#geowebchat transcript, 2 December 2014: Maps and countermaps of colonization and settlement

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 6:04am Today’s #geowebchat: Maps (& counter-maps) of colonization & settlement. A post-Thanksgiving special. Join us 12pm PST, 3pm EST, 20:00 UTC

@erictheise Dec 02, 11:29am jit for #geowebchat (h/t @undertheraedar) MT @guardiancities architects of apartheid: maps as tools of control gu.com/p/43a8a/stw

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 11:59am Welcome to today’s #geowebchat. Our topic (following last week’s US Thanksgiving holiday) is maps & countermaps of colonization & settlement

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:02pm If you want to follow along with #geowebchat, I suggest trying a tool like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat and include the hashtag in your tweets.

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:02pm If you would rather ignore our hour-long #geowebchat, see if you twitter client has the ability to mute hashtags.

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:04pm @erictheise posted a good #geowebchat link a few minutes ago: theguardian.com/cities/2014/de… …on maps used during apartheid

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:07pm For today’s #geowebchat I’m also curious about maps made to counter colonization or tell another story, like this: bigthink.com/strange-maps/a…

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:08pm #geowebchat we face an issue, a map we coproduced with the Tlingit (try.geolive.ca) has been counter-claimed by an unknown!

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:09pm #geowebchat so a tool designed for counter colonization has in turn been counter claimed!

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:09pm #geowebchat sry that was trt.geolive.ca – autocorrect on twitter?!?!?

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:11pm @joncorbett Fascinating! A problem that may be new to the geoweb! With pre-geoweb maps you generally knew who was making them. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:13pm @joncorbett Do you have examples of what the unknown mapper tried to add? #geowebchat?

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:14pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat absolutely, this counter claim is related to the agency of production. They claim to have made the map…

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:17pm @joncorbett Oh, interesting. Having or claiming a map of something is valuable in itself. A colonization of representation. #geowebchat

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:17pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat happened this morning – claim was made through a blog post, don’t know info added to uhe map looking into this!

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:19pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat counter-counter mapping – very Pythonesque…

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:20pm @joncorbett And it’s not related to the hijacking of @SaveWiyabi? hyperallergic.com/139769/native-… #geowebchat

@mattdance Dec 02, 12:20pm @mappingmashups I love the Inuit Heritage Trust place name project of Nunavut: ihti.ca/eng/place-name…


@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:22pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat interesting example… Hadn’t seen that.

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:24pm @mattdance Very interesting that you have to click through an agreement to see the maps. Emphasizes the sensitivity of mapping. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:26pm @mattdance But I thought it was this inuit map you were referring to: paninuittrails.org Different, but beautiful #geowebchat

@tolomaps Dec 02, 12:27pm @mappingmashups Have you seen Margaret Pearce’s map, “They Would Not Take Me There”? umaine.edu/canam/publicat… #geowebchat

@mattdance Dec 02, 12:28pm @mappingmashups We’re in the preliminary stages for a similar AB based project. I’m learning that trust and credibility are key. #geowebchat

@tolomaps Dec 02, 12:28pm @mappingmashups “these maps are silent with regard to the Indigenous geographies through which Champlain moved” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:30pm .@tolomaps Yes, I recently bought one for @stamen! I love how that map handles language and narrative. instagram.com/p/uQ54Nnqqhz/ #geowebchat

@undertheraedar Dec 02, 12:33pm @erictheise relevant to #geowebchat @andywightman (author of The Poor Had no Lawyers) and his ‘Who owns Scotland’ map whoownsscotland.org.uk/geo/index.htm#…

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:36pm @tolomaps The challenge with anti-colonial maps is that all our mapping tools include assumptions about what is mappable and how #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:37pm @tolomaps Still don’t have good ways to map uncertainty, fluid boundaries…. Western perspective in maps requires solid lines. #geowebchat

@erictheise Dec 02, 12:40pm irony re: that map, @undertheraedar, is that the question seems to be “who owns scotland’s data?”! #paywall /cc @andywightman #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:41pm Mapping pre-contact Americas you get odd maps like this: npr.org/blogs/codeswit… or guesses at boundaries that never match #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 Dec 02, 12:43pm Russia using maps to stake their claim to Crimea applicable to this #geowebchat? stevecoast.com/2014/03/02/ukr… geographictravels.com/2014/03/yandex…

@mhaklay Dec 02, 12:46pm Can’t stay for long, but a q framing: isn’t the terminology of ‘counter’ marginalize the mappers before even getting started? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:47pm @mpmckenna8 I hadn’t seen that @SteveC post: maps can present land as more/less colonizable (Crimea as peninsula or as island) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:50pm @mhaklay Good point. Depends on audience. But I wonder if the marginalized would already mistrust “maps” w/out the “counter-”? #geowebchat

@mhaklay Dec 02, 12:51pm @mappingmashups also good point – ondeed, I’ve just heard that the word research can be mistrusted #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:51pm MT @Elijah_Meeks: Mercator as imperial master–reminds me of Hawk Puma’s map territories.indigenousknowledge.org/exhibit-2/3. pic.twitter.com/Cn0wxDeDhk #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 02, 12:56pm Possibly of relevance to #geowebchat Can Hi-Tech mapping technology protect traditional land? environment.yale.edu/blog/2014/12/c…

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:57pm For a fascinating history of an indigenous map used during a land claims trial, read “A Map that Roared” faculty.washington.edu/sparke/A%20Map… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 1:00pm We’ve reached the end of our hour on #geowebchat. Thanks everyone for joining & listening! Transcript here soon: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 1:02pm Next #geowebchat will be Dec 16, our last of the year. Send me your votes for the #TopGeoStoryof2014 and we’ll do a countdown.

@re_sieber Dec 02, 1:03pm For those interested in legal implications vv use of indigenous mapping, geoweb, see @TenilleEBrown’s PhD research #geowebchat

@C_Schreyer Dec 02, 1:33pm Look up #geowebchat for info about decolonization & mapping, including @joncorbett comments on trt.geolive.ca map, recently co-opted

@tolomaps Dec 02, 2:54pm @mappingmashups so true, mapping uncertainty is certainly a cartographic conundrum. sorry i left the #geowebchat, had a meeting!

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