geowebchat happening in 5 minutes.

@floraandflying 12:00pm Hello everyone and welcome to today’s #geowebchat . The topic is credibility and reputation in the #geoweb. Please join the conversation.

@JacqInTheBooks 12:01pm Hi #geowebchat! PhD candidate participating & collecting data from the group for my dissertation. More info here- informallearningonline.webs.com

@re_sieber 12:01pm Hello @floraandflying. Can you begin by explaining KLOUT and KRED to us? #geowebchat

@AllFourPaws_SEA 12:03pm #geowebchat Tailoring to increase your credibility = predetermining your reputation. Fair? Wise?

@JacqInTheBooks 12:04pm Excited for today’s #geowebchat as it’s highly related to my doctoral research :-) Looking forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts!

@re_sieber 12:04pm Can I conflate social reputation and authenticity, the latter of which is critical to volunteered geographic information? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:05pm @JacqInTheBooks Oooh, you don’t get to lurk. You need to at least do participant observation in #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:06pm @AllFourPaws_SEA Is tailoring to increase credibility a polite way to say gaming? #geowebchat

@PatrickMeier 12:06pm Automatically predicting the credibility of tweets and images shared during disasters: bit.ly/14HPD4c #geowebchat #smem

@AllFourPaws_SEA 12:09pm @re_sieber Yes #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:11pm @PatrickMeier article suggests low accur if tweeters dont have hi social rep. Arent these th ppl we want tweeting during crisis? #geowebchat

@AllFourPaws_SEA 12:11pm @re_sieber No. Total introvert with a lousy social rep. might also be the expert on the subject. Social vs subject matter rep? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:11pm @udontknowJacq Thanks, running out of room. Good call. will add them to storify. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:12pm @re_sieber @PatrickMeier I think this is the biggest issue. #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:12pm @PatrickMeier Very interesting. Not surprised so many fake images r spread by retweets. Don’t think many check credibility first #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:13pm @AllFourPaws_SEA w automation don’t we run risk of misjudging fitness of VGI if person doesn’t have hi social rep score? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:14pm @AllFourPaws_SEA @re_sieber It is unlikely that that introvert would be on #twitter, but maycomment in longer form, blog? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:15pm @JacqInTheBooks @PatrickMeier I think ppl just think by Retweeting information, they are adding value, instead they add noise. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:15pm What are valid ways of assessing social rep for crisis reporting? Something like @Couchsurfing ? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:16pm Would it be possible to develop a tool that combines crisis mapping with social kred scores to assess validity? #geowebchat

@AllFourPaws_SEA 12:17pm @re_sieber What if brand new contrib is also expert on scene. First time user of technology maybe. Has no rep score. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:17pm @floraandflying @AllFourPaws_SEA Like distinction btwn social & subj matter rep. Maybe social rep scores are detrimental to VGI? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:17pm @re_sieber @Couchsurfing It seems possible if someone exposes the APIs , I like that idea. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:18pm @re_sieber @Couchsurfing Great minds, #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:18pm @floraandflying @re_sieber Slammed by meetings, but we had some fun with #occupyklout – I’m an expert in geocities! and broccoli #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:18pm @AllFourPaws_SEA EXACTLY: RT What if new contrib is expert on scene. First time user of technology maybe. Has no rep score. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:19pm In the time of crisis, do we have time to validate these tweets or mentions? Is this better used for post-event research? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:20pm @re_sieber @AllFourPaws_SEA For a neophyte, that ernest sure knows his stuff. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:21pm @AllFourPaws_SEA @re_sieber It is unlikely person will use twitter, rely more on using text or longer form to relay info. #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:21pm @floraandflying “It is unlikely that that introvert would be on #twitter” – I’m not sure about this, love to see research on it #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:21pm also, as economic incentives are tied to Klout scores (thanks for the freebies!) gaming the system is lucrative. and [+] #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:22pm @joeeckert In your research, are you looking at user’s reputations? #occupy #geowebchat @re_sieber

@joeeckert 12:22pm @joeeckert as @alogicalfallacy pointed out at AAG, there’s an economic incentive to these companies to allow gaming the system #geowebchat

@PatrickMeier 12:22pm @floraandflying @JacqInTheBooks Crowdsourcing Critical Thinking to Verify Social Media During Crises bit.ly/18WauoE #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:22pm @floraandflying @AllFourPaws_SEA Speaking of tailoring scores, what’s your dog’s KLOUT and KRED? #allwiseandpowerfulErnest #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:23pm @joeeckert Yup, likely to be economic incentives that drive people to sign up services like Klout etc. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:23pm @floraandflying @re_sieber no, no reason to do so. most of my personal work is qualitative, so “saturation” is sufficient #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:23pm @re_sieber @AllFourPaws_SEA Currently, low, but we’ll work on it. #neogeoweb #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:24pm @floraandflying @re_sieber whether or not a person is generally accurate in their statements is largely irrelevant to my work #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:24pm @PatrickMeier @floraandflying @JacqInTheBooks talk ab recursion: crowdsourcing verification when crowdmapping crises #geowebchat

