#geowebchat transcript, 16 Dec 2014: Top Geo Story of 2014 #topgeostoryof2014

@mappingmashups Dec 13, 8:53am What’s the #topgeostoryof2014? Tweet your votes before Dec 16! Here’s last year’s list for inspiration: mappingmashups.net/2013/12/17/geo… #geowebchat

@wisemana Dec 15, 1:49pm @mappingmashups #topgeostoryof2014 for better or worse, the rise of “X maps to explain Y” articles

@geo_will Dec 15, 2:34pm the rise of small satellites #topgeostoryof2014

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2:37pm Another source of inspiration for your #topgeostoryof2014 voting: re-read the #geowebchat transcripts for this year: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/#20…

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 5:18pm What’s the #topgeostoryof2014? Tweet me your votes! mappingmashups.net/2014/12/15/vot… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 15, 8:00pm Top #geowebchat stories of 2014 are those that don’t mention geoweb: 1. Uber

@re_sieber Dec 15, 8:01pm Top #geowebchat stories of 2014 are those that don’t mention geoweb: 2. Occulus RIft (& intersection of VR & space)

@re_sieber Dec 15, 8:01pm Top #geowebchat stories of 2014 are those that don’t mention geoweb: 3. commercial drones

@almereyda Dec 16, 12:29am My #topgeostoryof2014 is the dawn of @transformap, set out to visualize all alternative economies. #commons #shareconomy #federatedmaps

@neogeografen Dec 16, 8:51am #topgeostoryof2014 is #missingmaps which has attract lots of more women as #osm contributers

@drewdaraabrams Dec 16, 10:44am @mappingmashups a #topgeostoryof2014 in my mind is a Nobel going to 3 neuroscientists for their research on rat spatial behavior and memory

@drewdaraabrams Dec 16, 10:47am @mappingmashups and a non-#topgeostoryof2014: journalists/bloggers claiming hippocampuses and grid cells in rats = human spatial cognition

@re_sieber Dec 16, 10:55am Another potential topstory of 2014 for #geowebchat: location based disaster alert & checkin from fb newsroom.fb.com/news/2014/10/i…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 10:57am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat Hawk vs. drone. Hawk wins youtu.be/AhDG_WBIQgc

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:00am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: enhanced analytics for VGI, eg to do new geodemographics loac.datashine.org.uk/#zoom=14&lat=5…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:05am 2014 topstory for #geowebchat? Volvo’s Sensor Fusion framewk links onbd cameras,radar,lidar,GPS to prevent accidents youtu.be/HVwmYUrfOP0

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:08am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Google blurs faces in Street View including statues marionbalac.com/index.php?/dra…

@NeptisRegions Dec 16, 11:09am Funny! RT @re_sieber: Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Google blurs faces in Street View including statues marionbalac.com/index.php?/dra…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:22am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat Grindr turns off distance option bc of privacy viol. Triangulation reveals exact loc americablog.com/2014/09/gay-gr…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:24am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: 100s of bluetooth beacons inside NYC phone booths track ur smartphone &send LBS ads buzzfeed.com/josephbernstei…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:27am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Tech giants move to prevent wearables from being regulated in US politico.com/story/2014/09/… #quantifiedself

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:29am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: #ProjectLoon, using drones for Internet coverage in rural areas. The pros and cons theglobeandmail.com/technology/dig…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:25am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Almost complete capture of VGI by Computer Science, seen @ #GIScience2014 & geocrowd.eu/workshop_2014/

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:44am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Rise & fall of MonkeyParking blog.sfgate.com/cityinsider/20…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:45am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: 10 year anniversary of #OSM!

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:46am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Google Maps trying to tap into Yelp,FourSq,WeatherChannel,TripAdvisor market google-latlong.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/spend-…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:48am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: The advent of nearables: tiny bluetooth location beacons theverge.com/2014/8/21/6053… #InternetOfThings

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:49am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: IEEE found Google controlled test conditions so driverless car passed driving test spectrum.ieee.org/transportation…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 11:54am And @SteveC declares OSM is ready for prime time RT @re_sieber: Potential #topgeostoryof2014 for #geowebchat: 10 year anniversary of #OSM!

