#geowebchat transcript, 2 September 2014: Hand-drawn maps


@danielledai Sep 02, 9:33am Hand-drawn maps #geowebchat w/@mappingmashups today, 12 PST. github.com/ddai/hand-draw… yay! #maps #cartography #drawing

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 11:17am Starting at noon today PDT: #geowebchat about hand-drawn #cartography in the digital age, with @danielledai! Join us in just a few minutes!

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:01pm Welcome everyone to today’s #geowebchat about hand-drawn cartography. Thanks @danielledai for helping lead the discussion today!

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:02pm Today’s #geowebchat is a spin-off from a recent @MaptimeSF meetup we had about hand-drawn maps. Did anyone joining us today also go to that?

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:03pm Thanks @mappingmashups! We hosted a @MaptimeSF on hand-drawn maps recently, resources/inspiration here: github.com/ddai/hand-draw… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:04pm As with any #geowebchat, make sure you include the hashtag in all your tweets so everyone can follow along.

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:06pm Question raised: what is the role of hand-drawn maps in the digital age? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:06pm So, who attending our #geowebchat today has made any hand-drawn maps lately? For fun or for work (or anything else)?

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:09pm .@danielledai Do we think there’s been a resurgence in interest in hand-drawn maps because digital maps are so ubiquitous? #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:10pm i used to always start my class at @SFCB by having people draw a map of how they got there that day, then to share w/neighbor. #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:11pm by doing that, people became aware of inherent choices in mapmaking, what to exclude, scale, labeling, success in communication #geowebchat

@bdon Sep 02, 12:12pm @danielledai @mappingmashups #geowebchat see LineDrive by @magrawala ; hand-drawn generalizations for wayfinding graphics.stanford.edu/papers/routema…

@jonahadkins Sep 02, 12:12pm @mappingmashups Hand drawn exercise to help kids understand “layers”, without ever saying “layers” #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/8HTIchHfbf

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:12pm .@erictheise That’s also an exercise in mental mapping. Is there an inherent overlap between mental maps and hand-drawn maps? #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:14pm .@bdon @mappingmashups @magrawala Neat! This reminds me of @conveyal’s transitive.js work for line maps conveyal.com/blog/2014/04/2… #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:14pm .@mappingmashups @danielledai Yes, exactly! To note: 1/3rd of maps in the upcoming @NACIS_Atlas include hand-drawn elements #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:16pm @MapHugger Neat! Do you have examples online of these maps @NACIS_Atlas? @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:18pm .@jonahadkins your example (& @erictheise’s) suggests that hand-making maps is a way to teach concretely about how maps are made #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:19pm .@jonahadkins @erictheise …so, construction of maps as a parallel to deconstructing maps. #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:19pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise Mental maps feel better hand-drawn vs digital. Makes the subjective nature of the map obvious #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:20pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise Mental maps as a first version of hand-drawn maps? Check this out: nytimes.com/2012/02/05/opi… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:20pm .@MapHugger @erictheise But it makes me wonder, is it just that digital maps are (still) so bad at rendering the subjective? #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:21pm @danielledai We haven’t revealed the full lineup, but there’s a peek at the table of contents here: atlasofdesign.org/purchase/ #geowebchat

@golandmark Sep 02, 12:21pm Hand-drawn maps when giving directions is much easier than explaining it only using words and road names #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:23pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise Digital can render subjectivity. But the soft/minimalist look most digital maps have don’t cut it #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:24pm digital maps can certainly render some subjectivities, but i think it’s expressiveness, & speed at expressiveness, they lack. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:26pm @MapHugger @erictheise That brings up another thing I’d like to talk about: digital maps that try to mirror hand-drawn styles #geowebchat

@geothinkca Sep 02, 12:26pm .@MapHugger @mappingmashups @erictheise Digital maps require some expertise/training/tools -inherently biasing the sample #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:27pm @mappingmashups @MapHugger @erictheise Yes. @stamen’s watercolor tiles & @Mapbox’s pencil tiles are quite delightful #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 02, 12:30pm @mappingmashups Because the only thing cooling than hand-drawing a map is pretending you did. flickr.com/photos/vtcragh… #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:30pm @mappingmashups I like ‘em. The digital-but-looks-traditional trend is also big in illustration and graphic design too. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:30pm .@danielledai Yeah, and I’m also thinking of projectlinework.org, or @mapmeld’s recent Vincent van Gogh style map #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:30pm Do digital maps with this styling replace hand-drawn maps? Are hand-drawn maps viewed more as art? #geowebchat @mappingmashups @erictheise

