#geowebchat transcript, 15 December 2015: #topgeostoryof2015


@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:40pm Okay everybody, now we’re going to count down the #topgeostoryof2015! This is all a very scientific tally of _your_ votes! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:41pm 10. #topgeostoryof2015 is the popularity of @what3words! (and #what3emoji) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:42pm 9th place for #topgeostoryof2015 is the drawn-out sale of HERE Maps to a consortium of car makers #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:44pm 8th place for #topgeostoryof2015 is drones in the news & going mainstream (although I think we voted this in previous years too) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:44pm 7th place for #topgeostoryof2015 is Google shutting down Google Maps Engine and Google Earth Enterprise #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:45pm 6th place for #topgeostoryof2015 is the wide adoption of Vector Tiles (including ESRI adopting @Mapbox’s spec) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:48pm 5th #topgeostoryof2015: everybody’s Escape from Mercator blog.cartodb.com/free-your-maps… mapzen.com/blog/escape-fr… mapbox.com/blog/mapping-a… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:49pm 4th place for #topgeostoryof2015 is #Map4Nepal w/ @openstreetmap/@hotosm/ktmlivinglabs #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:51pm 3rd place for #topgeostoryof2015, counting sarcastic twitter chatter: @Mapbox & @mapzen hiring everybody #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:52pm 2nd place for the #topgeostoryof2015 is the new dawn of funding for geo education (It was news to me!) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:54pm And finally, the #topgeostoryof2015…. the new release of @Mapbox Studio with end-to-end WebGL cartography! #geowebchat Congrats @Mapbox!

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:55pm Thanks everybody for voting for the #topgeostoryof2015! As always the #geowebchat transcript will be posted shortly: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2015, 12:56pm Next #geowebchat will be at the same time in 3 weeks on January 5th. We’ll be making predictions for 2016! See you then! (12pm PST 3pm EST)

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Next #geowebchat: #topgeostoryof2015

It’s time for our annual round-up of the top stories on the geoweb and in the greater world of geospatial and cartography. On Tuesday December 15th at noon PST we’ll be counting down your votes for the biggest news in geo this year.

Please send me your votes either as comments on this blog post, or on twitter at @mappingmashups.

To see the top 10 lists for previous years, check out the transcripts: 2012, 2013, and 2014.

Need some ideas? You might start with Visualoop’s “100 outstanding interactive maps of 2015″. Or you might want to review the last year’s posts from some of your favorite bloggers([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], etc.), or maybe re-read the weekly OSM newsletter, or the peruse the blogs of your favorite mapping companies ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], etc.) to see what they’ve announced this year.

Looking forward to joining you all on twitter at #geowebchat on Tuesday!

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#geowebchat transcript, 3 November 2015: #opengovdata with @GeoCensos


@GeoCensos Oct 30, 6:10pm After #ogpmapping at #ogp15 we ask : What can govs learn from #openmappping ?. Join us next 3/11 11am EST in #geowebchat #opengovdata”

@mappingmashups Nov 02, 5:25pm Tmrw on #geowebchat, we wake up early on the west coast for a special time 8am PST. Topic is #opengovdata w/ guest host @GeoCensos. Join us!

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 6:02am Welcome all #openmapping communities 2 discuss about #govopengeodata in a #geowebchat hosted by @GeoCensos, tks to @geothinkca initiative

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 6:03am Welcome also #opengovpart stakeholders 2 discuss about #govopengeodata in a #geowebchat hosted by @GeoCensos, tks to @geothinkca initiative

@geothinkca Nov 03, 6:14am RT @re_sieber: What govs can learn from #openmappping?#geowebchat 11am EST Nov 3 medium.com/@mikelmaron/op…

@re_sieber Nov 03, 7:19am Economic Impact of Open Data: What Do We Already Know? From @JeniT @ ODI huffingtonpost.co.uk/jeni-tennison/… #geowebchat @geothinkca @peterajohnson

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 7:51am Welcom all parties and communities to discuss about #govopengeodata in a #geowebchat hosted by @GeoCensos, thanks to @geothinkca initiative

@re_sieber Nov 03, 7:59am Welcome everyone to #opendata for government & #openmapping @ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 03, 8:00am Hello to everyone joining today’s special-time #geowebchat! Welcome to #ogp15 attendees! More info about the chat: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:01am Goal of this #geowebchat: trigger dialogue answering 4 provoking statements in a scale: 1. Agree + 2. Agree – 3. Not agree + 4. Not agree -