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 11:59am @tonyquartararo @SteveC @re_sieber “prime time” = “navigation ready” stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2014

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:00pm A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: She tried to keep her pregnancy secret from #bigdata but didnt consider loc tracking theguardian.com/world/2014/may…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:01pm A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: taxi cabs vs Uber bbc.com/news/uk-englan…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:01pm Welcome all to our last #geowebchat of the year. We’re counting votes for the #topgeostoryof2014. I’ll collect votes for the next 30min.

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:02pm A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Rich ppl get their houses removed frm Google Street View theguardian.com/technology/201…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:02pm Please use the hashtag #geowebchat in your tweets, but I’ll collect both #geowebchat and #topgeostoryof2014 for the transcript.

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:04pm So @mappingmashups, what are your top 2014 stories vv #geowebchat?

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:04pm @re_sieber I’m trying to remain neutral! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:06pm I saw one vote for microsatellites as the #topgeostoryof2014. Might be too early to see their potential yet. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:06pm Top #geowebchat story of 2014:I’m still surprised big firms, Google, Apple r still struggling to monetize maps (eg Apple’s sm biz registry)

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:08pm I’d like to hope that the recent kerfuffle on the #OSM mailing lists might been seen as a turning point in 2014. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:10pm Another top #geowebchat story: the rise of the #OnDemandEconomy eg w Curbside pando.com/2014/10/06/cur…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:10pm @re_sieber Yes, just when it seemed like pay-for-maps was the standard, CartoDB just upended that recently. #geowebchat

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:12pm #topgeostoryof2014 new kid on the block #mapillary and permission for #osm use – layer via iD editor #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:13pm How about the launch of @TheMissingMaps this year? Humanitarian mapping trying to be proactive not reactive #topgeostoryof2014 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:14pm @neogeografen Oh yes, @mapillary is big news this year. An open data version of Google Street View gains momentum. #geowebchat

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:15pm @mappingmashups @TheMissingMaps was my #1 vote – also because I see more women in these mapping parties #topgeostoryof2014 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:17pm I know that #Maptime was one of the top stories of 2013, but it’s seen explosive growth in 2014. Now ~40 chapters worldwide! #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:17pm Potential #geowebchat topstory: Rampant Lic Plate Reading has police knowing where you’ve been alextimes.com/2014/04/report…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:19pm @re_sieber I didn’t know about #ProjectLoon! What are the other big #drone stories for 2014? 2013 had a lot of drone hype. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:23pm Our 2013 list (mappingmashups.net/2014/12/15/vot…) was product heavy. But what were the big product stories in geo this year? Mapbox Studio? #geowebchat

@erictheise Dec 16, 12:23pm legal efforts to require warrants to access cellphone generated location data, e.g. qub.me/jKHcY5 #topgeostoryof2014 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:24pm Other 2014 geo product news: @mapzen launches an OSM-based app mapzen.com/blog/we-made-a… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2014

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:25pm 2014 geo product news: Free map views on @cartoDB: blog.cartodb.com/no-limits/ #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2014

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:26pm 2014 geo product news: @Telenav Scout app using #OSM, now reporting errors to OSM’s notes feature #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2014

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:27pm @mappingmashups Products this year uMap – made it easy to use serval OSM based design + data layers #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:27pm Possible #geowebchat topstory of 2014 that’s product-based: The rise of storymaps.arcgis.com

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:30pm A topstory in 2014 for #geowebchat: Google acquired Nest to get a piece of the #InternetofThings slate.com/blogs/future_t…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:31pm Has the geoweb been silent about #Ferguson & protests & police violence? Thinking about big news this year missing on our list. #geowebchat

@erictheise Dec 16, 12:33pm wadr to @ecgreb & @mapzen’s app, their work with lidar + osm polygons is more mindblowing mapzen.com/blog/point-clo… #geowebchat

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:33pm Lots of more content for #teachosm and #learnosm websites this year #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:33pm Poss 2014 topstory for #geowebchat that’s industry-based: @stamen made the NYTimes bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/a-m…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:35pm Possible topstory in 2014 #geowebchat: crowdmapping Ebola gcn.com/Articles/2014/…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:39pm .@mappingmashups Mapping Ferguson, police protests mapbox.com/blog/ferguson/ googlemapsmania.blogspot.ca/2014/08/mappin…floatingsheep.org/2014/08/mappin… #geowebchat

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:41pm #topgeostoryof2014 My final vote goes to #missingmaps great work and now also mapping parties in UK,US, France & Belgium #geowebchat