@AllFourPaws_SEA 12:25pm @re_sieber @floraandflying He will defer to his reputation tailor. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:25pm I look at twitter as an open network, how are closed boutique networks such as Research Gate impacting social cred or clout? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:25pm @joeeckert To allow gaming the system and to game it. double commoditization #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:26pm @JacqInTheBooks @floraandflying pretty sure the inverse is true. can’t find a cite, but i remember it from pop press #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:26pm @joeeckert Considering the huge intrusion of #bigdata into VGI research, maybe social rep scores shud inc size of your dataset?? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:26pm @alogicalfallacy @joeeckert good point, but they let it happen. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:27pm @joeeckert @JacqInTheBooks would love to find that reference. I think I was generalizing too much, but I am an expert! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:27pm @re_sieber hah, and we all know that size matters with relation to #bigdata ;) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:28pm @joeeckert Assume your research relies on authenticity of contributor. Social rep could help with that #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:28pm @floraandflying It’s not simply allowed, in certain (many) situations its encouraged. accuracy doesn’t matter, profit does. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:28pm @re_sieber @joeeckert At least your history, duration of your engagement, even if you are an early adopting introvert. #geowebchat

@NancyMiret 12:28pm First time lurking #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:29pm @PatrickMeier @floraandflying Can see value in Verily. During recent Calgary floods, most informed were said to be on sociamedia #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:29pm wow. twubs is a terrible tool (nice fonts though). this chat is a mess, apologies in advance. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:30pm What I find interesting is new channels – instagram, linkedin, facebook can be added to your “package” to calculate your score. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:30pm @NancyMiret Hello first time lurker! Thoughts on social credibility, reputation on #neogeoweb? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:30pm @floraandflying what’s fun with klout – add a new network, then subtract it. ur score drops below where it was. fantastic. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:31pm @re_sieber Sure, maybe. But what “social rep” measures is something different than “accuracy” If I tweet “MANDELA IS DEAD” [+] #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:31pm @JacqInTheBooks Has there been the same prob w/fake images/reports during the Calgary floods that we saw in the US during Sandy? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:32pm @NancyMiret Welcome Nancy! First time hosting, oy! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:32pm @re_sieber the RTs I get are going to seriously boost my soc. rep score without being accurate #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:32pm @alogicalfallacy My delicate ego cannot handle the hit. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:33pm in other words, once granted access, klout demands continued access or punishes. appease the algorithm! #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:33pm @WxDan Not that I’ve heard of as yet in regards to images, but there were cases of misinformation being tweeted & retweeted #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:33pm @WxDan @JacqInTheBooks Welcome Dan! #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:34pm @WxDan Interestingly w/ the misinformation – many were quickly corrected by other tweeters! #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:34pm @alogicalfallacy and keep those $5 gift cards from McDonalds coming #occupyklout #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:34pm @alogicalfallacy RT: When it comes to social reputation scores, you must Appease the Algorithm! #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:35pm @JacqInTheBooks @WxDan The half life of a tweet is so short, one wonders if people follow along enough to see the correction. #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:35pm Regardless of what is happening, doesn’t “social credibility” imply an expectation of accuracy? Can you be credible without? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:36pm @floraandflying basically. your information is the base of their profit, so continued access through ‘individualized’ discipline #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:36pm @floraandflying Especially since I see the purpose/audience/content of instagram, linkedin, FB can often be very different. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:36pm @JacqInTheBooks @PatrickMeier @floraandflying Canada’s a big country. If it’s remote then precision cannot replace accuracy #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:37pm @WxDan agree it implies an expectation, but little requirement for verification – at least in the immediacy of the rewtweet #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:37pm Those of you who are actively on Twitter, do you check the reputation of your new followers before you follow back? #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:37pm Good pt! RT @floraandflying: Half life of a tweet is so short, one wonders if people follow along enough to see the correction #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:37pm @floraandflying hellz no. that’s a lot of clicks for very little useful information. i don’t follow you because you’re popular #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:38pm @JacqInTheBooks Agreed, I am known for my social media and science work, but I sure instagram a lot of basset feet. #geowebchat

@PatrickMeier 12:38pm Using #Mythbuster Tweets to Tackle Rumors During Disasters bit.ly/10moKnc #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:38pm @WxDan “social credibility” is a fancy set of frequency counts and relationships. it has very little to do with accuracy or cred #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:39pm @joeeckert You follow me because I am brilliant. #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:39pm @floraandflying No, but I usually scan the feed. Look for original/unique content, not all replies and RTs. #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:39pm @floraandflying Pay more attention to what kind of content they post – check their tweet history #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:39pm @WxDan That is a great practice. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:40pm @joeeckert 68 . Not shabby, gets me a lot of burgers thanks to you. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:41pm Is there something unique to geography (e.g., geometry, topology) that renders social reputation scores irrelevant? #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:41pm @joeeckert There’s a big disconnect between what I would expect the term to mean and what social cred services actually provide. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:42pm @floraandflying dayum. I’m at 58, but I’m also at my 90-day low. 62 at the highest in the last 3 months. guess i stopped trying #geowebchat

