#geowebchat transcript 3 December 2013: geoweb tribes redux


@mappingmashups Nov 30, 7:06am Next #geowebchat: “geoweb tribes”. Is it #geoweb or #cybergis? #neogeography or #neocartography? It’s sharks vs jets, Dec 3 12pm PT! Pls RT!

@CostanzaAsnaghi Dec 02, 12:33am @mappingmashups Would you mind providing background context to tomorrow’s #geowebchat?

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 7:52am @CostanzaAsnaghi For #geowebchat context, try these transcripts: mappingmashups.net/2012/03/06/geo…, mappingmashups.net/2013/06/18/geo…, & mappingmashups.net/2011/07/31/geo…

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 10:12am Today on #geowebchat, 12pm PT: discussing turf battles between geoweb, cybergis, neogeography, neocartography & more: mappingmashups.net/2013/12/01/nex…

@neogeografen Dec 03, 10:18am kl 21:00 er der webchat #geowebchat – i dag om defintioner – ” neogeographer, neocartographer, GIS 2, Map 2″ osv mappingmashups.net/2013/12/01/nex…

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 10:30am For context in today’s #geowebchat , see the #AAG panel session proposal we submitted: Battle of the Tribes. ow.ly/rpDCn

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 11:35am Michael Jones’ final paragraph in this interview could feed an entirely different #geowebchat geospatialworld.net/Interview/View… Maybe later.

@re_sieber Dec 03, 11:39am 20 minutes to #geowebchat: what tribe are you? geoweber, cybergiser, neogeographer, neocartographer, GIScientist? Maybe you’re anti-tribe.

@CostanzaAsnaghi Dec 03, 11:56am Everyone following #geowebchat, context here: “mappingmashups.net/2012/03/06/geo…, mappingmashups.net/2013/06/18/geo…, & mappingmashups.net/2011/07/31/geo…” @mappingmashups

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 11:59am Welcome to today’s #cyberGISchat, no, #neogeographyChat, no, #geowebchat . The deck is stacked at the outset. :)

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:01pm Hi everyone, today’s #geowebchat will be guided by @michael_d_gould & @re_sieber. We’re talking about geoweb “tribes” mappingmashups.net/2013/12/01/nex…

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:01pm The Battle of the Tribes idea stems from a proto-debate started at AAG Los Angeles. #geowebchat

@CostanzaAsnaghi Dec 03, 12:02pm Thanks @mappingmashups for organizing the #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:02pm Hello everyone, I’m a GIScientist. That’s where current academic legitimacy is. Tribe based on what gets you ahead #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:02pm Thanks @michael_d_gould for hosting and @mappingmashups for organizing! #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:03pm @re_sieber was tossing critical comments over the wall during one of many #cyberGIS AAG panel sessions. I was a panelist. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:03pm GIScience is not where the fun is, though #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:04pm @re_sieber agreed. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:04pm Not that I define myself as a cyberGISer. But the topic was teaching the stuff. #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:05pm I would define myself as a geographer, not as a GIScience or cyberGISer. I am not what I teach. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:05pm FYI Today’s #geowebchat is a teaser for @michael_d_gould & @re_sieber’s #AAG2014 panel w/ @geographiliac @ajturner @swuiuc & Sara Fabrikant

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:05pm I was also trained as a GI Scientist, before the more famous MG coined the term. #geowebchat Then I moved to Spain and got practical :(