@rockoncali Dec 16, 12:41pm @mappingmashups I read the blog for #topgeostoryof2014 – consider this my vote for @TheMissingMaps :)

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:43pm .@erictheise Also study using OpenStreetMap to reveals four unique city topologies phys.org/news/2014-10-o… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:46pm Okay, here’s the countdown. #10 #topgeostoryof2014 Big corporations moving into the Internet of Things #IOT #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:47pm #9 #topgeostoryof2014 Various geoprivacy stories, but no single outrage-provoking case. Death of privacy by 1000 cuts. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:47pm Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat Disney World Tracks Visitors NSA-Style With Magic Wristbands gawker.com/disney-world-c…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:48pm #8 #topgeostoryof2014 The rising prestige of data journalism, but also glut of “X maps that explain X” listicles. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:50pm #7 #topgeostoryof2014 The rise of Uber and other data-driven transport apps, succeed while pushing ethical boundaries #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:51pm #6 #topgeostoryof2014 The year of microsatellites and commercial space ventures #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:53pm #5 #topgeostoryof2014 The rise of @mapillary, an #opensource/#opendata challenge to Google Street View (+ integration w/ OSM) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:54pm #4 #topgeostoryof2014 #OpenStreetMap Foundation meltdown. Storm in a teacup, or sign of renewed community engagement? We’ll see! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:56pm #3 #topgeostoryof2014 The explosive growth of #maptime! (plus other geo-ed like #learnosm/#teachosm) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:58pm #2 #topgeostoryof2014 Is @openstreetmap’s 10th birthday, & increasing maturity. “Ready for prime time” stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:59pm The #1 #TopGeoStoryOf2014 is launch of @TheMissingMaps. Initiative of @hotosm, @RedCross, & others to map *before* disasters! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 1:01pm Thanks everybody for joining this #geowebchat! Next one is Jan 6th. We’ll be making predictions for 2015, so get your crystal ball ready.

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Vote for the Top Geo Story of 2014: #topgeostoryof2014

For the final #geowebchat of the year (which will be Tuesday, December 16, at 12pm PST), I am collecting your votes for the top news story of the year in the field of geography and geospatial technology. On the 16th I will add up all your votes and post a crowdsourced top 10 list of the biggest geo stories of 2014.

Please send me your votes, either through comments on this blog post, or on twitter using the hashtag #topgeostoryof2014. One vote per person please (but if you must vote for more than one, please rank your votes in order of preference: #1, #2, etc.)

To give you some ideas, here are the top stories you picked for 2013:

The top stories we picked for 2013:

  1. MapBox’s funding and general awesomeness
  2. The release of the iD editor for OpenStreetMap
  3. The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap team’s activation for Typhoon Haiyan/Yolanda
  4. Revelations about NSA #geosurveillance (and other geo-tracking stories)
  5. The year of alternative geo pedagogy: The Penn State maps #MOOC, #mapacademy, #maptime, #mapschool, etc.
  6. Notable successes, failures, & sudden rebirths in #hyperlocal news (@Nextdoor @PatchTweet @everyblock etc)
  7. OpenStreetMap hits 1 million users
  8. Dynamic hillshading by MapBox
  9. Joshua Katz’s dialect maps
  10. The release of QGIS 2.0
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#geowebchat transcript, 2 December 2014: Maps and countermaps of colonization and settlement

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 6:04am Today’s #geowebchat: Maps (& counter-maps) of colonization & settlement. A post-Thanksgiving special. Join us 12pm PST, 3pm EST, 20:00 UTC

@erictheise Dec 02, 11:29am jit for #geowebchat (h/t @undertheraedar) MT @guardiancities architects of apartheid: maps as tools of control gu.com/p/43a8a/stw

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 11:59am Welcome to today’s #geowebchat. Our topic (following last week’s US Thanksgiving holiday) is maps & countermaps of colonization & settlement

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:02pm If you want to follow along with #geowebchat, I suggest trying a tool like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat and include the hashtag in your tweets.

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:02pm If you would rather ignore our hour-long #geowebchat, see if you twitter client has the ability to mute hashtags.

