@GeoCensos Oct 30, 6:10pm After #ogpmapping at #ogp15 we ask : What can govs learn from #openmappping ?. Join us next 3/11 11am EST in #geowebchat #opengovdata”

@mappingmashups Nov 02, 5:25pm Tmrw on #geowebchat, we wake up early on the west coast for a special time 8am PST. Topic is #opengovdata w/ guest host @GeoCensos. Join us!

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 6:02am Welcome all #openmapping communities 2 discuss about #govopengeodata in a #geowebchat hosted by @GeoCensos, tks to @geothinkca initiative

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 6:03am Welcome also #opengovpart stakeholders 2 discuss about #govopengeodata in a #geowebchat hosted by @GeoCensos, tks to @geothinkca initiative

@geothinkca Nov 03, 6:14am RT @re_sieber: What govs can learn from #openmappping?#geowebchat 11am EST Nov 3 medium.com/@mikelmaron/op…

@re_sieber Nov 03, 7:19am Economic Impact of Open Data: What Do We Already Know? From @JeniT @ ODI huffingtonpost.co.uk/jeni-tennison/… #geowebchat @geothinkca @peterajohnson

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 7:51am Welcom all parties and communities to discuss about #govopengeodata in a #geowebchat hosted by @GeoCensos, thanks to @geothinkca initiative

@re_sieber Nov 03, 7:59am Welcome everyone to #opendata for government & #openmapping @ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 03, 8:00am Hello to everyone joining today’s special-time #geowebchat! Welcome to #ogp15 attendees! More info about the chat: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:01am Goal of this #geowebchat: trigger dialogue answering 4 provoking statements in a scale: 1. Agree + 2. Agree – 3. Not agree + 4. Not agree -

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:01am Or #opendata for gov is viewed as use cases, best practices #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 03, 8:01am If you want to join the conversation, be sure to use the hashtag #geowebchat in all your tweets. Follow along here: tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:03am #geowebchat will be enriched justifying previously scaled answers, ie “3. NOT AGREE to statement because governments don’t know about maps”

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:03am #openmapping for gov is also a managerial issue. How do you integrate #opendata in SOP of gov? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:03am We should probably begin by defining ‘open’ in #opendata, #openmapping for go #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:04am @re_sieber Its a matter of openess of institutions, of course , and gov need to apropiate #datarevolution #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:06am .@GeoCensos Never thought of ‘open’ as openness of institutions to VGI. Usually think of open as OKFN definition #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:06am @re_sieber openess in #geodata is about simple accessibility to data, its replicability and reuse for anyone or ANY purposes #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:07am .@peterajohnson has done research on openness of gov to accept citizen-generated data like OSM #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:08am #geowebchat STATEmnt 1 #openmapping will never work for govs as all stat nat offices own all mayor #geodata in countries and don`t share.

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:08am #geowebchat will enrich if justifying previously scaled answers, ie “3. NOT AGREE to statement because governments don’t know about maps”

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:09am .@GeoCensos Depends on scale, as ownership varies by level of gov. US fed data governed by strong FOIA, cult of openbydefault #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:09am Intrigued by the possibility of #OSM adoption I asked 8 Canadian muni govs what they thought – most had never heard of #OSM #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:10am @re_sieber @peterajohnson can u please provide any links about that? I`d be fruitful if some of #geowebchat can enrich that research I guess

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:11am .@ international level, we have instance of UN, other agencies using OSM for humanitarian relief #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:11am @peterajohnson Sure there is a #evangelization gap between gov natnl or local on #openmapping that the real #datarevolution #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:11am Some govs are open to direct citizen contributions to fix data errors. Not sure if direct edits would fit. #geowebchat

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:12am @GeoCensos In my mind, economic value is directly proportional to degree of openness, but no data to back it up. no -BY, etc. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:12am Are we working w a common definition of #openmapping? Is it = non-expert crowdsourced geographic content? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:13am Does gov position as provider for emergency services routing, legal land titles, impact possibility of open map adoption? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:13am @re_sieber I’m assuming we are talking about #osm ? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:14am @mapanauta @GeoCensos @lxbarth Not sure we have the extra characters to use both #geowebchat & #opengeotalk

@charlielapin Nov 03, 8:14am .@re_sieber Why non-expert? The qualifier seems unnecessary considering the implications of openness. #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:14am .@GeoCensos #geowebchat don’t agree, of course, since we are already seeing many examples to the contrary

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:14am @re_sieber Signaling could work for openess in institutions, its time to think about a good std 4certifiable openess 4 govs #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:16am .@GeoCensos #geowebchat but open mapping definition can include OSM and other thematic data, some of which can be more ‘proprietary’

