#geowebchat transcript: 18 February 2014: the geography of #lifelogging

@mappingmashups Feb 12, 3:01pm @re_sieber So, should I put “the geoweb and lifelogging” on the #geowebchat calendar for Feb 18?

@re_sieber Feb 12, 6:15pm @mappingmashups sure, why not lifelogging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 6:19pm To get a good perspective on the future of lifelogging, read the #sf novel, The Light of Other Days en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 12, 7:05pm First #sf novel assigned as #geowebchat reading: MT @re_sieber: the future of lifelogging: The Light of Other Days en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light…

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:24pm Lifelogging=documenting the minutia of your life + the cloud. Pogue says be wary of the latter scientificamerican.com/article/were-f… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:25pm Lifelogging: if you keep your life on the cloud, what happens when your life gets the blue screen of death? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:27pm What’s the Clippy version of fitbit? “It looks like you’re having a heart attack”? #lifelogging #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:28pm Is a lifelogged on the cloud, life on a leash? scientificamerican.com/article/were-f… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:31pm Interesting tension btwn the performative (instagram what I eat) & the real (fitbit) in lifelogging. Can’t easily fake heartrate #geowebchat

@razsc Feb 13, 9:10am @re_sieber Yes! Also, this: research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/defa… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 13, 12:17pm RT @spara: Another case for life logging medium.com/p/9f53ef6a1c10 #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 1:38pm Just in time for our #geowebchat on #lifelogging: 10 things you need to know about lifelogging themorningsun.com/article/zz/201…

@re_sieber Feb 13, 1:42pm What lifelogging looks like in an infographic rossscrivener.co.uk/blog/life-logg… #geowebchat Is it just me or is this #TMI?

@anabrandusescu Feb 13, 1:52pm @re_sieber tmi. voluntary participation in this level of tracking/surveillance is beyond me #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 2:01pm Another technology for #lifelogging: the narrative clip. Time+location+photos @ regular intervals slashgear.com/narrative-clip… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 2:09pm Lifelogging”creates generatn gap btwn those w blinds closed &those w glass house who play catch w stones” npr.org/templates/stor… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 2:59pm .@steveliang you should bring your expertise on the Internet of Things to our #geowebchat on #lifelogging Tues, 1pm MT

@re_sieber Feb 13, 3:24pm Can’t talk about #lifelogging without referring to one of its pioneers–Steve Mann blog.getnarrative.com/tag/lifegloggi… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 5:27pm In preparation for Tues #geowebchat on #lifelogging & yet another excuse for #sf, participants could watch Star Trek, S4E11 Data’s Day

@re_sieber Feb 13, 10:27pm A new app for #lifelogging, or rather the quantified self mvmt: bellabeat techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/mee… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 14, 12:09am If we can retain real memories w #lifelogging what ab false memories? See #sf Total Recall or We Can Remember It 4 You Wholesale #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 14, 12:49pm Next #geowebchat: The Geography of Lifelogging. Guest host: @re_sieber mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the… Tues Feb 18, 12pm PST

@mappingmashups Feb 14, 12:51pm @aaronpk @caseorganic you (or someone you know) might be interested in our upcoming #geowebchat about lifelogging: mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the…

@mappingmashups Feb 17, 2:21pm Tomorrow (Tuesday) at 12pm PST: #geowebchat about #lifelogging lead by @re_sieber. Food for thought here: mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the…

@re_sieber 10:14am In anticipation of today’s #geowebchat on #lifelogging, a patent for archiving experiences based on geographic cues google.com/patents/US2009…

@mappingmashups 10:20am Today (Tuesday) on #geowebchat we’re discussing #lifelogging. More info: mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the… Join us at 12pm PST, 3pm EST, 8pm GMT.

@re_sieber 10:24am Re #lifelogging #geowebchat, pure.ltu.se/portal/files/4… “Reminisc’g prev locs tgthr tightens soc bonds.” Must everythg digital strengthen ties?

@re_sieber 10:26am I’m increasingly convinced that geography is the low hanging fruit of archiving, categorizing any #bigdata, inc #lifelogging. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 10:43am In anticipation of today’s #geowebchat, categorizing #lifelogging by where a person lingers pure.ltu.se/portal/files/4… Hm, lifelogging flaneurs.

@re_sieber 10:45am @scottbellSK: we’re #geowebchat-ting today at 3pmET on #lifelogging

@bricker 11:13am #geowebchat @nytimes Fitbit Review nyti.ms/1a2jIDq conclusion matches that of Kessler 2011 #CaGIS who cares? No one looking.