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:06pm @geographiliac But are you also not what you research? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:07pm when I moved to an IT department I started talking “geospatial technologies”. Whatever gets you funded?. #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Dec 03, 12:07pm @michael_d_gould there’s a more famous MG ?? #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:07pm @mappingmashups we all have nuances of research that blend with all aspects of our lives. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:08pm @geographiliac My job was GIS applications in environment. I had to bld my bona fides to join #GIScience tribe. #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:08pm also, I technically teach in a “GeoSpatial Studies” program, and not in Geography, technology, GIS, etc… #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:09pm @geographiliac is your nuanced mix in the UNESCO scientific category list? #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:09pm I’m a cartozygon…morph into most of so-called tribes depending on circumstances #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:10pm @geographiliac My background is in #PPGIS. Uphill battle to gain legitimay for public particip GIS in #GIScience tribe #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:10pm @michael_d_gould is there a list? #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:11pm @re_sieber and I thank you for fighting that battle!!!! #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:11pm Is #neogeography still alive? if not, what comes after neo? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:11pm @re_sieber As a member of the #PPGIS tribe, do you disavow #PGIS? Some tribal battles never get settled, ppl just move on. #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:11pm You are what you are. Education. Experience. Context. Employment. Opinions. Tribal distinction is uneccesarily divisive #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Dec 03, 12:11pm @michael_d_gould @geographiliac @re_sieber belonging to a tribe builds identity – key in academia and industry? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:11pm @kennethfield Cartozygote? Cartocylon? Cartotrope? #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:12pm I appreciate the path @michael_d_gould @re_sieberhave paved for those of us that integrate critical thought and GIS #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:12pm @geographiliac here are the UNESCO 6-digit codes. Do you exist? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:13pm @mappingmashups Yes, some internecine tribal battles, like #ppgis v #pgis never die #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:13pm @michael_d_gould My problem with #neogeography isn’t that it implies a #paleo, just that calling anything “neo” is bad idea. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Dec 03, 12:13pm Are we all ‘special snowflakes’? Makes it challenging to compare for job hire, funding decisions without a category to excel in #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:14pm @michael_d_gould Nothing stays new forever. We need terms that actually describe what something is. #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Dec 03, 12:14pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups only because the stakes are so low? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:14pm @mappingmashups But when you’ve got something cool and new, neo sounds great for a while! #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:15pm good point–if we are now “neo-geography” what do we call the next “neo-”? #geowebchat

@ajturner Dec 03, 12:15pm @mappingmashups you mean like neoclassical, neonatal, neocon, neolithic, neoprene, neon? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:15pm Also @agaleszczynski makes great points about why the “neo” label serves certain ppls interests tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.108… #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Dec 03, 12:15pm @geographiliac neo-neo? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Dec 03, 12:15pm I teach a class called ‘computer cartography’. How old school is that? Changed it to ‘principles of GIScience’. Good move? #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Dec 03, 12:15pm @mappingmashups @michael_d_gould Tell that to “Modern Dance” and “Contemporary Art” Not that those make much sense now. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:16pm @peterajohnson @michael_d_gould @geographiliac tribes is what they is. Place @ the table, whether VCs, journals, or grants #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:16pm the UNESCO codes : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6-digit_U… #geowebchat Do you exist?

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:16pm @peterajohnson I teach a class on “print cartography”… I am not sure why. #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Dec 03, 12:16pm @geographiliac or what was neo- becomes retro-neo? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:16pm @vtcraghead No, I think people realized their mistake with “modern” and have managed to keep “contemporary”‘s true meaning #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:17pm @michael_d_gould 5499 #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Dec 03, 12:17pm @geographiliac I’m assuming there is no digital cartography class offered the following semester? ;) #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:17pm @peterajohnson just “advanced cartography” #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:18pm Print cartography? nice, you guys are making me feel neo. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:18pm Remember hearing @ one of Where 2.0′s, old guard #geowankers complaining ab new crowd #geowebchat

@dbouwman Dec 03, 12:18pm @ajturner when I first made maps, some would have accused me of being into “geo-neon” #notacartographer #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:18pm @michael_d_gould but it’s a question–what does “neo-geo-web” replace in the geography curriculum? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:19pm @geographiliac If you’re 5499 “other geographical specialities” can we have “neo-other geographical specialties”? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Dec 03, 12:19pm @geographiliac @michael_d_gould I’m sure “other” gets thrown in the granting agency trash. Or reviewed by interns #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:19pm is neogeography or geoweb “GIS”? It seems more critical than just GIS. #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Dec 03, 12:19pm I remember rubylith, scribe coat, and zip-a-tone. Makes me appreciate digital (neo-) mapping. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:19pm @geographiliac nice to meet you 5499. I’m 3399 #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:20pm and if GIS, which is broadly accepted has no UNESCO class, how can we expect specializations to have one? #geowebchat