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:01am Or #opendata for gov is viewed as use cases, best practices #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 03, 8:01am If you want to join the conversation, be sure to use the hashtag #geowebchat in all your tweets. Follow along here: tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:03am #geowebchat will be enriched justifying previously scaled answers, ie “3. NOT AGREE to statement because governments don’t know about maps”

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:03am #openmapping for gov is also a managerial issue. How do you integrate #opendata in SOP of gov? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:03am We should probably begin by defining ‘open’ in #opendata, #openmapping for go #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:04am @re_sieber Its a matter of openess of institutions, of course , and gov need to apropiate #datarevolution #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:06am .@GeoCensos Never thought of ‘open’ as openness of institutions to VGI. Usually think of open as OKFN definition #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:06am @re_sieber openess in #geodata is about simple accessibility to data, its replicability and reuse for anyone or ANY purposes #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:07am .@peterajohnson has done research on openness of gov to accept citizen-generated data like OSM #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:08am #geowebchat STATEmnt 1 #openmapping will never work for govs as all stat nat offices own all mayor #geodata in countries and don`t share.

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:08am #geowebchat will enrich if justifying previously scaled answers, ie “3. NOT AGREE to statement because governments don’t know about maps”

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:09am .@GeoCensos Depends on scale, as ownership varies by level of gov. US fed data governed by strong FOIA, cult of openbydefault #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:09am Intrigued by the possibility of #OSM adoption I asked 8 Canadian muni govs what they thought – most had never heard of #OSM #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:10am @re_sieber @peterajohnson can u please provide any links about that? I`d be fruitful if some of #geowebchat can enrich that research I guess

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:11am .@ international level, we have instance of UN, other agencies using OSM for humanitarian relief #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:11am @peterajohnson Sure there is a #evangelization gap between gov natnl or local on #openmapping that the real #datarevolution #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:11am Some govs are open to direct citizen contributions to fix data errors. Not sure if direct edits would fit. #geowebchat

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:12am @GeoCensos In my mind, economic value is directly proportional to degree of openness, but no data to back it up. no -BY, etc. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:12am Are we working w a common definition of #openmapping? Is it = non-expert crowdsourced geographic content? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:13am Does gov position as provider for emergency services routing, legal land titles, impact possibility of open map adoption? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:13am @re_sieber I’m assuming we are talking about #osm ? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:14am @mapanauta @GeoCensos @lxbarth Not sure we have the extra characters to use both #geowebchat & #opengeotalk

@charlielapin Nov 03, 8:14am .@re_sieber Why non-expert? The qualifier seems unnecessary considering the implications of openness. #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:14am .@GeoCensos #geowebchat don’t agree, of course, since we are already seeing many examples to the contrary

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:14am @re_sieber Signaling could work for openess in institutions, its time to think about a good std 4certifiable openess 4 govs #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:16am .@GeoCensos #geowebchat but open mapping definition can include OSM and other thematic data, some of which can be more ‘proprietary’

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:16am .@charlielapin We usually-not always-insert non-expert into discussion of VGI to distinguish it from credentialled contributions #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:18am .@bensonwilder would lk to broaden discussion beyond OSM. Examples of proprietary sources? Is #openmapping ab data or map? #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:19am .@peterajohnson #geowebchat It can, in good ways – see modernisation.gouv.fr/salle-de-press…

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:20am @re_sieber #openmapping has no common definition as it is an evolving discipline, its still a challenging task #geowebchat

@lxbarth Nov 03, 8:20am @re_sieber @bensonwilder see also openaddresses.io #geowebchat

@lxbarth Nov 03, 8:20am @re_sieber @bensonwilder open mapping = open data + open collaboration #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:21am #geowebchat STATEmnt 2 #opengovs are really trying hard #opengeodata actions, but they WILL NEVER include #openmapping in their workflows

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:21am @bensonwilder Nice example – this is a good start. Still unsure about prop bound, but turns/curbs for emerg serv maybe? #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:22am .@re_sieber #geowebchat varies according to context and local/natl authority. but admin boundaries at lower levels for one.

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:22am #geowebchat discussion can work justifying scaled answers to below, ie “3. NOT AGREE to statement because bla bla bla…”

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:22am @lxbarth @re_sieber #geowebchat yes that’s a better link!