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:16am .@charlielapin We usually-not always-insert non-expert into discussion of VGI to distinguish it from credentialled contributions #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:18am .@bensonwilder would lk to broaden discussion beyond OSM. Examples of proprietary sources? Is #openmapping ab data or map? #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:19am .@peterajohnson #geowebchat It can, in good ways – see modernisation.gouv.fr/salle-de-press…

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:20am @re_sieber #openmapping has no common definition as it is an evolving discipline, its still a challenging task #geowebchat

@lxbarth Nov 03, 8:20am @re_sieber @bensonwilder see also openaddresses.io #geowebchat

@lxbarth Nov 03, 8:20am @re_sieber @bensonwilder open mapping = open data + open collaboration #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:21am #geowebchat STATEmnt 2 #opengovs are really trying hard #opengeodata actions, but they WILL NEVER include #openmapping in their workflows

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:21am @bensonwilder Nice example – this is a good start. Still unsure about prop bound, but turns/curbs for emerg serv maybe? #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:22am .@re_sieber #geowebchat varies according to context and local/natl authority. but admin boundaries at lower levels for one.

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:22am #geowebchat discussion can work justifying scaled answers to below, ie “3. NOT AGREE to statement because bla bla bla…”

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:22am @lxbarth @re_sieber #geowebchat yes that’s a better link!

@vtcraghead Nov 03, 8:23am @lxbarth @re_sieber @bensonwilder <canofworms>Google Map Maker</canofworms> #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:23am @lxbarth @re_sieber #geowebchat maps are always about the data imho.

@lxbarth Nov 03, 8:23am @vtcraghead @re_sieber @bensonwilder google map maker does not create open data #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:23am @vtcraghead @lxbarth @re_sieber @bensonwilder clearly not open! #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:24am .@bensonwilder @lxbarth I still some #opendata portals in Canada, where gov thinks OD is ab mapping/viz data #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:25am @GeoCensos but…I am sure there are many that already do some comparison between #osm and own data #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:26am .@bensonwilder @lxbarth Also issue of how close to raw data should be #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:26am @peterajohnson #geowebchat maybe its true, but this does not assure govs will adopt the #openess of #geodata … have u got case studies?

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:28am .@peterajohnson @GeoCensos #geowebchat compare, use, incorporate, fill in gaps…

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:29am @GeoCensos working on those case studies…. #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:29am #geowebchat STATEmnt 3 @aliciabarcena from @eclac_un said Nat stats orgs MUST be opened to civil society . Explain your position, please.

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:30am (whoa, seeing lots of grammatical errors in my own #geowebchat). This is not like a bicycle-must continue to practice twitterchats!)

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:32am @re_sieber Never mind, I guess latinos like @javiercarranza3 have a lot to learn from you, not smth to be too proud of, but…#geowebchat

@vtcraghead Nov 03, 8:32am @lxbarth @re_sieber @bensonwilder e.g. satsentinel.org/blog/lets-buil… #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:33am .@re_sieber @lxbarth well to be fair that still allows for engagement with the data. positive step on a spectrum in my book.#geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:33am What about statement3? No politically correct answers, please! @aliciabarcena said Nat stat orgs MUST be opened to civil society #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:33am In #openmapping, are we agnostic as to source? Don’t care if citizen-, gov- or priv sector generated? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:36am If we’re agnostic ab source of data (citizen, priv sector,gov) then can we still ask for raw data Can we have opencollab w/o it? #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:38am #geowebchat STATEmnt5 @mikel said @ goo.gl/jrx5tU that #openmapping is “equally accessible, not silo’d by border or organization”

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:38am .@bensonwilder @lxbarth How is opencollab diff from a consulting contract to map? #geowebchat

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:38am @bensonwilder I am pretty sure that the proprietary vendors are doing it, why not gov! #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Nov 03, 8:39am @peterajohnson @lxbarth @re_sieber @bensonwilder Well it’s complicated, not least by license: services.google.com/fb/forms/mapma… #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:40am @re_sieber @bensonwilder @lxbarth 4 us, #opencollab does not diff from a consulting contract to map but in #geoopendata #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:40am .@GeoCensos @aliciabarcena Agreed. Data from Nat stats orgs must open data to civil society (protecting privacy, OFC) #geowebchat

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:41am @bensonwilder @re_sieber @lxbarth Maybe there is an opportunity to provide tools/apis that gov can use to monitor data changes? #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:41am @re_sieber @aliciabarcena thats a dimension that should be embeded in #opendata definitions : institutional policies #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:42am .@mikel argues, in #openmapping, ‘Sources & methodologies are fully transparent’. Just say no to patents #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:45am Time to wrap up #geowebchat : Have 3 – 4 concluding remarks to make sure we all understood our #geowebchat findings or takeaways Maybe not