@dillonm Dec 03, 12:20pm Love this RT @geographiliac: @peterajohnson I teach a class on “print cartography”… I am not sure why. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:20pm @mikehyslop @geographiliac I wanted to be the 1st retro-neogeographer but @ajturner, @RichGibson have me beat #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:20pm @geographiliac How is GIS by definition not critical? could be, or not. depends on who. #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:20pm @michael_d_gould I’m also 5404–regional geography of the internet. #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:21pm A map is a map is a map. Mode of production & tech change gives rise to tribal tendencies & new players like being ‘different’ #geowebchat

@CostanzaAsnaghi Dec 03, 12:21pm I believe I am 5703. #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Dec 03, 12:22pm agreed – it’s difficult to pick just ONE UNESCO category. Must research. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:22pm @geographiliac neogeography, geoweb is more critical than GIS only in geography. NOT in industry or other academic disciplines #geowebchat

@rastrau Dec 03, 12:22pm .@kennethfield what we put on maps or what we consider mappable has changed, though, no? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:22pm Cyber infrastructure, and by association, cyberGIS, is getting attention ($$) from NSF. Discuss. #geowebchat

@CostanzaAsnaghi Dec 03, 12:23pm @kennethfield I don’t agree with that. A map is not just a map. It really depends on what it was meant for. #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:23pm @re_sieber is industry particularly critical? #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:24pm .@rastrau I don’t think its changed as much as some would like you to believe #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:24pm @kennethfield I find myself rarely using the word map in my day to day work. #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Dec 03, 12:24pm I’m loving Special Snowflake. cc @peterajohnson #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Dec 03, 12:24pm @michael_d_gould hey, if you can hop on that bandwagon, why not? #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:24pm @michael_d_gould also a few job ads mention cyberGIS rather than one of the terms we would prefer to classify ourselves as #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:24pm @michael_d_gould there’s a reason for that ;-) #geowebchat

@ajturner Dec 03, 12:25pm @rastrau actually, I think we’ve gone back to what we used to map. personal narratives slideshare.net/ajturner/libra… @kennethfield #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:25pm @michael_d_gould #cyberGIS, outgrowth of another NSF catogory #cyberinfrastructure is receiving millions of research funds #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:26pm @ajturner wouldn’t that imply this isn’t something new… or neo? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:26pm @peterajohnson so is it You are what you research, or You are what’s being funded? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:27pm @geographiliac Many professions are reflective, in that they develop best practices, ethics #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:27pm @michael_d_gould @peterajohnson I think you are what you research, but you may or may not be funded… #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Dec 03, 12:27pm @michael_d_gould @peterajohnson and what you research is often what IS being funded. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:28pm @kennethfield isn’t a map just a casual graphical viz of a subset of spatial database? #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Dec 03, 12:29pm @michael_d_gould @kennethfield That’s exactly how ol’ Gerardus would have put it :) #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:30pm @re_sieber Many engineering fields and GISP have ethical components to their prof programs. does that make them critical? #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:30pm @michael_d_gould @re_sieber I don’t think ethics and critiques are the same. #geowebchat

@SWolfinbarger Dec 03, 12:30pm I’m a GIScientist/practitioner. I agree w @peterajohnson that it’s easy to bc a ‘special snowflake’ & hard to employ! #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:31pm Most neo-mapping is a reinvention of some paleo-stuff just in different clothes. Fashions change. You just gotta roll with it #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:31pm @michael_d_gould @kennethfield Map as output of db argument doesn’t work w funding agencies & my colleagues. Map still powerful #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:31pm @re_sieber you had a good critical point at AAG2013 about what is being taught to (some) undergrads in GIS class. remember? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:33pm @geographiliac @michael_d_gould Yes, ethics & critiques arent same but they are good start for industry #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:34pm @michael_d_gould casual graphical viz? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:34pm @kennethfield you’re thinking of those Cindy Lauper remakes of Stones and Dylan hits, right? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:35pm @michael_d_gould Hm, I slag off so much of my discipline (including what I myself do), I kind of forget my own critiques! #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:35pm @michael_d_gould you’re in danger of straying quite some way from #geowebchat into #sadchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:35pm @kennethfield happenstance ;) #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:37pm @re_sieber I also forget the details so I will bait you no more. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:38pm so think back to the paleo definition of GIS, and tell us what the new stuff does that’s, er, new. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:40pm @geographiliac, @peterajohnson interesting that teaching lags so far behind what’s considered hot in funding circles #geowebchat