@vtcraghead Nov 03, 8:23am @lxbarth @re_sieber @bensonwilder <canofworms>Google Map Maker</canofworms> #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:23am @lxbarth @re_sieber #geowebchat maps are always about the data imho.

@lxbarth Nov 03, 8:23am @vtcraghead @re_sieber @bensonwilder google map maker does not create open data #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:23am @vtcraghead @lxbarth @re_sieber @bensonwilder clearly not open! #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:24am .@bensonwilder @lxbarth I still some #opendata portals in Canada, where gov thinks OD is ab mapping/viz data #geowebchat

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:25am @GeoCensos but…I am sure there are many that already do some comparison between #osm and own data #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:26am .@bensonwilder @lxbarth Also issue of how close to raw data should be #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:26am @peterajohnson #geowebchat maybe its true, but this does not assure govs will adopt the #openess of #geodata … have u got case studies?

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:28am .@peterajohnson @GeoCensos #geowebchat compare, use, incorporate, fill in gaps…

@peterajohnson Nov 03, 8:29am @GeoCensos working on those case studies…. #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:29am #geowebchat STATEmnt 3 @aliciabarcena from @eclac_un said Nat stats orgs MUST be opened to civil society . Explain your position, please.

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:30am (whoa, seeing lots of grammatical errors in my own #geowebchat). This is not like a bicycle-must continue to practice twitterchats!)

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:32am @re_sieber Never mind, I guess latinos like @javiercarranza3 have a lot to learn from you, not smth to be too proud of, but…#geowebchat

@vtcraghead Nov 03, 8:32am @lxbarth @re_sieber @bensonwilder e.g. satsentinel.org/blog/lets-buil… #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:33am .@re_sieber @lxbarth well to be fair that still allows for engagement with the data. positive step on a spectrum in my book.#geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:33am What about statement3? No politically correct answers, please! @aliciabarcena said Nat stat orgs MUST be opened to civil society #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:33am In #openmapping, are we agnostic as to source? Don’t care if citizen-, gov- or priv sector generated? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:36am If we’re agnostic ab source of data (citizen, priv sector,gov) then can we still ask for raw data Can we have opencollab w/o it? #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:38am #geowebchat STATEmnt5 @mikel said @ goo.gl/jrx5tU that #openmapping is “equally accessible, not silo’d by border or organization”

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:38am .@bensonwilder @lxbarth How is opencollab diff from a consulting contract to map? #geowebchat

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:38am @bensonwilder I am pretty sure that the proprietary vendors are doing it, why not gov! #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Nov 03, 8:39am @peterajohnson @lxbarth @re_sieber @bensonwilder Well it’s complicated, not least by license: services.google.com/fb/forms/mapma… #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:40am @re_sieber @bensonwilder @lxbarth 4 us, #opencollab does not diff from a consulting contract to map but in #geoopendata #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:40am .@GeoCensos @aliciabarcena Agreed. Data from Nat stats orgs must open data to civil society (protecting privacy, OFC) #geowebchat

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:41am @bensonwilder @re_sieber @lxbarth Maybe there is an opportunity to provide tools/apis that gov can use to monitor data changes? #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:41am @re_sieber @aliciabarcena thats a dimension that should be embeded in #opendata definitions : institutional policies #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:42am .@mikel argues, in #openmapping, ‘Sources & methodologies are fully transparent’. Just say no to patents #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:45am Time to wrap up #geowebchat : Have 3 – 4 concluding remarks to make sure we all understood our #geowebchat findings or takeaways Maybe not

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:45am #geowebchat Conclusion 1 Governments need to walk the talk 4 #openmapping and #mappingrevolution as many don`t even know the talk

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:46am #geowebchat Conclusion 2 You can convince governments to include some #opengeodata in their plans, but the walk needs a long talk yet

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:46am Don’t see opening in medium.com/@mikelmaron/op… for licenses ever. Thorny subj #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:46am #geowebchat Conclusion 3 Google Map maker is clearly not open and does not fit in the evolving definition of @openmapping

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:46am @GeoCensos Next steps or place for further discussion? #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:46am #geowebchat Conclusion 4 Have some #opendata portals in Canada, where gov thinks OD is a mapping/viz data #geowebchat

@davidfawcett Nov 03, 8:48am @GeoCensos How do we get together to focus those talks? (my interest is US state and local gov data) #geowebchat