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:45am #geowebchat Conclusion 1 Governments need to walk the talk 4 #openmapping and #mappingrevolution as many don`t even know the talk

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:46am #geowebchat Conclusion 2 You can convince governments to include some #opengeodata in their plans, but the walk needs a long talk yet

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:46am Don’t see opening in medium.com/@mikelmaron/op… for licenses ever. Thorny subj #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:46am #geowebchat Conclusion 3 Google Map maker is clearly not open and does not fit in the evolving definition of @openmapping

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:46am @GeoCensos Next steps or place for further discussion? #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:46am #geowebchat Conclusion 4 Have some #opendata portals in Canada, where gov thinks OD is a mapping/viz data #geowebchat

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:48am @GeoCensos How do we get together to focus those talks? (my interest is US state and local gov data) #geowebchat

@jedmiller Nov 03, 8:48am @re_sieber But #DataRevolution work must tell Nat Stats orgs to /engage/ CSOs, not just “open” data @GeoCensos @aliciabarcena #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:49am .@GeoCensos #geowebchat we are going to see as much #openmappingevolution as we do #openmappingrevolution. more of the latter at local scale

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:49am .@GeoCensos @openmapping Conclusion 3:We need consensus on meaning of open. Otherwise, concept can be co-opted by gov, priv sect #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:50am @davidfawcett 1. we are going to put together a paper and share 2 put a statement 4 @StatsCanada next NSO conference in #Quito #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:51am #geowebchat @jedmiller @re_sieber @GeoCensos @aliciabarcena incentives may lie in co-creation of (often new) data

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:51am .@jedmiller No to #Opendata as throwing data over the wall sciencedirect.com/science/articl… #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:51am #geowebchat conclusion 5:We need consensus on meaning of open. Otherwise, concept can be co-opted by gov, priv sect

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:53am Thanks to everyone who joined today’s #geowebchat! Lets keep working on to map together with #opengovs a better world!

@jedmiller Nov 03, 8:54am Good idea. A “create-a-palooza” for #opendata, w/2-way incentives. Instead of “We make. You use.” #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:54am Conclusion 5.5 #openmapping > crowdsourced mapping #geowebchat #FOSS

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:56am Thanks everyone for participating in today’s #geowebchat on #openmapping, #opencollaboration

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:57am Sorry, but @javiercarranza3 needs to catch a plane from Mexico – Bogota. Please keep the dialogue open and geo. Hasta la vista! #geowebchat

@jedmiller Nov 03, 8:58am .@re_sieber Yes. No #opendata “over the wall.” Need govt listening to what can makes #opendata usable. tech.transparency-initiative.org/treat-all-data… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 03, 9:01am Thanks @GeoCensos for running today’s #geowebchat! I’ll post the transcript on mappingmashups.net shortly!

@jedmiller Nov 03, 9:03am Rich soil, vast expanses in twitter #GeoWebChat on #geomapping, #opendata and what can govts learn. @re_sieber @mikel

@mappingmashups Nov 03, 9:03am Next #geowebchat is in one month, on Dec 1st, at 12 noon PST. Topic will be the #topgeostoryof2015. Start sending me your votes!

@mikel Nov 03, 11:03am great #geowebchat today, sorry to miss twitter.com/hashtag/geoweb… #openmapping is about collaboration, great example medium.com/backchannel/op…

@GeoCensos Nov 04, 3:02pm Our last #geowebchat boarded relevance and potential of #mappingrevolution for governments, preview transcript at ln.is/tweetchat.com/…

@mappingmashups Oct 02, 10:18am Next #geowebchat we’ll discuss “armchair mapping”. What are the challenges in remote mapping for @openstreetmap? Tue Oct 6 12pm PDT. Pls RT!

@geoawesomeness Oct 02, 10:23am This #geowebchat seems really interesting! RSVP #GeoGeeks! Via @mappingmashups #geoawesomeness

@osmcbba Oct 03, 1:07pm Sigue el próximo #geowebchat: “mapeo de sillón” o “mapeo remoto”. Únete Mar 6 Oct 12h UTC-7. wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_… via @mappingmashups

@mappingmashups Oct 05, 10:53am A fascinating (& long) email thread about remote mapping: lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk… relevant to our upcoming #geowebchat (Tue Oct 6, 12pm PDT)

@mappingmashups Oct 05, 10:57am RE remote mapping by @ricaji groundtruth.in/2015/06/05/osm… @gwilymeades place-memes.blogspot.de/2015/05/the-hu… @jbjensson joi.betra.is/?p=1769 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 7:07am Today (Tue Oct 6) on #geowebchat we debate “armchair mapping” wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_… What is it, & how do we do it well? Join us: noon PDT!