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:04pm @erictheise posted a good #geowebchat link a few minutes ago: theguardian.com/cities/2014/de… …on maps used during apartheid

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:07pm For today’s #geowebchat I’m also curious about maps made to counter colonization or tell another story, like this: bigthink.com/strange-maps/a…

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:08pm #geowebchat we face an issue, a map we coproduced with the Tlingit (try.geolive.ca) has been counter-claimed by an unknown!

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:09pm #geowebchat so a tool designed for counter colonization has in turn been counter claimed!

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:09pm #geowebchat sry that was trt.geolive.ca – autocorrect on twitter?!?!?

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:11pm @joncorbett Fascinating! A problem that may be new to the geoweb! With pre-geoweb maps you generally knew who was making them. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:13pm @joncorbett Do you have examples of what the unknown mapper tried to add? #geowebchat?

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:14pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat absolutely, this counter claim is related to the agency of production. They claim to have made the map…

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:17pm @joncorbett Oh, interesting. Having or claiming a map of something is valuable in itself. A colonization of representation. #geowebchat

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:17pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat happened this morning – claim was made through a blog post, don’t know info added to uhe map looking into this!

@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:19pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat counter-counter mapping – very Pythonesque…

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:20pm @joncorbett And it’s not related to the hijacking of @SaveWiyabi? hyperallergic.com/139769/native-… #geowebchat

@mattdance Dec 02, 12:20pm @mappingmashups I love the Inuit Heritage Trust place name project of Nunavut: ihti.ca/eng/place-name…


@joncorbett Dec 02, 12:22pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat interesting example… Hadn’t seen that.

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:24pm @mattdance Very interesting that you have to click through an agreement to see the maps. Emphasizes the sensitivity of mapping. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:26pm @mattdance But I thought it was this inuit map you were referring to: paninuittrails.org Different, but beautiful #geowebchat

@tolomaps Dec 02, 12:27pm @mappingmashups Have you seen Margaret Pearce’s map, “They Would Not Take Me There”? umaine.edu/canam/publicat… #geowebchat

@mattdance Dec 02, 12:28pm @mappingmashups We’re in the preliminary stages for a similar AB based project. I’m learning that trust and credibility are key. #geowebchat

@tolomaps Dec 02, 12:28pm @mappingmashups “these maps are silent with regard to the Indigenous geographies through which Champlain moved” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:30pm .@tolomaps Yes, I recently bought one for @stamen! I love how that map handles language and narrative. instagram.com/p/uQ54Nnqqhz/ #geowebchat

@undertheraedar Dec 02, 12:33pm @erictheise relevant to #geowebchat @andywightman (author of The Poor Had no Lawyers) and his ‘Who owns Scotland’ map whoownsscotland.org.uk/geo/index.htm#…

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:36pm @tolomaps The challenge with anti-colonial maps is that all our mapping tools include assumptions about what is mappable and how #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:37pm @tolomaps Still don’t have good ways to map uncertainty, fluid boundaries…. Western perspective in maps requires solid lines. #geowebchat

@erictheise Dec 02, 12:40pm irony re: that map, @undertheraedar, is that the question seems to be “who owns scotland’s data?”! #paywall /cc @andywightman #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:41pm Mapping pre-contact Americas you get odd maps like this: npr.org/blogs/codeswit… or guesses at boundaries that never match #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 Dec 02, 12:43pm Russia using maps to stake their claim to Crimea applicable to this #geowebchat? stevecoast.com/2014/03/02/ukr… geographictravels.com/2014/03/yandex…

@mhaklay Dec 02, 12:46pm Can’t stay for long, but a q framing: isn’t the terminology of ‘counter’ marginalize the mappers before even getting started? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:47pm @mpmckenna8 I hadn’t seen that @SteveC post: maps can present land as more/less colonizable (Crimea as peninsula or as island) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:50pm @mhaklay Good point. Depends on audience. But I wonder if the marginalized would already mistrust “maps” w/out the “counter-”? #geowebchat

@mhaklay Dec 02, 12:51pm @mappingmashups also good point – ondeed, I’ve just heard that the word research can be mistrusted #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:51pm MT @Elijah_Meeks: Mercator as imperial master–reminds me of Hawk Puma’s map territories.indigenousknowledge.org/exhibit-2/3. pic.twitter.com/Cn0wxDeDhk #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 02, 12:56pm Possibly of relevance to #geowebchat Can Hi-Tech mapping technology protect traditional land? environment.yale.edu/blog/2014/12/c…

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 12:57pm For a fascinating history of an indigenous map used during a land claims trial, read “A Map that Roared” faculty.washington.edu/sparke/A%20Map… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 1:00pm We’ve reached the end of our hour on #geowebchat. Thanks everyone for joining & listening! Transcript here soon: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@mappingmashups Dec 02, 1:02pm Next #geowebchat will be Dec 16, our last of the year. Send me your votes for the #TopGeoStoryof2014 and we’ll do a countdown.