@jedmiller Nov 03, 8:48am @re_sieber But #DataRevolution work must tell Nat Stats orgs to /engage/ CSOs, not just “open” data @GeoCensos @aliciabarcena #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:49am .@GeoCensos #geowebchat we are going to see as much #openmappingevolution as we do #openmappingrevolution. more of the latter at local scale

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:49am .@GeoCensos @openmapping Conclusion 3:We need consensus on meaning of open. Otherwise, concept can be co-opted by gov, priv sect #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:50am @davidfawcett 1. we are going to put together a paper and share 2 put a statement 4 @StatsCanada next NSO conference in #Quito #geowebchat

@bensonwilder Nov 03, 8:51am #geowebchat @jedmiller @re_sieber @GeoCensos @aliciabarcena incentives may lie in co-creation of (often new) data

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:51am .@jedmiller No to #Opendata as throwing data over the wall sciencedirect.com/science/articl… #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:51am #geowebchat conclusion 5:We need consensus on meaning of open. Otherwise, concept can be co-opted by gov, priv sect

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:53am Thanks to everyone who joined today’s #geowebchat! Lets keep working on to map together with #opengovs a better world!

@jedmiller Nov 03, 8:54am Good idea. A “create-a-palooza” for #opendata, w/2-way incentives. Instead of “We make. You use.” #geowebchat

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:54am Conclusion 5.5 #openmapping > crowdsourced mapping #geowebchat #FOSS

@re_sieber Nov 03, 8:56am Thanks everyone for participating in today’s #geowebchat on #openmapping, #opencollaboration

@GeoCensos Nov 03, 8:57am Sorry, but @javiercarranza3 needs to catch a plane from Mexico – Bogota. Please keep the dialogue open and geo. Hasta la vista! #geowebchat

@jedmiller Nov 03, 8:58am .@re_sieber Yes. No #opendata “over the wall.” Need govt listening to what can makes #opendata usable. tech.transparency-initiative.org/treat-all-data… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 03, 9:01am Thanks @GeoCensos for running today’s #geowebchat! I’ll post the transcript on mappingmashups.net shortly!

@jedmiller Nov 03, 9:03am Rich soil, vast expanses in twitter #GeoWebChat on #geomapping, #opendata and what can govts learn. @re_sieber @mikel

@mappingmashups Nov 03, 9:03am Next #geowebchat is in one month, on Dec 1st, at 12 noon PST. Topic will be the #topgeostoryof2015. Start sending me your votes!

@mikel Nov 03, 11:03am great #geowebchat today, sorry to miss twitter.com/hashtag/geoweb… #openmapping is about collaboration, great example medium.com/backchannel/op…

@GeoCensos Nov 04, 3:02pm Our last #geowebchat boarded relevance and potential of #mappingrevolution for governments, preview transcript at ln.is/tweetchat.com/…

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#geowebchat transcript, 6 October 2015: “armchair mapping”


@mappingmashups Oct 02, 10:18am Next #geowebchat we’ll discuss “armchair mapping”. What are the challenges in remote mapping for @openstreetmap? Tue Oct 6 12pm PDT. Pls RT!

@geoawesomeness Oct 02, 10:23am This #geowebchat seems really interesting! RSVP #GeoGeeks! Via @mappingmashups #geoawesomeness

@osmcbba Oct 03, 1:07pm Sigue el próximo #geowebchat: “mapeo de sillón” o “mapeo remoto”. Únete Mar 6 Oct 12h UTC-7. wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_… via @mappingmashups

@mappingmashups Oct 05, 10:53am A fascinating (& long) email thread about remote mapping: lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk… relevant to our upcoming #geowebchat (Tue Oct 6, 12pm PDT)

@mappingmashups Oct 05, 10:57am RE remote mapping by @ricaji groundtruth.in/2015/06/05/osm… @gwilymeades place-memes.blogspot.de/2015/05/the-hu… @jbjensson joi.betra.is/?p=1769 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 7:07am Today (Tue Oct 6) on #geowebchat we debate “armchair mapping” wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_… What is it, & how do we do it well? Join us: noon PDT!

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:02pm Welcome everyone to today’s #geowebchat about remote mapping aka “armchair mapping” wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Armchair_…

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:03pm As with every #geowebchat, make sure you use the hashtag in your tweets if you want to join the conversation. Or mute the hashtag to ignore.

