#geowebchat transcript, 3 June 2014: Indoor mapping and navigation


@mappingmashups Jun 03, 10:35am Today’s #geowebchat: indoor mapping and navigation. Join us at 12pm PDT, 3pm EDT, 8pm BST. Spread the word!

@erictheise Jun 03, 11:22am i’ll participate. if i can find my way to the computer. MT @mappingmashups Today’s #geowebchat: indoor mapping and navigation. 12pm PDT

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:00pm Our #geowebchat about indoor maps & navigation is starting now! All are welcome to join in. Remember to include the hashtag in your tweets.

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:01pm If you want to ignore our biweekly #geowebchat, see if your twitter client can mute hashtags. To follow along, try: tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:03pm Here’s a recent story that got me thinking about indoor nav: bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/map… Using buildings’ magnetic fingerprints #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 03, 12:05pm anyone have a handle on the state of #OSM indoor mapping? wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Ma… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:05pm And of course there’s been a lot of work done on using WiFi for indoor positioning: directionsmag.com/articles/10-th… #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 03, 12:10pm i thought about doing some indoor tagging in #OSM for the vendors in our #FerryBuilding before today’s #geowebchat, but… confusing.

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:10pm Here’s an interesting proposal (from 2012) for an OpenIndoorMaps: blog.openstreetmap.org/2012/01/19/ope… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:11pm I wonder, does @OSMBuildings have any opinions on the standard tagging for features _inside_ buildings? #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Jun 03, 12:12pm @mappingmashups The scary thing abt indoor mapping is the potential for targeted ads when near products. Useful but invasive. #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 03, 12:12pm plus, there’s a strong pull to trace floor plan image , and then you hit the copyright concerns. some feign ignorance, no? #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Jun 03, 12:13pm @mappingmashups That should have read: maps useful, ads invasive #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:13pm @mikehyslop Good point. Although is it much worse than the potential of targeted ads when walking past shops on the street? #geowebchat

@mikehyslop Jun 03, 12:14pm @mappingmashups No, the annoyance would be the same. Maybe more pervasive – time will tell… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:15pm @erictheise Yeah, licensing for floor plans is certainly a concern. But in many cases building owners might want to share #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:16pm .@googlemaps lets you upload floor plans for display in Google Maps. Licensing is not immediately clear. google.com/maps/about/par… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:16pm RT @bgrassbluecrab: @mikehyslop i wonder the degree to which indoor maps useful for planning vs. capturing static indoor space #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 03, 12:16pm @mappingmashups @mikehyslop sticking w/my example of @SFFerryBuilding, if i’m there, i’m on food mission & open to deals & ads. #geowebchat

@MGeomatic Jun 03, 12:16pm .@mappingmashups @re_sieber We should now try an old school Bunge expedition vs. #OpenData expedition on the same county/city #geowebchat

@bgrassbluecrab Jun 03, 12:18pm @mappingmashups @erictheise wonder about the licensing for public spaces’s floorplan anyways, since they are out in the open #geowebchat

@MGeomatic Jun 03, 12:18pm .@mappingmashups @re_sieber like one team fieldwork only, no downloads, the other #OpenData only, to see how different the story #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:19pm But maybe surveying interior spaces is becoming easy enough without needing the official floor plans: gizmodo.com/just-tap-your-… #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 03, 12:21pm a long ago meetup w/@micello, concerns raised about posting, e.g., airport terminal maps, convention centers, @bgrassbluecrab #geowebchat

@bgrassbluecrab Jun 03, 12:21pm apps and fieldwork only get places public can go, magnetic/wifi methods might map out secure spaces (like bank vaults?) #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Jun 03, 12:22pm @mappingmashups My Company Is Starting To Some Cool Stuff With That and iBeacons gisiindoors.com cc @GISiIndoors #geowebchat