@ajturner Dec 03, 12:40pm Names are a container to reference multi-faceted concepts. neologisms are a tool to conceive reformulation of those concepts #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Dec 03, 12:41pm @michael_d_gould Engage the lay public? :) #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 12:41pm There’s nothing particularly new. Only the delivery of maps/geospatial data has increased in volume, velocity, and distribution. #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Dec 03, 12:41pm @michael_d_gould I’m not sure it’s the what that’s new, but how, e.g., web processing & content delivery #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 12:42pm The basic functions of geo remains: navigation, visualization of spatial relations, and data creation #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:42pm not just the delivery, but the creation and dissemination…crowdsourced, participatory, mobile, democratizing, sharable, etc. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:42pm @michael_d_gould cyber focuses on architectre; geoweb on cloud, viz; GIS on algorithms &db. Neogeo focuses on disdain for paleo? #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:43pm It’s the same old thing on a new platform… hence geoweb is an appropriate name. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:43pm @ajturner I’m using that in my next grant application. Not. ;-) #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:43pm @vtcraghead so one could say that GIS now engages the lay public. How to define where old ends and new starts? #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 12:43pm As my remote sensing prof said, “We’re either lumpers or splitters.” #geowebchat

@kennethfield Dec 03, 12:44pm I wrote a blog on fallacy of new cartography a while ago. offers my perspective …save for post #geowebchat cartonerd.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-fa…

@mikehyslop Dec 03, 12:45pm @spara lumping & splitting applies to any discipline where you need to categorize… #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:45pm @re_sieber or did #geoweb swipe things from neogeography’s garage while it was on holiday? #geowebchat

@mapserving Dec 03, 12:45pm @spara hey I thought I was the only one with actual geo training these days lol. #geowebchat

@simonchabel Dec 03, 12:46pm How can we incorporate new tech to finally give voice to white men on the internet? #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 12:46pm @mikehyslop This discussion splits hairs centered around technique. I’d rather lump and move on. #geowebchat

@eknalprev Dec 03, 12:46pm #geowebchat isn’t it becoming more and more about low and high end use of Geo that separates users?

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:46pm @spara Maybe maps are either lumpers or splitters, too. John Krygier: “Are Maps Autistic?” ubikcan.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/kry… #geowebchat

@simonchabel Dec 03, 12:47pm What can the geoweb teach us about racial bias among and between different cat breeds? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:47pm @michael_d_gould @ajturner #geowankers originated term geoweb. Don’t know if it’s a separate tribe from #neogeography #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Dec 03, 12:48pm @michael_d_gould I would have called it a generational thing, but the tech timescale has compressed everything. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:48pm @re_sieber #Geoweb is somewhat different from #neogeography, but I see it mostly as an academic-friendly rebranding of neogeo #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:48pm @re_sieber talk about a tribe name to help in your grant proposal! #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:49pm @mappingmashups @re_sieber I thought the privilege of being an academic was deciding what to name things. #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 12:49pm Are you part of the #georatti ? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:50pm @geographiliac @re_sieber But it’s the privilege of the non-academics to completely ignore us. :) #geoweb has not caught on. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:50pm @geographiliac well said, 5499 #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:50pm @mappingmashups but how many people are watching #geowebchat?

