#geowebchat transcript, 6 May 2014: the future of #geosocial networking

@mappingmashups May 06, 10:26am Today on #geowebchat: Foursquare, Swarm, & the future of #geosocial networking. theverge.com/2014/5/1/56660… Join us at 12pm PDT, 3pm EDT.

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:02pm Welcome everyone to today’s #geowebchat about geosocial networking. As always, include #geowebchat in your tweets to join the conversation.

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:03pm If you want to ignore #geowebchat, see if your twitter client can mute hashtags (or just wait us out. The chat will be done in an hour)

@erictheise May 06, 12:04pm greetings from #dukecity, aka #albuquerque. was hoping to check @swarmapp out before the chat, but not out yet! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:05pm A recent story that prompted this #geowebchat is @foursquare’s announcement of Swarm: a shift to passive geosocial. theverge.com/2014/5/1/56660…

@re_sieber May 06, 12:06pm Greetings from Montreal. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:06pm @erictheise Yes, @swarmapp isn’t launched yet, but luckily that’s never stopped us from speculating on #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:07pm I tweeted ab @foursquare’s decision to split its app. Everyone’s going after passive social but who’ll generate main content? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:08pm Another story relevant to 4sq/Swarm: thenextweb.com/socialmedia/20… Proprietary DBs of locations are big business. Turf wars loom. #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:09pm I also don’t get how useful the passive geosocial, which seems like it’s essentially reduced to lat/long & “sup?” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:10pm @re_sieber Because active geosocial is lat/long + data like “this is good” or “this is bad” or “this place is useful for X”? #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:11pm We can start by asking: What is valuable from passive geosocial? Compared to active, user review? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:12pm @re_sieber Well the volume of data is much greater. Plus, you get a more complete view of where people are. Less self-censoring. #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:12pm .@mappingmashups That’s my point. Active has more content than passive. #geowebchat @ some point, geospatial contributions must be deliber.

@re_sieber May 06, 12:14pm .@mappingmashups Q2: how do we prevent mission creep in passive geosocial, so it’s not #geosurveillance? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:14pm .@re_sieber It’s true that passive geosocial implicitly assumes #bigdata algorithms will be smart enough to make suggestions. #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:15pm Passive geosocial encourages mission creep to #geosurveillance. Passive geosocial is creepy. #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:17pm Q3: In a world of geosocial, how do we revive geo-serendipity? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:17pm @re_sieber Yes. But I guess the idea is that people are willing to sign up for #geosurveillance if the pay off is great enough? #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:18pm .@mappingmashups Count me as being scared of #bigdata, algorithms and “suggestions” of where I oughta go #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:19pm @re_sieber Is algorithmic serendipity an acceptable substitute? #geowebchat

@sarahmprz May 06, 12:19pm The creeping of passive geosocial is part of what makes it appealing! #geowebchat greetings from vancouver

@erictheise May 06, 12:19pm it’s hard to imagine a way to provide geo-serendipity to people whose overriding concern is geo-privacy. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:19pm .@re_sieber I haven’t really been pleased with any attempts at algorithmic serendipity yet, but don’t see why it’s not possible #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:20pm .@mappingmashups RT “ppl will sign up for #geosurveillance if payoff is great enough” #geowebchat We live in a world of hidden externalities

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:21pm I’ve never successfully had a serendipitous encounter w/ @erictheise at @Rainbow_Grocery despite @foursquare’s best efforts #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:22pm And the #bigdata algorithms of apps like @highlight or @banjo never seemed worth the distraction. #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:22pm .@mappingmashups re:”algorithmic serendipity an acceptable substitute?” As long as I can write the algorithms or throw in chaff #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:22pm RT @sarahmprz: serendipitous or not, more of the fun is after the meet-what you make of your connections with the geosocial #geowebchat

@erictheise May 06, 12:23pm true, @mappingmashups, @foursquare should work on vector-of-travel + probability-of-destination algorithms to generate alerts. #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:24pm .@sarahmprz @mappingmashups So geosocial becomes the spark. That’s fair, as long as geosocial doesn’t discriminate, redline #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:25pm And then there’s the apps to help you get lost, like Serendipitor… @everyseven was doing some of this for her MFA #geowebchat