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:02pm Welcome everyone to today’s #geowebchat about remote mapping aka “armchair mapping” wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_…

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:03pm As with every #geowebchat, make sure you use the hashtag in your tweets if you want to join the conversation. Or mute the hashtag to ignore.

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:05pm I recommend using a tool like @TweetChat to tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along with #geowebchat. Easier to track the conversation

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:05pm Two months ago on #geowebchat we discussed “outdoor mapping” mappingmashups.net/2015/08/04/geo… and many people asked, isn’t all mapping done outdoors?

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:07pm But especially in @openstreetmap, there is a lot of mapping you can do by tracing satellite imagery: hence “armchair mapping” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:08pm I’d like to hear from those of you joining #geowebchat: who has done any remote mapping yourselves, for @TheMissingMaps or @hotosm perhaps?

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:10pm For #geowebchat on remote mapping, some provocative arguments challenging the idea: groundtruth.in/2015/06/05/osm… and place-memes.blogspot.de/2015/05/the-hu…

@AngharadStone Oct 06, 12:13pm @mappingmashups besides armchair mapping – are we also considering modelling mapping? Ie landslide or flood risk areas? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:14pm @AngharadStone Interesting Q. Is there a way someone would do the modeling differently if they were on the scene vs remote? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:16pm @AngharadStone armchair mapping is controversial for 2 reasons: 1) that remote ppl don’t know the situation on the ground… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:16pm @AngharadStone …and 2) that remote mappers would displace or discourage local people from doing the mapping themselves #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:19pm @GeoCensos interesting article! Do you think that using local social media feeds is a way to get locals involved in mapping? #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Oct 06, 12:19pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat Do you have any evidence of remote mappers discouraging ground surveying?

@mapperz Oct 06, 12:20pm @AngharadStone @mappingmashups Flood Risk Mapping Polygons wrapped up with #geoserver #openlayers #geowebchat …od-warning-information.service.gov.uk/map #map

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:23pm It’s not necessarily a case of remote mappers discouraging. It’s more a case of too little support going to local mappers. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:23pm @AngharadStone In the #OSM email thread there are many theories, but little evidence either way. lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:24pm Regarding #geowebchat, it looks like there’s a #missingmaps #mapathon happening in London as we speak! @inderpaldsingh @ukpwhite

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:26pm In some places can be tricky to create local ownership of the map as well and build local volunteer community.
#geowebchat

@AngharadStone Oct 06, 12:26pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat Ok back to the main topic – do people consider the possible issues tracing aerial imagery? Eg tree cover

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:28pm @ricaji Maybe “discouraging” is the wrong word. It’s that remote mappers pre-empt a local map that would’ve evolved differently #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:29pm @AngharadStone Certainly that’s an issue. And in OSM there is also the frequent problem of misaligned or out-of-date imagery. #geowebchat

@TheMissingMaps Oct 06, 12:30pm @mappingmashups @inderpaldsingh @ukpwhite hi guys, remote mapping two areas of Congo tonight…. Big wave to #geowebchat gang!

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:30pm @AngharadStone Those are problems that even someone mapping a nearby town would face if they’re not skilled w/ aerial imagery #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:31pm @TheMissingMaps Which @hotosm tasks are you doing, out of curiosity? #geowebchat

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:32pm Remote mapping won’t ever be able to capture names which are of course key. So always needs to be combined with local knowledge. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:32pm @AngharadStone Even if you are skilled w/ tree cover (for ex) remote mappers might interpret foreign buildings/paths/etc wrong #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:35pm @ricaji Yes! I’m curious about: is it easier to add names to existing roads? Or less fun? Too hard to see when they’re missing? #geowebchat

@neogeografen Oct 06, 12:38pm @mappingmashups We also have to fix the name problem – lots of ppl thinks OSM is a english project then lang=eng too @ricaji #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Oct 06, 12:39pm #geowebchat @ricaji @mappingmashups even on the ground naming is really hard to get right – we have several River Avon’s (= River river)

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:40pm It’s easier to add names, but, more fun to add the road IMO :) Of course, in contested spaces this is much more important. #geowebchat

@notoncebut2x Oct 06, 12:42pm @ricaji #geowebchat Yeah I am more likely to add buildings and features than attribute data in @openstreetmap especially if I am more remote

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:42pm (Of course it’s not that simple. @mapkibera had some initial tracing support to give some orientation to first mappers.) #geowebchat

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:43pm I think linking remote – local (people2people) is key also not getting stuck into a one size fits all process for each locale. #geowebchat

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:49pm For instance linking this local volunteer qub.me/IGB_2V to armchair folks opens up new opportunities… #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Oct 06, 1:00pm @ricaji Agree, and it builts up the vital need of “belonging to” a certain project and btw community #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 1:00pm Well, we’ve reached the end of our hour at #geowebchat (I had to duck out at the end there, sorry I couldn’t keep the conversation going)

@Zjwarie Oct 06, 1:00pm Just bumping on you interesting discussion! Here you have my opinion on the subject: openstreetmap.org/user/Jorieke%2… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 1:01pm Thanks everybody for joining #geowebchat today. The transcript will be posted at mappingmashups.net soon. Feel free to keep chatting!