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:05pm I recommend using a tool like @TweetChat to tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along with #geowebchat. Easier to track the conversation

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:05pm Two months ago on #geowebchat we discussed “outdoor mapping” mappingmashups.net/2015/08/04/geo… and many people asked, isn’t all mapping done outdoors?

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:07pm But especially in @openstreetmap, there is a lot of mapping you can do by tracing satellite imagery: hence “armchair mapping” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:08pm I’d like to hear from those of you joining #geowebchat: who has done any remote mapping yourselves, for @TheMissingMaps or @hotosm perhaps?

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:10pm For #geowebchat on remote mapping, some provocative arguments challenging the idea: groundtruth.in/2015/06/05/osm… and place-memes.blogspot.de/2015/05/the-hu…

@AngharadStone Oct 06, 12:13pm @mappingmashups besides armchair mapping – are we also considering modelling mapping? Ie landslide or flood risk areas? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:14pm @AngharadStone Interesting Q. Is there a way someone would do the modeling differently if they were on the scene vs remote? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:16pm @AngharadStone armchair mapping is controversial for 2 reasons: 1) that remote ppl don’t know the situation on the ground… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:16pm @AngharadStone …and 2) that remote mappers would displace or discourage local people from doing the mapping themselves #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:19pm @GeoCensos interesting article! Do you think that using local social media feeds is a way to get locals involved in mapping? #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Oct 06, 12:19pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat Do you have any evidence of remote mappers discouraging ground surveying?

@mapperz Oct 06, 12:20pm @AngharadStone @mappingmashups Flood Risk Mapping Polygons wrapped up with #geoserver #openlayers #geowebchat …od-warning-information.service.gov.uk/map #map

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:23pm It’s not necessarily a case of remote mappers discouraging. It’s more a case of too little support going to local mappers. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:23pm @AngharadStone In the #OSM email thread there are many theories, but little evidence either way. lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:24pm Regarding #geowebchat, it looks like there’s a #missingmaps #mapathon happening in London as we speak! @inderpaldsingh @ukpwhite

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:26pm In some places can be tricky to create local ownership of the map as well and build local volunteer community.
#geowebchat

@AngharadStone Oct 06, 12:26pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat Ok back to the main topic – do people consider the possible issues tracing aerial imagery? Eg tree cover

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:28pm @ricaji Maybe “discouraging” is the wrong word. It’s that remote mappers pre-empt a local map that would’ve evolved differently #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:29pm @AngharadStone Certainly that’s an issue. And in OSM there is also the frequent problem of misaligned or out-of-date imagery. #geowebchat

@TheMissingMaps Oct 06, 12:30pm @mappingmashups @inderpaldsingh @ukpwhite hi guys, remote mapping two areas of Congo tonight…. Big wave to #geowebchat gang!

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:30pm @AngharadStone Those are problems that even someone mapping a nearby town would face if they’re not skilled w/ aerial imagery #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:31pm @TheMissingMaps Which @hotosm tasks are you doing, out of curiosity? #geowebchat

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:32pm Remote mapping won’t ever be able to capture names which are of course key. So always needs to be combined with local knowledge. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:32pm @AngharadStone Even if you are skilled w/ tree cover (for ex) remote mappers might interpret foreign buildings/paths/etc wrong #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 12:35pm @ricaji Yes! I’m curious about: is it easier to add names to existing roads? Or less fun? Too hard to see when they’re missing? #geowebchat

@neogeografen Oct 06, 12:38pm @mappingmashups We also have to fix the name problem – lots of ppl thinks OSM is a english project then lang=eng too @ricaji #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Oct 06, 12:39pm #geowebchat @ricaji @mappingmashups even on the ground naming is really hard to get right – we have several River Avon’s (= River river)

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:40pm It’s easier to add names, but, more fun to add the road IMO :) Of course, in contested spaces this is much more important. #geowebchat

@notoncebut2x Oct 06, 12:42pm @ricaji #geowebchat Yeah I am more likely to add buildings and features than attribute data in @openstreetmap especially if I am more remote

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:42pm (Of course it’s not that simple. @mapkibera had some initial tracing support to give some orientation to first mappers.) #geowebchat

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:43pm I think linking remote – local (people2people) is key also not getting stuck into a one size fits all process for each locale. #geowebchat

@ricaji Oct 06, 12:49pm For instance linking this local volunteer qub.me/IGB_2V to armchair folks opens up new opportunities… #geowebchat

@GeoCensos Oct 06, 1:00pm @ricaji Agree, and it builts up the vital need of “belonging to” a certain project and btw community #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 1:00pm Well, we’ve reached the end of our hour at #geowebchat (I had to duck out at the end there, sorry I couldn’t keep the conversation going)

@Zjwarie Oct 06, 1:00pm Just bumping on you interesting discussion! Here you have my opinion on the subject: openstreetmap.org/user/Jorieke%2… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 1:01pm Thanks everybody for joining #geowebchat today. The transcript will be posted at mappingmashups.net soon. Feel free to keep chatting!