@re_sieber 12:01pm Welcome to the #geowebchat on #lifelogging

@mappingmashups 12:01pm Hello everyone, welcome to today’s #geowebchat about #lifelogging. @re_sieber has posted a some Qs to get us started: mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the…

@re_sieber 12:02pm First question for #geowebchat: Are you #lifelogging? If so, how?

@re_sieber 12:02pm Are you instagramming meals, using fitbit, posting status updates, social checkins? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:03pm Also, welcome lurkers to #geowebchat. It’s your chance to tweet hello.

@erictheise 12:04pm i have 12,156 4sq checkins; when i find the right gadget, i’ll probably capture fitness data #lifelogging #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:04pm .@floraandflying, how are you lifelogging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:06pm @erictheise What drives you to #lifelogging? Is it ab capturing geography? #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:06pm i also belong to a #QuantifiedSelf meetup (meetup.com/quantifiedself/) but have only attended one or two meetings #geowebchat

@underdarkGIS 12:06pm If I would be lifelogging, I wouldn’t put the data in the cloud. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:07pm @re_sieber Does it still count as #lifelogging if you are purposely giving incorrect information? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:07pm @re_sieber I’ve found when I do #lifelogging, I rarely look at the data later. The immediate social aspects more gratifying. #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:07pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups Hi from NYC & the ether. Happy to join this #geowebchat!

@erictheise 12:07pm it’s about augmenting memory, @re_sieber, geography is part of it, but assisting recall is the driver #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:08pm that’s #lieLogging, @AngharadStone #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:09pm #geowebchat I’m into #lifelogging ‘lite’ & have been mostly instagramming these days tho was an early adopter of twitter, 4square, etc.

@re_sieber 12:09pm .@AngharadStone Throwing chaff into wind usage of #lifelogging is fascinating. Highlights tension btwn real (fitbit)&performance #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:10pm @mappingmashups What are the immediate social benies of #lifelogging if not reexamining the data? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:11pm @funksoup @mappingmashups Hi from NYC as well (112th&Broadway) #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:11pm #geowebchat @erictheise it’s abt augmenting memory but also sourcing the hive. As Deleuze might say: reaching out beyond our sound walls

@eramirez 12:12pm #geowebchat Saw you’re talking about lifelogging & location. Check out a vis of 3.5yrs of 4sq checkins reddit.com/r/dataisbeauti… by @johnschrom

@mappingmashups 12:12pm @re_sieber @AngharadStone perhaps whether or not you’d lie distinguishes personal #lifelogging from social media performance? #geowebchat

@enf 12:13pm @re_sieber I’ve been carrying around a GPS receiver for ages, the main result being things like flickr.com/photos/2443138… #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:13pm @re_sieber, immediate benefits include knowing that @mappingmashups is at the grocery co-op at the same time i’m there. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:14pm @erictheise so was your check-in at the Four Square church a #lielog? (has been bothering me for ages) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm @re_sieber comparing own immediate performance to others (like on @Strava)… Is that #lifelogging or just a diff use of tool! #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:16pm ha ha, @AngharadStone, that was completely for real, i even included a picture of the church of foursqare #geowebchat

@spara 12:16pm If you had an Android phone and gmail, Google would conveniently provide track of you movements #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:17pm .@mappingmashups @Strava so #lifelogging is performance as opposed to performativity (eg on social media)? #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:18pm @mappingmashups @re_sieber sorry could you explain social media performance? #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:18pm #lifelogging proves innocence in #lieLogging charge: foursquare.com/erictheise/che… #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:19pm #geowebchat Immediate benefits of #lifelogging=immediacy of feedback/rscs & linking the physical to the digital

@spara 12:20pm Devices like Google Glass and Narrative life catalog your POV vs devices such as FitBit that catalog your reaction. Data fusion #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:21pm @AngharadStone @mappingmashups Performance-soc media is person you want to be, not person you are. Warrior not couch tater #geowebchat

@wilsonism 12:22pm #geowebchat I tend to think of #lifelogging as just another permutation of conspicuous mobility, a new tactic for the waning #checkin

@re_sieber 12:22pm Q2: 2. Where’s the geography in all of this #lifelogging? Or is it all ab time (eg @ericthiese)? #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:25pm @re_sieber where you would have got a map made of your “empire”, now your #lifelog is your “empire” #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:27pm @AngharadStone #lifelogging becomes your terra cognito, your discovering territory #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:28pm @AngharadStone When you are totally captured only then can you evoke total ownership of your #lifelogging territory? #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:29pm #geowebchat Bringing in dimension of geography ties physical place to digital space in concrete way. Re-defines how we can ‘touch’

@re_sieber 12:30pm pure.ltu.se/portal/files/4… proposes activity identification, segmentation from point clusters. Lingering determines place #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:30pm #geowebchat mobile geographies and the travelling self – documented stories both fiction and fact for some and all that want to listen?