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 1:02pm Next #geowebchat will be in one month (Nov 3), same time. @GeoCensos will be our guest host to discuss open #geodata & national map orgs!

@ricaji Oct 06, 1:03pm @Zjwarie OK now summarize into a few tweets :) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 8:50am Today (Tue Sep 1) on #geowebchat we’re talking about #MapLift (nacis.org/maplift/) & @fixwikimaps. Join us at noon PDT! Please RT!

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 9:25am We’re going to be featured on @mappingmashups #geowebchat today, so be sure to tune in and ask questions! #MapLift

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:00pm Welcome everyone to our monthly #geowebchat twitter chat. Today we’re talking about @fixwikimaps and nacis.org/maplift/

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:01pm As always with #geowebchat, make sure you use the hashtag in your tweets to join the conversation. Or mute that hashtag to ignore us!

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:01pm #geowebchat is live!

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:02pm I recommend using a tool like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along more easily. For more about #geowebchat see: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:03pm So let’s start by explaining what @fixwikimaps and #maplift is all about. Then let’s do some show and tell & get feedback. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:06pm @brianddavidson & @jscarto (& with me, a little bit) are the ones who run @fixwikimaps, an effort to improve maps on @Wikipedia #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:07pm @pinakographos & @NACIS joined in the effort with #maplift, which is a week-long @fixwikimaps marathon. It’s going on now! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:08pm @jscarto @brianddavidson @pinakographos @NACIS @fixwikimaps Who of you all is joining #geowebchat? Want to tell us how #maplift is going?

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:09pm RT @tonyquartararo why not just convince @Wikipedia to use @openstreetmap @stamen @mapzen or @Mapbox as the standard references? #geowebchat

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:09pm @mappingmashups #MapLift has been great so far! We’ve had over 100+ new maps added to our database and about 10 have been lifted!#geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:10pm @tonyquartararo Good question! Mainly because most wiki articles need specific, custom maps, not just a default locator map. #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:12pm @mappingmashups @jscarto @brianddavidson @NACIS @fixwikimaps Also I am so far failing to remember to type #geowebchat in my tweets.

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:12pm @tonyquartararo Although I recently learned @Wikipedia _does_ have a project to run its own OSM basemap #geowebchat mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps

@nixzusehen Sep 01, 12:12pm @tonyquartararo The default renderings aren’t appropriate for all articles. A good map enhances the article’s point. #geowebchat

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:12pm @mappingmashups @tonyquartararo It is also monitored by the community, so Wikipedia doesn’t really put any limitations #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 01, 12:12pm @mappingmashups @tonyquartararo Definitely seems like a reasonable approach for SOME article types to standardize maps. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:13pm @tonyquartararo Well @mapisart is great for what it does: somewhat customized printed maps, but they’re not really encyclopedic #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:14pm @mappingmashups @tonyquartararo Also, many articles need maps of historical regions/phenomenon, which web maps don’t have #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:14pm @tonyquartararo The kinds of maps that an encyclopedia article needs are like those listed on fixwikimaps.tumblr.com But better! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:19pm Also, @pinakographos & @NACIS, what’s this I hear about a #MapLift show and tell on CartoTalk.com tomorrow? #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:21pm @mappingmashups @NACIS We’re encouraging people to share their in-progress maps on CartoTalk.com tomorrow & Friday #geowebchat.

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:21pm @mappingmashups @NACIS We’ve got some early discussion already going: cartotalk.com/index.php?show… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:23pm Oh, & we didn’t mention about #maplift there will be prizes for the best maps created during the project! nacis.org/maplift/ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:24pm So who is working on maps for @fixwikimaps and #MapLift? Does anyone want to share their work with #geowebchat? Anyone need advice?