@mappingmashups Oct 06, 1:02pm Next #geowebchat will be in one month (Nov 3), same time. @GeoCensos will be our guest host to discuss open #geodata & national map orgs!

@ricaji Oct 06, 1:03pm @Zjwarie OK now summarize into a few tweets :) #geowebchat

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#geowebchat transcript, 1 September 2015: #MapLift and @FixWikiMaps


@mappingmashups Sep 01, 8:50am Today (Tue Sep 1) on #geowebchat we’re talking about #MapLift (nacis.org/maplift/) & @fixwikimaps. Join us at noon PDT! Please RT!

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 9:25am We’re going to be featured on @mappingmashups #geowebchat today, so be sure to tune in and ask questions! #MapLift

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:00pm Welcome everyone to our monthly #geowebchat twitter chat. Today we’re talking about @fixwikimaps and nacis.org/maplift/

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:01pm As always with #geowebchat, make sure you use the hashtag in your tweets to join the conversation. Or mute that hashtag to ignore us!

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:01pm #geowebchat is live!

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:02pm I recommend using a tool like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along more easily. For more about #geowebchat see: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:03pm So let’s start by explaining what @fixwikimaps and #maplift is all about. Then let’s do some show and tell & get feedback. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:06pm @brianddavidson & @jscarto (& with me, a little bit) are the ones who run @fixwikimaps, an effort to improve maps on @Wikipedia #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:07pm @pinakographos & @NACIS joined in the effort with #maplift, which is a week-long @fixwikimaps marathon. It’s going on now! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:08pm @jscarto @brianddavidson @pinakographos @NACIS @fixwikimaps Who of you all is joining #geowebchat? Want to tell us how #maplift is going?

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:09pm RT @tonyquartararo why not just convince @Wikipedia to use @openstreetmap @stamen @mapzen or @Mapbox as the standard references? #geowebchat

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:09pm @mappingmashups #MapLift has been great so far! We’ve had over 100+ new maps added to our database and about 10 have been lifted!#geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:10pm @tonyquartararo Good question! Mainly because most wiki articles need specific, custom maps, not just a default locator map. #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:12pm @mappingmashups @jscarto @brianddavidson @NACIS @fixwikimaps Also I am so far failing to remember to type #geowebchat in my tweets.

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:12pm @tonyquartararo Although I recently learned @Wikipedia _does_ have a project to run its own OSM basemap #geowebchat mediawiki.org/wiki/Maps

@nixzusehen Sep 01, 12:12pm @tonyquartararo The default renderings aren’t appropriate for all articles. A good map enhances the article’s point. #geowebchat

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:12pm @mappingmashups @tonyquartararo It is also monitored by the community, so Wikipedia doesn’t really put any limitations #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 01, 12:12pm @mappingmashups @tonyquartararo Definitely seems like a reasonable approach for SOME article types to standardize maps. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:13pm @tonyquartararo Well @mapisart is great for what it does: somewhat customized printed maps, but they’re not really encyclopedic #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:14pm @mappingmashups @tonyquartararo Also, many articles need maps of historical regions/phenomenon, which web maps don’t have #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:14pm @tonyquartararo The kinds of maps that an encyclopedia article needs are like those listed on fixwikimaps.tumblr.com But better! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:19pm Also, @pinakographos & @NACIS, what’s this I hear about a #MapLift show and tell on CartoTalk.com tomorrow? #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:21pm @mappingmashups @NACIS We’re encouraging people to share their in-progress maps on CartoTalk.com tomorrow & Friday #geowebchat.

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:21pm @mappingmashups @NACIS We’ve got some early discussion already going: cartotalk.com/index.php?show… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:23pm Oh, & we didn’t mention about #maplift there will be prizes for the best maps created during the project! nacis.org/maplift/ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:24pm So who is working on maps for @fixwikimaps and #MapLift? Does anyone want to share their work with #geowebchat? Anyone need advice?