@geothinkca 12:31pm #geowebchat – Humboldt documented the other over there – now we document ourselves right here…or there

@spara 12:31pm The problem with #lifelogging is that all your data goes to the device manufacturer by default. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:32pm Big challenge in #lifelogging is categ, archiving #bigdata. Hence use of geog to create value shoud ppl recollect their data #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:33pm @spara chx out feltron.com no device need on the extreme end. #geowebchat – but easy and access are king.

@re_sieber 12:33pm .@geothinkca #lifelogging as the internal geography, the sinews of our personal cartography #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:35pm .@spara mentions the corporate capture of #lifelogging, good lead-in into Q3: What are the implications of #lifelogging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:37pm Q2. recap: I thought #geowebchat’ers would talk tech w regards to #lifelogging geographies. Instead it’s personal cartographies.

@geothinkca 12:37pm @re_sieber well then #geowebchat internal sure – interpreted by outside absolutely – either one or the other at any point probably not

@floraandflying 12:37pm @re_sieber damn, too late. I’m instagramming. uploading to flickr and putting in a 365 collection & geotagging some locs. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:38pm @re_sieber and for fitness (such that it is), Fitbit records my activity or lack of it. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:38pm @re_sieber @spara Should we be worried about the implications of #lifelogging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:39pm .@floraandflying What’s the implication of all your #lfelogging via instagram sharing? #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:40pm @re_sieber #geowebchat Implications of #lifelogging:privacy of course & obsolescence – what happens if/when that platform/svc goes belly up?

@geothinkca 12:40pm @AngharadStone @re_sieber @spara #geowebchat will we be required to produce annual reports like annual income taxes? feltron.com

@re_sieber 12:41pm .@floraandflying fitbit records the memory of your Ernest activity #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:41pm @re_sieber could you expand your recap of q2? i don’t understand what you’re saying about your expectations. #geowebchat

@spara 12:41pm @re_sieber @floraandflying We analyze instagram photos and get data from them. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:42pm @geothinkca @AngharadStone @spara Will we have to reconcile our fitbit activity to our New Year’s resolutions? #geowebchat #MyTechnologyLies

@funksoup 12:42pm #geowebchat @re_sieber Also, our #lifelogging is subject to the constantly changing landscape of TOS’s. #OurDataIsNotOurOwn

@floraandflying 12:42pm @re_sieber nothing really. Just like to remember where I have been and what shoes I was wearing. Emerging patterns too. #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:43pm @spara @re_sieber @floraandflying #geowebchat – cool Feature detection, meta-tags – other – all the above?

@floraandflying 12:43pm @re_sieber yes. that too! #geowebchat

@spara 12:43pm @re_sieber @geothinkca @AngharadStone If you want to measure progress, then yes. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:43pm @spara @re_sieber Spara – need to learn more about this. Let’s connect. #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:43pm @spara @re_sieber @AngharadStone #geowebchat – Yikes – I just got an eerie feeling.

@re_sieber 12:44pm @erictheise I thought #geowebchat’ers would primarily talk on mashing up #lifelogging maps. Instead more imaginary, personal mappings.

@floraandflying 12:44pm @geothinkca @spara @re_sieber location info, mood – interior – cranky, exterior/outdoors – happy? Weather? #geowebchat

@spara 12:45pm @floraandflying @geothinkca @re_sieber most of those things, there’s a lot of data in photos that’s not currently being used #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:46pm In an era of total capture, measure of a man via heartrate, can I be my imagined WOW self? My aspiration, not my reality #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:46pm @spara @geothinkca @re_sieber people, metadata is the new black and our photos even machine tags have a lot of useful info. #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:46pm @floraandflying @spara @re_sieber #geowebchat Would really like to get with you on that after the chat! Sounds intriguing!

@spara 12:46pm #geowebchat I’m currently analyzing happening after-hours venues for SXSW

@geothinkca 12:47pm #geowebchat I currently make sure I try to erase my logs as I make them – count?