@vtcraghead Sep 01, 12:24pm #MapLift has been an excellent reminder that static cartographer doesn’t come easily to me, needs workshopping. #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:25pm @mappingmashups That’s close. Every map made is an entry into a prize drawing. more maps = more chances to win! #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 01, 12:26pm Speaking of #maplift, this would be good to pair with the 1946 map here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_ic… #geowebchat

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:27pm .@mappingmashups @vtcraghead We’ve been loving the step by step you’ve been doing on your #MapLift journey! #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:27pm @mappingmashups @vtcraghead Seeing people share the stages of their work is great, and I don’t think it’s done enough #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:28pm If you’re working on #maplift, you can get feedback on CartoTalk: cartotalk.com/index.php?show… or on this Slack get.maptiks.com/gisdevs-on-sla… #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 01, 12:29pm @pinakographos @mappingmashups Yeah, workshopping doesn’t come easily once we’ve adopted the label “professional”. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:30pm @niperkm Good question for #geowebchat. Are there @fixwikimaps style guides we should follow? I’m sure there are @Wikipedia pages somewhere?

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:32pm @mappingmashups @niperkm @fixwikimaps There’s en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia…, but it seems to be deviated from often. #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:33pm @mappingmashups @niperkm @fixwikimaps I think it’s useful more for people approaching this with 0 background skills #geowebchat

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:34pm @mappingmashups @niperkm It looks like it’s only there for historical reference though #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:37pm RT @tonyquartararo: @pinakographos @mappingmashups good point. But a “way back machine” for OpenStreetMap ? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:37pm @tonyquartararo @pinakographos Well, @OpenHistMap is the historical @openstreetmap spin-off project, but it has a long way to go #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:38pm @tonyquartararo @mappingmashups That would be great and help in some situations, but still great value in custom, focused maps #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:38pm @gfred3rick We’re having a #geowebchat discussion about #maplift right now. Maybe someone will give you feedback there!

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:39pm What do the folks on #geowebchat think?

@johnjcz Sep 01, 12:41pm Does there have to be any sort of consensus around maps that need fixing / fixed maps for #maplift? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:46pm @johnjcz not really. Its admittedly very subjective. If a map needs help, you’ll know it when you see it! #maplift #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:50pm @johnjcz There’s a lot of maps on wikipedia that need help, so we don’t want to waste #maplift effort on “good enough” maps… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:51pm RT @geo_will: sometimes you don’t know until you use it. Had a map for climbing in Pakistan, it was wrong, looked lovely though #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:52pm @geo_will Good point: most of #MapLift is about correcting style, not always fixing factual error #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:53pm @johnjcz If the community disagrees, they might revert to the old map, which is fine. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:53pm @geo_will this gets into the topic of “armchair mapping” which we mentioned in the last #geowebchat. And I think maybe next time’s topic.

@johnjcz Sep 01, 12:54pm @mappingmashups That’s why I was curious. Seems like most wikipedia maps are “good enough” ie factually correct but maybe “ugly” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:55pm @johnjcz Well, “good enough” should also be a function of usability. If it’s factually correct but unreadable, it needs help. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:00pm Thanks to everyone who joined today’s #geowebchat! Keep working on your #maplift projects, and check out nacis.org/maplift/ this week!

@johnjcz Sep 01, 1:02pm @mappingmashups Does @fixwikimaps have a “why” for maps that need fixing? Curious to see what people deem “not good enough” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:03pm Next chat will be in one month: October 6th, same time. Topic will be “armchair mapping”! Mapping from the comfort of your home! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:04pm @johnjcz @fixwikimaps fixwikimaps.tumblr.com tries to give a “why” about most of the maps that need fixing. #maplift #geowebchat

@AlbinPCLarsson Sep 01, 1:05pm .@fixwikimaps #maplift #geowebchat are you aware of the Commons map template?

Strongly recommend using it :-)

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:09pm @wildlifegisgirl I haven’t done any yet, but we just had a whole #geowebchat about #maplift! #gistribe

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:18pm @AlbinPCLarsson @fixwikimaps Is this the template you mean? commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:00pm Welcome everyone to our monthly #geowebchat! Today we’re talking about “outdoor mapping”. Feel free to join the chat or just follow along!

@TheMissingMaps Aug 04, 12:00pm We’re not outdoor mapping, but here’s a wave for everyone on #GeoWebChat from #MissingMaps London https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLliMmkWsAA5pq2.jpg

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:03pm So if you want to join the #geowebchat, just make sure to include that hashtag in all your tweets. Try tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat for following.

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:04pm So, I certainly had @openstreetmap in mind when I suggested this #geowebchat topic, but we can talk about any kind of outdoor mapping.