@vtcraghead Sep 01, 12:24pm #MapLift has been an excellent reminder that static cartographer doesn’t come easily to me, needs workshopping. #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:25pm @mappingmashups That’s close. Every map made is an entry into a prize drawing. more maps = more chances to win! #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 01, 12:26pm Speaking of #maplift, this would be good to pair with the 1946 map here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_ic… #geowebchat

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:27pm .@mappingmashups @vtcraghead We’ve been loving the step by step you’ve been doing on your #MapLift journey! #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:27pm @mappingmashups @vtcraghead Seeing people share the stages of their work is great, and I don’t think it’s done enough #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:28pm If you’re working on #maplift, you can get feedback on CartoTalk: cartotalk.com/index.php?show… or on this Slack get.maptiks.com/gisdevs-on-sla… #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 01, 12:29pm @pinakographos @mappingmashups Yeah, workshopping doesn’t come easily once we’ve adopted the label “professional”. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:30pm @niperkm Good question for #geowebchat. Are there @fixwikimaps style guides we should follow? I’m sure there are @Wikipedia pages somewhere?

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:32pm @mappingmashups @niperkm @fixwikimaps There’s en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia…, but it seems to be deviated from often. #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:33pm @mappingmashups @niperkm @fixwikimaps I think it’s useful more for people approaching this with 0 background skills #geowebchat

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:34pm @mappingmashups @niperkm It looks like it’s only there for historical reference though #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:37pm RT @tonyquartararo: @pinakographos @mappingmashups good point. But a “way back machine” for OpenStreetMap ? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:37pm @tonyquartararo @pinakographos Well, @OpenHistMap is the historical @openstreetmap spin-off project, but it has a long way to go #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:38pm @tonyquartararo @mappingmashups That would be great and help in some situations, but still great value in custom, focused maps #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:38pm @gfred3rick We’re having a #geowebchat discussion about #maplift right now. Maybe someone will give you feedback there!

@fixwikimaps Sep 01, 12:39pm What do the folks on #geowebchat think?

@johnjcz Sep 01, 12:41pm Does there have to be any sort of consensus around maps that need fixing / fixed maps for #maplift? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:46pm @johnjcz not really. Its admittedly very subjective. If a map needs help, you’ll know it when you see it! #maplift #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:50pm @johnjcz There’s a lot of maps on wikipedia that need help, so we don’t want to waste #maplift effort on “good enough” maps… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:51pm RT @geo_will: sometimes you don’t know until you use it. Had a map for climbing in Pakistan, it was wrong, looked lovely though #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:52pm @geo_will Good point: most of #MapLift is about correcting style, not always fixing factual error #geowebchat

@pinakographos Sep 01, 12:53pm @johnjcz If the community disagrees, they might revert to the old map, which is fine. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:53pm @geo_will this gets into the topic of “armchair mapping” which we mentioned in the last #geowebchat. And I think maybe next time’s topic.

@johnjcz Sep 01, 12:54pm @mappingmashups That’s why I was curious. Seems like most wikipedia maps are “good enough” ie factually correct but maybe “ugly” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 12:55pm @johnjcz Well, “good enough” should also be a function of usability. If it’s factually correct but unreadable, it needs help. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:00pm Thanks to everyone who joined today’s #geowebchat! Keep working on your #maplift projects, and check out nacis.org/maplift/ this week!

@johnjcz Sep 01, 1:02pm @mappingmashups Does @fixwikimaps have a “why” for maps that need fixing? Curious to see what people deem “not good enough” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:03pm Next chat will be in one month: October 6th, same time. Topic will be “armchair mapping”! Mapping from the comfort of your home! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:04pm @johnjcz @fixwikimaps fixwikimaps.tumblr.com tries to give a “why” about most of the maps that need fixing. #maplift #geowebchat

@AlbinPCLarsson Sep 01, 1:05pm .@fixwikimaps #maplift #geowebchat are you aware of the Commons map template?

Strongly recommend using it :-)

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:09pm @wildlifegisgirl I haven’t done any yet, but we just had a whole #geowebchat about #maplift! #gistribe

@mappingmashups Sep 01, 1:18pm @AlbinPCLarsson @fixwikimaps Is this the template you mean? commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:… #geowebchat

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