@PatrickMeier 12:42pm List of 16 features that tend to separate credible vs non-credible tweets bit.ly/YPN0wV #geowebchat #bigdata

@joeeckert 12:42pm @WxDan yup. but that’s because industry doesn’t require rigor to boost sales. just the appearance of rigor. #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:43pm #geowebchat MT @PhiBetaKappa As Scholarship Goes Digital, Academics Seek New Ways to Measure Their Impact ow.ly/mAl4B

@floraandflying 12:43pm Trad. VGI & PPGIS seems required a lot of time spent w/stakeholders, using twitter for getting information, is it easier now? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:43pm @joeeckert I will validate you. #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:44pm @floraandflying Glad someone is. XD #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:44pm @PatrickMeier Patrick, as usual, this is great! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:44pm For credibility to matter, contributor should live in, near area. We need to create new metadata so scores inc phys geog #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:45pm @WxDan @joeeckert Agree, especially as we may use them, but for a company looking to target influencers, magick! #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:45pm very sad to see all of my fake #occupyklout topics are gone. it *almost* looks like an actual list of things i know about #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:46pm @re_sieber Yes, if that person is willing to share their location. You can infer it from your expertise – eg. Klout #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:46pm @floraandflying NO. Virtual activity cannot replace physicality of trust. We also saw that in Arab Spring newyorker.com/reporting/2010… #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:47pm @re_sieber This would make for a really great grant proposal. Cannot wait for you to get here. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:47pm @joeeckert I am afraid to delete chicken nuggets for fear of my score plummeting #occupyklout #geowebchat

@WxDan 12:48pm @re_sieber If we linked geographic relevance to social cred, do you think it would lead to an increase in geotagging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:48pm @floraandflying Can’t infer location frm expertise if ur expat. Issue in Mtl w expat Anglophone community, active in politics #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:49pm @re_sieber Agree, while you can sell it as easier because there is no direct contact, you lose a lot of granularity with twitter #geowebchat

@AllFourPaws_SEA 12:49pm @re_sieber Can we relate info topologically to validate it regardless of score of contrib. Closer things should be more alike… #geowebchat

@JacqInTheBooks 12:50pm Yes! RT @WxDan: If we linked geographic relevance to social cred, do you think it would lead to an increase in geotagging? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:50pm @re_sieber problem with that type of metadata is define “live”? 1 mth sublet there now vs 9 year resident on vacation? #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:50pm @re_sieber is this a place names issue? #geowebchat #location

@re_sieber 12:50pm @WxDan Really interesting question. Yes, if remoteness didn’t detract from score #geowebchat

@joeeckert 12:50pm @WxDan @re_sieber sure – but you’ll mostly have folks as experts in whatever restaurant they’re eating at. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:50pm Rather than typology, @localmind has an emergent means of generating expertise based on actions taken in area. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:51pm @re_sieber @AllFourPaws_SEA this is an excellent question. I would think you would put more weight on someone who is a local #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:51pm @AllFourPaws_SEA Love it! Tobler’s Law as applied to KLOUT and KRED #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:51pm Basically gain expertise at location you check in and two spatial levels above that. it was slick, then airbnb bought them. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:53pm @alogicalfallacy @localmind That would be an interesting thing to compare. Not familiar with local mind. Thanks! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:53pm @floraandflying No. If it was just placenames then we wudnt have problem. It’s a geometry (pt, poly) or topology (adjacent) prob #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:54pm @alogicalfallacy However, useful for their marketing and business. They are no dummies and they send some mean donuts. @Airbnb #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:55pm @floraandflying Ha. I wasn’t knocking airbnb. they’ve got some clever stuff up their sleeve. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:55pm In your perfect world, how would measure credibility in the #geoweb ?#geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:55pm @alogicalfallacy If youre not gaming physical checkin then you could tie checkin to social cred, altho this allows for tourists. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 12:58pm @floraandflying In my perfect world, I wouldn’t. Not through an algorithm anyway. But that’s just me. ;) Later everyone. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:58pm Hey #neogeos We’re almost out of time here. I hope you enjoyed our twitterchat on reputation and credibility on the social web. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:59pm @floraandflying In @osm can use early adopter, # GPS traces, edits, curation to measure credibility. Altho, its not where u live #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:00pm Great #geowebchat today, @floraandflying. Time flies fast, doesn’t it?

@floraandflying 1:00pm Thanks for your time and this opportunity. I am unsure who is up next, but I’m sure it will be great. . #geowebchat

@floraandflying 1:01pm @re_sieber Yup. Now I can have a leisurely four minute lunch before my next meeting. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy 1:08pm @floraandflying Fantastic job running #geowebchat today. Interesting topic and lots of great insights.

@floraandflying 6:36pm Loved that my weather geek twitterer amigo @WxDan was on #geowebchat #worldcollide

@WxDan 7:03pm @floraandflying It was fun! I like weeks where I can actually contribute to #geowebchat

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