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:51pm All the industry people I work with know that what they do is not #GIS, but they don’t call it #geoweb either. It’s just #geo. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:52pm @mappingmashups Geoweb could certainly use a rigorous definition. Or did I miss that conference paper? #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 12:52pm @geographiliac @mappingmashups There’s probably a correlation between lunch and #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:52pm @spara @mappingmashups only for those of us on the west coast! #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:52pm are any neo-geo-webbers participating in the CartoDB webinar? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:54pm @re_sieber Maybe. I’d also attribute to less neogeo outfits like Galdos. Today @MapBox, @cartoDB etc wouldn’t say #geoweb. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Dec 03, 12:54pm @geographiliac I am. :) #geowebchat

@CostanzaAsnaghi Dec 03, 12:54pm @geographiliac I am, too! #geowebchat

@jimmyrocks Dec 03, 12:54pm Are mobile apps still considered geo”web” even if they don’t use anything coming over http? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 12:54pm @mappingmashups @geographiliac Do the @stamen ppl consider themselves a tribe? Do they hold the mantle of true geography? #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 12:55pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups I thought of @stamen as neo-cartographers…. #geowebchat

@simonchabel Dec 03, 12:56pm If neogeography is the way forward, can we keep a paleogeography for those who long for a simpler time? #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:56pm @re_sieber good question. Our AAG panel assumes most people in the room will be geographers. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:56pm @re_sieber @geographiliac I think @stamen, @MapBox, @cartoDB, etc maybe see themselves as a “#geo” tribe. But not “geographers” #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 12:56pm @geographiliac @re_sieber @mappingmashups @stamen Is @MapBox a tribe as well? How about @cartoDB tribe? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:57pm @geographiliac @re_sieber I still don’t know what to do with “#neocartography”. But why not? #geowebchat

@simonchabel Dec 03, 12:58pm Will the neogeoweb finally bring stalking to the masses? #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 12:58pm @simonchabel Already has #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 12:58pm There’s definitely a #geobeers #geobreakfast #geomeetup #geoHH #geomob tribe. #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 12:59pm @re_sieber in Tampa (panel session) should we have a giant whiteboard and have attendees draw venn diagrams? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 1:00pm @jimmyrocks I definitely include mobile apps as part of the geo “web” of data. I like that “web” can be a broad term #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 1:00pm @mappingmashups #geobeers , something we can all agree on! What a fitting near ending of this #geowebchat

@spara Dec 03, 1:00pm @michael_d_gould @re_sieber Whiteboard? Please, it should be done collaboratively online using d3 #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 1:00pm .@eknalprev I think most of the tribal talk is where one is in rung in the geo app/software user/developer ladder #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 1:02pm @spara @michael_d_gould d3 likely outside experience of many attendees @ our #AAG2014 panel on geo tribes #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 1:02pm When is the @cartoDB thing happening? cartodb.com/academy #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 1:02pm @mappingmashups @cartoDB now. #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 1:02pm @mappingmashups cartodb.com/academy #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 1:03pm As @michael_d_gould points out, we are wrapping up today’s #geowebchat. Feel free to keep chatting, though. Transcript will follow soon.

@re_sieber Dec 03, 1:03pm .@geographiliac @mappingmashups I retain the academic privilege to decide what to name things, no matter how irrelevant #geowebchat

@geographiliac Dec 03, 1:03pm Thanks for organizing @re_sieber, @michael_d_gould and @mappingmashups !!! #geowebchat

@nixzusehen Dec 03, 1:04pm @re_sieber I think it’s more what your background was. To a first approximation: Were you a dev or a GIS person first? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 03, 1:05pm Fun #geowebchat today battling over which geo tribes are in, out, relevant or not

@michael_d_gould Dec 03, 1:05pm Thanks everybody. More fun, live, in Tampa next April @aag. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 03, 1:06pm I love it! #geowebchat RT @nelson: @mappingmashups I’m partial to the phrase “#nogis”, but it’s mildly insulting.

@re_sieber Dec 03, 1:07pm @nixzusehen I was a developer b4 I returned to university. But my tech in university was mostly GIS. #geowebchat

@enf Dec 03, 1:11pm @nelson @mappingmashups Reminding me of @migurski’s excellent #nogis presentation from a few years ago: mike.teczno.com/notes/nogis-sl… #geowebchat

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