@MGeomatic Jun 03, 12:22pm .@mappingmashups @re_sieber like next #AAG Chicagoans presenting their fieldwork vs. the rest of the world relying on #OpenData. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:25pm @jonahadkins @GISiIndoors Interesting! I haven’t looked closely at iBeacon. Opens questions of interoperability indoors, too. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:26pm @bgrassbluecrab Yeah, mapping indoor spaces could reveal voids in buildings w/ secret and/or sensitive stuff. Hidden passages! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:28pm @MGeomatic What do you think the Bunge-like approach would be for indoor mapping? I wonder… #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 03, 12:28pm ha, just submitted a typo fix pull request to yarl/osmtools-indoor; who says it’s all conceptual in a #geowebchat

@MGeomatic Jun 03, 12:31pm .@mappingmashups sorry about that, I was thinking more to indoor mappers vs. navigating mappers… #geowebchat

@MGeomatic Jun 03, 12:33pm .@mappingmashups however, I guess that approach would be to map people & patterns indoor rather than 3D corridors & escalators #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:34pm @MGeomatic Don’t be sorry! #geowebchat topics can span multiple weeks and remix/intertwine!

@MGeomatic Jun 03, 12:40pm .@mappingmashups the fact is there’s something frustrating about uploaded indoor/laser 3D maps: they seem so sterile & sanitized #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:44pm @MGeomatic Indeed. Need to think of what indoor countermapping might look like. How to make indoor maps tell multiple stories? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:45pm I’m certainly discovering new twitter accounts to follow with this #geowebchat: @indoorLBS, @GISiIndoors…

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:48pm I almost forgot this fascinating viz tracking movements w/in a conference by following wifi MAC addresses apps.opendatacity.de/relog/ #geowebchat

@bgrassbluecrab Jun 03, 12:51pm .@mappingmashups @MGeomatic @SFFerryBuilding would make another good example: as transit hub, shopping area, or clean bathrooms #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:53pm @bgrassbluecrab @MGeomatic Yes! And @SFFerryBuilding is a place w/ multiple publics using it, workers, travelers, customers, etc #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 12:54pm (I’ll take the silence in this part of #geowebchat to mean that everyone is busily adding indoor features to @openstreetmap as we speak)

@bgrassbluecrab Jun 03, 12:55pm .@mappingmashups @openstreetmap to be honest, I’ve never indoor mapped. I usu. get where I’m going and put the phone away #geowebchat

@bgrassbluecrab Jun 03, 12:58pm @mappingmashups @MGeomatic I actually want to do @SFFerryBuilding as a test case. Wonder what it would entail #geowebchat

@erictheise Jun 03, 12:58pm if i get around to indoor mapping @SFFerryBuilding i’ll write it up. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 1:01pm @erictheise Sounds great. Or we do a @SFFerryBuilding mapping party sometime #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 1:02pm So, next #geowebchat is in two weeks, on Tuesday June 17, at the same time. Let me know if you have any topics you’d like us to discuss!

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 1:02pm Maybe we’ll have some indoor mapping on #openstreetmap to show off at the next #geowebchat?

@erictheise Jun 03, 1:03pm what would be the point, @mappingmashups, you won’t eat the main attraction @hogislandoyster? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 1:04pm @erictheise I thought the point of @SFFerryBuilding was to visit three different ice cream shops and four cheese places at once! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 1:04pm @erictheise @SFFerryBuilding (I sense an edit war brewing) #geowebchat

@bgrassbluecrab Jun 03, 1:05pm @mappingmashups @erictheise I’d be game for an @SFFerryBuilding mapping party. I’m usually there for the boats #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jun 03, 1:06pm As always the transcript of today’s #geowebchat will be posted here shortly: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ Thanks to all who joined!

@erictheise Jun 03, 1:06pm i’m all about the #geobivalves @hogislandoyster, @mappingmashups, but we can agree to disagree. #geowebchat

@MGeomatic Jun 03, 2:12pm .@mappingmashups @bgrassbluecrab on airports, they’re these stimulating insights monde-diplomatique.fr/cartes/dutyfree #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/5ol0SAVt0k

@OSMBuildings Jun 03, 2:36pm @mappingmashups Impossible for me to cover indoor at the moment :-( #geowebchat

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