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:06pm The @OpenStreetMapUS #mapathon in spring was “great outdoors” themed. Did anyone join? What did you map? #geowebchat wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapathon/…

@bethschechter Aug 04, 12:06pm Hey everyone! I’m really interested in hearing what kind of outdoor mapping activities people have done. #geowebchat

@bethschechter Aug 04, 12:07pm Did you use @fieldpapers? Did you learn orienteering? Were you using surveying tools? What was the purpose? #geowebchat

@bethschechter Aug 04, 12:08pm I want to know all the things! I’m also interested in maps about the great outdoors. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:09pm @eleanortutt Did some people choose one tool and stick with it, or did everybody use a lot of those tools during the day? #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:10pm @mappingmashups I gave an intro listing those tools & a few more & people picked the one that suited them best. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:12pm I like Field Papers b/c I can convert random people outdoors to mappers by handing them a map to mark up – no apps required #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:13pm @eleanortutt Did the mappers using @fieldpapers trace the maps themselves, or did other people do it? Curious about that with FP #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:14pm That’s also a question for the @TheMissingMaps mappers in London: are you tracing from @fieldpapers or from aerial imagery? #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:14pm @mappingmashups In this particular case, only one person used @fieldpapers & he traced himself. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:15pm @mappingmashups But in the past, I’ve handed @fieldpapers to people & told them to just upload a photo whenever they are done. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:18pm .@eleanortutt W/ tools like @fieldpapers & now @mapillary, sometimes the surveyor isn’t necessarily the one to add it to OSM. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:19pm .@eleanortutt I guess that’s also true whenever you’re tracing from others’ GPS traces like w/ @Strava’s slide tool. #geowebchat

@npdoty Aug 04, 12:19pm @fieldpapers I want to use field papers to get a bunch of neighbors to map the locations of all the trees in Oakland. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:20pm Might also make sense to do outdoor mapping with @fieldpapers in fall when weather is nice & then digitize indoors during winter #geowebchat

@ER1CK5ON Aug 04, 12:20pm #geowebchat How I am expermenting with outdoor mapping: mapillary.com/map/im/44QY4Kj…

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:21pm @npdoty @fieldpapers & species too, & maybe even approx height? You can sometimes map trees from aerial, but not much metadata #geowebchat

@TheMapSmith Aug 04, 12:22pm No channel for outdoor mapping (yet), but theres lotsa geo-convos happening @ The Spatial Community Slack thespatialcommunity.com #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:23pm @ER1CK5ON Are you walking or biking in that @mapillary photo? #geowebchat I’ve wondered abt improvising a kind of @mapillary walking vest

@BobGradeck Aug 04, 12:23pm #geowebchat favorite time to map trails is during winter. Easy to see tracks in snow, and no leaves makes for a better GPS signal.

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:26pm @BobGradeck But…cold! Rather be inside w/ hot cocoa. Side note: snow (tracks/lack thereof) also helps w/ vacant bldg surveys #geowebchat

@pcrickard Aug 04, 12:26pm There is a #geowebchat now. @Ellevatory

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:26pm RT @npdoty: yeah, I’ve been marking height and diameter (with standardized tags); species would be good for health research #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:29pm @mappingmashups @npdoty I learned some munis have staff arborists – worth checking & involving them if they exist where you are. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:30pm @ER1CK5ON @mapillary The action cam is to steady the shots? I can see that, too much bounce, huh? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:31pm @eleanortutt @npdoty Also worth checking, is there an #Oakland equivalent of @SFUrbanForester? #geowebchat #trees #SF

@bethschechter Aug 04, 12:33pm does anyone have experience with using a geo data collection app that collects both the path your on + easy point collection? #geowebchat

@bethschechter Aug 04, 12:34pm I’m thinking of the use case of bike mapping. You want to be collecting your path, and then easily switch to adding a point. #geowebchat

@ER1CK5ON Aug 04, 12:34pm #geowebchat I started down the same path ;-) and discovered this: bit.ly/1TEDqIZ and this amzn.to/1IWdWnO

@bethschechter Aug 04, 12:35pm @calimapnerd @calimapnerd cool. i had some trouble using it, but that was years ago. I should try again :) #geowebchat

@ER1CK5ON Aug 04, 12:36pm @mappingmashups @mapillary I dont know yet, have to get out and test it #geowebchat

@TheMapSmith Aug 04, 12:37pm We’ve used ArcGIS Collector with great success over the last few summers to collect field data. Very easy to setup, easy to use. #geowebchat

@ER1CK5ON Aug 04, 12:37pm @BobGradeck good point, fall and early spring good time here in VA too! #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:38pm Good to know. Still searching for perfect app. Mentioned OSMAnd at mapathon but haven’t personally used. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:39pm @bethschechter I think a lot of bike mappers use a voice recorder and then transcribe their notes later using gps + timestamp #geowebchat

@ER1CK5ON Aug 04, 12:40pm @bethschechter my old garmin edge 305 allowed POI collection by hitting a button. It has to have improved since that version #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:41pm Anyone have experience doing outdoor OSM mapping w/ a group & dividing up territory? Curious about this: wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapCraft #geowebchat

@bethschechter Aug 04, 12:41pm nice! thanks for the advice y’all #geowebchat

@talldave Aug 04, 12:44pm @mappingmashups Shawn Britton does a lot of that meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenS… #geowebchat

@Ellevatory Aug 04, 12:46pm Thanks, what is the topic of #geowebchat?