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:32pm .@danielledai And why do we all love these digitally-generated “hand-drawn” maps? Are they ever better than the real thing? #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 02, 12:33pm .@danielledai Lending credence to the idea of it as art, I always have trouble using stamen-watercolor with data. #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:33pm i think hand drawn maps are considered art or fetish items, @danielledai. technically, woodcut, engraved, litho, all not unique. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:34pm Here’s @mapmeld’s van Gogh map: mapmeld.github.io/van-gogh-map/#… made with @Mapbox GL #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:34pm in that way, digital is very much a logical next step in mass production, @danielledai, after classic printing techniques. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:35pm .@vtcraghead @danielledai Interestingly, lots of other people don’t have problems using Watercolor with data. It’s surprising! #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:36pm and though we admire 19th cent engraved coast & geodetic maps and earlier woodcuts, @danielledai, they were about distribution. #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 02, 12:36pm @mappingmashups @danielledai I’d love to see examples of it meshing. The effort hurdle is in matching the level of stylization. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:36pm @vtcraghead @danielledai Although @Elijah_Meeks claims that Watercolor gives his map data viz “humanities street cred” :) #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:37pm @mappingmashups @danielledai They’re often easier to make/publish than an actual hand-drawn map, if nothing else. #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:38pm @mappingmashups @mapmeld @Mapbox Wow, neat! How about pointalism following Seurat… or ABSTRACT? I wonder how that’d look. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:38pm @erictheise @danielledai Well, I suppose that physical maps (whether hand-drawn or mass-produced) are all becoming fetish items #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:39pm RT @mapmeld: @danielledai also check out an older experiment in this handdrawn map mimic space crayonmap.herokuapp.com #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:40pm @erictheise we’re having that discussion @sfmta_muni – making print maps v better digital ones for production/consumption #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:42pm Another pt: hand-drawn maps are considered art, but not everybody considers themselves an artist @mappingmashups @erictheise #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 02, 12:42pm .@mappingmashups #geowebchat Even w/ compositing there’s so much eye-catch & contrast in the watercolor: pic.twitter.com/8ZUygCEl2t

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:44pm @mappingmashups @erictheise I encouraged tracing @MaptimeSF. Stylized hand-drawn digital maps, tracing, helps overcome barrier? #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:46pm Slight #geowebchat tangent: This @xkcdComic on map projections is awesome: xkcd.com/977/

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:47pm barrier of not self-identifying as artist @danielledai? seems most handmade maps, if not Art, serve particular, practical ends. #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:48pm MT @golandmark I enjoyed hand-drawn tourist maps while I traveled behance.net/gallery/139000… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:49pm @danielledai @xkcdComic Yeah, arguably @xkcd is the world’s most famous hand-drawn cartographer #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:51pm RT @colemanm: @jonahadkins @mappingmashups That’s fantastic – love the interstate highway shields! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:54pm @danielledai @erictheise @MaptimeSF …and I suppose @xkcd is also the most famous hand-drawn map tracer, too. #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:55pm i wonder how different it is, the “but i can’t draw!” reaction to a) draw my portrait & b) draw me a map of how to get to store. #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:56pm @erictheise Yes, fair. I’ve also been thinking about this creative confidence business in making maps creativeconfidence.com #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:56pm @mappingmashups @danielledai Randall manages to make maps loose/sketchy but also data-driven/trustworthy what-if.xkcd.com/53/ #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Sep 02, 12:57pm .@mappingmashups My fave hand drawn map – @cassieramone “Mew Mexico” flickr.com/photos/cassier… – I also have the shirt :) #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:59pm it might be nice to do a part 2, where people show/critique examples of hand drawn maps important to them, @jonahadkins. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:59pm @erictheise The practical ends are the diff in your “but I can’t draw” tweet, Eric. Giving directions vs general purpose map. #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 1:00pm aboriginal dreamtime maps are hard to get my western head around, & i also like shaker maps, as examples. #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Sep 02, 1:01pm @erictheise In! #geowebchat cc @mappingmashups

@erictheise Sep 02, 1:01pm exactly, @mappingmashups, that’s why i question whether there’s as much of a barrier. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 1:01pm Thanks @danielledai and everyone else who joined today’s #geowebchat! We’ve reached the end of our hour. Next chat is same time, Sep 16.

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 1:03pm .@jonahadkins @erictheise I like that idea, too. What about September 16 as hand-drawn-maps part 2: show & tell & critique? #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 1:05pm sounds good to me, i’ll drag out my old @SFCB notes, @mappingmashups @jonahadkins #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 1:07pm Thanks @mappingmashups for my 1st #geowebchat. Excited to look in depth at today’s links. Def in for part 2 @erictheise @jonahadkins

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 2:19pm RT @magrawala: Looks cool! transitive.js conveyal.com/blog/2014/04/2… More hand-drawn maps vis.berkeley.edu/papers/dmaps/ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 2:20pm RT @jonahadkins: Bookmarking: comiccartography.tumblr.com , flickr.com/photos/cassier… , & Scans From :’The Map As Art’ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 2:20pm RT @Elijah_Meeks: The visual aesthetic of trad. base maps can be an implicit claim to precision of overlaid data. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 2:20pm RT @mxfh: @visionscarto says in certain cases the fuzziness of the data favors a hand drawn style mapdesign.icaci.org/2014/08/mapcar… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 3:10pm RT @visionscarto: Actually my maps are not digitally-generated but really hand drawn Only text and background digitaly-assembled #geowebchat

@visionscarto Sep 02, 3:13pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat There is more of these on visionscarto.net freely accessible in HD so that you can have a close look

@mappingmashups Sep 03, 7:17am RT @vtcraghead: @jonahadkins I stand corrected; watercolor can work with “suggestive data” just fine: pic.twitter.com/MJyFRbU2Ej #geowebchat

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