@re_sieber 12:47pm Prize in social network analysis is capturing actual behavior, not perception. #lifelogging (esp ambient kind) allows that #geowebchat

@spara 12:48pm #geowebchat Here’s what we analyze from Instagram photos petewarden.com/2013/12/04/wha…

@re_sieber 12:49pm #lifelogging (eg w Google Glass) can create new redlining. “Hey nobody seems to go here. So I won’t.” #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:50pm @re_sieber removes the self-identity bias when out of our control (i.e., set it and forget it) logging. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:51pm @re_sieber @erictheise “the act of #lifelogging is the “invasion” visualizing it afterward is the marking of our “empire” #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:51pm also the hipster/yogi berra version, @re_sieber, ‘hey everybody seems to go here, so i won’t”. #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:51pm @spara moustache people as catagories!@!@!@! amazing! #geowebchat

@spara 12:52pm #geowebchat Some preliminary hexbinning of SXSW from Instagram data pic.twitter.com/Zcj7XF22TY

@re_sieber 12:54pm .@spara @AngharadStone “my lifelog is boring” sounds lk “I have nothing to hide.” Spurious correl can tell something ab you #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:55pm Final thoughts on any questions re #lifelogging inc Q4. What happens if your digital diary is damaged? #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:56pm @spara re: hexbinning SXSW – Nice. Assuming the darker orange bits are where the serious parties are. ;) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:57pm @re_sieber If #lifelogging site goes down in future will that be digital Alzheimers? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:59pm Future privacy implications of #lifelogging. Pervasive CCTVs could partially explain ASBO beh in UK. “What do I have to lose?” #geowebchat

@spara 12:59pm @funksoup #geowebchat Correct, that’s where the most photos were taken from midnight to 5:00 AM for the entire event

@geothinkca 1:00pm @re_sieber internettimemachine and never forget you were in better shape last year! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:00pm Thanks everyone for a fun hour on #lifelogging via #geowebchat. Be sure to create an entry ab this twitter event in your own lifelog. ;-)

@erictheise 1:01pm hmmm, we didn’t explicitly mention self-censorship in #lifelogging. skipping bad workouts and dubious checkins. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:01pm Feel free to continue the conversation on #lifelogging #geowebchat

@spara 1:01pm #geowebchat I highly recommend this episode of Black Mirror imdb.com/title/tt208905… when it comes to #lifelogging

@geothinkca 1:02pm thanks @re_sieber interesting chat! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:02pm Amazing episode! RT @spara: #geowebchat I highly recommend this episode of Black Mirror imdb.com/title/tt208905… when it comes to #lifelogging

@funksoup 1:02pm @re_sieber Thx for the #geowebchat! If we lifelog this #lifelogging event, will it create a rupture in the time-space continuum? #MetaMeta

@re_sieber 1:02pm @erictheise “self-censorship in #lifelogging” YES like strategic tracking apps like placeavoid #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:03pm Thanks @re_sieber for running a great #geowebchat! Next one will be in two weeks on March 4. Topic TBD.

@spara 1:04pm @mappingmashups This was also a great episode dealing with our digital detritus embodied imdb.com/title/tt229078… #geowebchat #lifelogging

@re_sieber 1:04pm & that’s why I prefer American #sf to UK RT @spara: #geowebchat I highly recommend this episode of Black Mirror imdb.com/title/tt208905…

@re_sieber 1:06pm @funksoup We can avoid rupture in the time-space continuum when lifelogging this #lifelogging event if we collect nec metadata #geowebchat

@funksoup 1:07pm @spara @mappingmashups re: digital detritus embodied -see also Eterni.me eterni.me #geowebchat #lifelogging

@spara 1:09pm @funksoup @mappingmashups The dream of apotheosis #geowebchat #lifelogging

@mpmckenna8 1:10pm Way cool @foursquare suggests users help edit @openstreetmap. Useful #lifelogging #geowebchat foursquare.com/about/osm

@Brobdingnag 2:26pm @re_sieber Yeah, I’m curious about what this means for safety. Lots of people here so it must be safe/notsafe #geowebchat

@re_sieber 2:37pm #lifelogging to visualize differences in air pollution city-to-city from @SenseableCity senseable.mit.edu/twolungs/ #geowebchat

@re_sieber 3:01pm Apple also wants entry into #lifelogging with its patents for sensors embedded in earbuds gizmodo.com/apples-fitness… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 19, 12:53pm Google to Glass users: stop being glassholes washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-swit… #geosurveillance #geowebchat Forgot being a jerk 1 reason 4 #lifelogging

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