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:46pm Is MapCraft the best (or only) tool for making Cake Diagrams? Do most mappers do them by hand or w/ GIS? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:47pm @Ellevatory @pcrickard We’re talking about outdoor mapping today. #geowebchat

@neogeografen Aug 04, 12:48pm On bike – Mapillary fits for easy&quick collect. surface=XX, lit=yes/no and barrier=cycle_barrier and finding new paths #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:49pm What tools do you wish existed for easier outdoor mapping? What’s missing? How can we make it more effective and fun? #geowebchat

@tim_waters Aug 04, 12:51pm @mappingmashups print out a map, meet mappers, draw on the map. Much easier and interactive and you get to chat with the mappers #geowebchat

@Ellevatory Aug 04, 12:52pm Yo #geowebchat, I’m a regular over at #gistribe, what is your hashtag all about and does it reoccur e.g. weekly?

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:53pm @Ellevatory #geowebchat is monthly on the 1st Tuesday. More info here (plus transcripts) mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@Ellevatory Aug 04, 12:53pm This stuff looks really cool – 3D augmented reality map – youtube.com/watch?v=CE1B7t… #geowebchat

@ER1CK5ON Aug 04, 12:55pm @mappingmashups AFFORDABLE GPS Cameras with GPS Voice Tagging, Sunlight Readable Display, Endless Nice Weather??#geowebchat

@Ellevatory Aug 04, 12:55pm Thanks mate! #geowebchat

@bethschechter Aug 04, 12:56pm @Ellevatory that is totally one of the coolest uses of AR I’ve seen! The @exploratorium should get one of those :) #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Aug 04, 12:56pm for outdoor mapping, I use voice recording w/ osmtracker, + @mapillary although my s5′s camera focus results in blurry photos #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:57pm @mappingmashups Random thought: would be cool to get notification when I’m near another mapper – maybe my OSM “friends” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:57pm Any last thoughts about outdoor mapping for this #geowebchat? Maybe next chat should be about the opposite: armchair mapping?

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:58pm @mappingmashups Although maybe by cool I mean creepy – it would depend on my mood. But might help coordinate mapathons. #geowebchat

@ColinReillyNY Aug 04, 12:58pm @mappingmashups for trees there’s @TreeKIT being used by @NYCParks for TreesCount nycgovparks.org/trees/treescou… #geowebchat

@KubaKonczyk Aug 04, 12:59pm @Ellevatory it’s also quite easy to build using old kinect:D #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 12:59pm @eleanortutt That would be cool. OSM definitely needs more enhanced social features. See: brainoff.com/weblog/2012/03… from @mikel #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 12:59pm @mappingmashups Would also be helpful to easily add custom CartoCSS styles to @fieldpapers basemaps #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 1:00pm Thanks all for joining this #geowebchat! Next one will be same time on September 1st. As always I’m seeking guest hosts & topic suggestions!

@MAPTIMELA Aug 04, 1:00pm @mappingmashups I @machikoyasuda want to map trails w/ POC/Native stories like pri.org/stories/2014-1… foresthistory.org/ASPNET/People/… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 1:00pm The transcript for this #geowebchat about outdoor mapping will be posted at mappingmashups.net/geowebchat in a few days

@eleanortutt Aug 04, 1:01pm @mappingmashups Thanks for hosting! #geowebchat

@bethschechter Aug 04, 1:01pm @tvargs no idea! I should look it up though :) #geowebchat thanks for the lead!

@ER1CK5ON Aug 04, 1:02pm Future topic? Unmapped trails, getting them in OSM!!#geowebchat

@bethschechter Aug 04, 1:02pm @mappingmashups thanks for putting this together! So helpful! #geowebchat

@Ellevatory Aug 04, 1:06pm Since the topic is outdoor mapping, it makes me I wonder what kind of mapping is not done outdoor? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Aug 04, 1:11pm @Ellevatory There’s a concept in #openstreetmap called “armchair mapping” which isn’t done outdoors wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_… #geowebchat

@Ellevatory Aug 04, 1:19pm Interesting @mappingmashups I did not know of this until Nepal earthquake, it puzzled me ppl mapped but hadn’t been there #geowebchat