@sarahmprz May 06, 12:25pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups descriminate, or become deterministic. how to encourage critical, renewable algorithms? #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:27pm Critical algorithms studies. @sarahmprz, I think you’ve created a new field #geowebchat @mappingmashups

@sarahmprz May 06, 12:27pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups public knowledge about coding and open access/wiki apps could be one way #geowebchat

@notoncebut2x May 06, 12:28pm what do people think about @movesapp anyone use it? is it even part of the geosocial? #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:29pm Re: vector-of-travel: geosocial is least good at geospatial, as in spatial analysis @erictheise @mappingmashups @foursquare #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:31pm @sarahmprz @mappingmashups More coding skills, yes. But we know the geosocial algorithms won’t be open; they’ll be patented #geowebchat

@sprky217 May 06, 12:33pm “Of shoes and ships and sealing wax. Of cabbages and kings.” Maybe Lewis Carroll accidentally wrote on power and sustainability #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:33pm .@notoncebut2x Yes, many of us use @movesapp. Not quite social, but w/ its acquisition the data will be mined for #geosocial #geowebchat

@erictheise May 06, 12:33pm seems greatest # of people travel in repeating patterns of identifiable clusters, @re_sieber; identify, predict, alert friends. #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:37pm .@erictheise Predictive geo patterns,clusters scares me. What happens when Im where Im not predicted to be? W unpredicted ppl? #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:38pm @notoncebut2x To me, @movesapp merges lifelogging and geosocial #geowebchat

@erictheise May 06, 12:40pm you are not a number you are a free man [sic]? @re_sieber What happens when Im where Im not predicted to be? W unpredicted ppl? #geowebchat

@notoncebut2x May 06, 12:41pm exactly @mappingmashups , @movesapp has potential to help with those serendipitous encounters people on #geowebchat have been “longing” 4

@re_sieber May 06, 12:42pm Q4: does geosocial create enough skin in the game, ie sufficient effort in meeting ppl? Or does it make it too easy? #geowebchat

@spara May 06, 12:42pm @re_sieber @notoncebut2x How do you use @movesapp for geosocial? #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:43pm .@erictheise Well, I’m not No.6, although maybe geosocial will keep me away from the Rovers #geowebchat

@notoncebut2x May 06, 12:44pm @spara @re_sieber facebook purchased them for one #geowebchat

@erictheise May 06, 12:44pm seriously, @re_sieber, if you share info, algorithm may learn & do better next time; if you don’t, you’ve kept yr little secret. #geowebchat

@spara May 06, 12:47pm There’s also OpenPaths openpaths.cc #geowebchat

@erictheise May 06, 12:47pm i do expect reasonably fine-grained control about shutting off prediction/alerting overall or setting levels per friend. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:48pm .@erictheise @re_sieber Now you’ve got me thinking what would the #geosocial equiv. of @getsecret look like? Or is that @Grindr? #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:50pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise @Grindr, esp its mobile version is exact opposite of @getsecret #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:52pm Perhaps we need a series of plugins to control for privacy (from acquaintenance, biz, gov) in geosocial #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:53pm .@re_sieber That gets at the problem that almost all social network sites miss (except G+) that indivs have multiple “faces” #geowebchat

@erictheise May 06, 12:54pm that was one of the things yahoo geo did with fire eagle back in the day, @re_sieber, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Eagle #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 12:58pm @erictheise @re_sieber So why is geosocial today still missing that aspect? Too hard to implement? Or biz model is against it? #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 12:59pm BTW, @chengdujin says that Chinese version of @foursquare, #jiepang, is collapsing #geowebchat

@erictheise May 06, 1:00pm would be interesting to get @mojodna’s perspective on that, @mappingmashups, i expect his is an informed opinion. #geowebchat

@re_sieber May 06, 1:00pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise Privacy controls run up against biz model of companies, gov knowing where you are all the time #geowebchat

@mappingmashups May 06, 1:02pm Well, we’ve hit the end of another #geowebchat. Thanks all for joining in. Next one is in two weeks: May 20.

@MGeomatic May 07, 12:44pm Mapping the galaxy of tweets of last #geowebchat the future of #geosocial networking bluenod.com/tag/geowebchat @bluenod pic.twitter.com/gsFkYKUAb0

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