@re_sieber Dec 02, 1:03pm For those interested in legal implications vv use of indigenous mapping, geoweb, see @TenilleEBrown’s PhD research #geowebchat

@C_Schreyer Dec 02, 1:33pm Look up #geowebchat for info about decolonization & mapping, including @joncorbett comments on trt.geolive.ca map, recently co-opted

@tolomaps Dec 02, 2:54pm @mappingmashups so true, mapping uncertainty is certainly a cartographic conundrum. sorry i left the #geowebchat, had a meeting!

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#geowebchat transcript, 18 November 2014: Diversity on the geoweb part 2

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 10:41am Today on #geowebchat (special time: 2pm PST 5pm EST) part 2 of our diversity discussion: mappingmashups.net/2014/11/04/geo… Everyone welcome!

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 2:01pm I’m here! #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:05pm Is it time to begin? @JessiBreen @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:05pm Welcome to #geowebchat everyone! This special time is throwing me off, too!

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:06pm Every time is special with #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:06pm Last time on #geowebchat we had @alogicalfallacy and @JessiBreen lead a chat about diversity of geoweb research: mappingmashups.net/2014/11/04/geo…

@erictheise Nov 18, 2:06pm more distracted than usual today (prepping for a @gisday talk tomorrow) but keeping an eye on #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:07pm In the prev #geowebchat we talked about gender balance in #geoweb research, but this time we wanted to talk about other kinds of difference.

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:07pm @mappingmashups Hi all! First time on #geowebchat (although I read transcripts occasionally)

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:08pm Joining #geowebchat re diversity – part 2

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:10pm I hope this #geowebchat silence is indicative of ppl reading last time’s transcript! But even if you haven’t read it, please join in!

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:11pm It’s also a hard topic to broach, so perhaps I can begin with a sincere, but necessarily problematic, question: #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:11pm I’ve scanned through the diversity part 1 transcript – really interesting convo! #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:11pm Quite honestly, is there anyone who doesn’t identify as white participating in #geowebchat today?

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:13pm @mappingmashups
I notice things like what3words.com that are offered as global solutions often very west/English focus #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:13pm @alogicalfallacy I am pretty much the eternal unicorn in these kinds of discussions – queer, indigenous, female-id’d #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:13pm 1 #geowebchat Q: does focus on improving gender balance make space for other diversity efforts? Can one kind of diversity stand in for all?

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:14pm @ZDFrieda @alogicalfallacy Welcome unicorn! #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Nov 18, 2:15pm @bondaharper Yes, and here’s a solution that uses numbers. Much more universal: quickfindnumbers.com/get-your-quick… #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:15pm @mappingmashups diversity begets diversity. Supportive environments (like Maptime!) seem to be more diverse than formal groups #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:16pm I admire pipeline orgs diversifying tech along many diff lines & would <3 if GIS/mapping communities had similar initiatives #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:16pm @bondaharper @mappingmashups Maptime also has a lower barrier for entry (just showing up) than, say, a lot of research labs. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:17pm @ZDFrieda Do you see any immediate openings as to how? I’m unfamiliar with pipeline orgs. #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:18pm Maptime is great! As w/other areas of tech, tho, imho diversity really begins with *who* is in the founder’s group/convos #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:18pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups good point. I think low barrier of entry is good for building interest (just not for hiring) #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:20pm @bondaharper @mappingmashups I’d agree! And you also have to start somewhere. I also agree with @ZDFrieda that it’s abt framers #geowebchat

@mapperz Nov 18, 2:20pm @mappingmashups 50/50 in GIS at work #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:20pm @alogicalfallacy Pipeline orgs like @BlackGirlsCode develop tech with/for marginalized communities as part of their core mission #geowebchat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:21pm #geowebchat where you hold meetings and how you spread the word also matters for diversity in events.

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:21pm @mappingmashups #GeoWebChat Was there any chat last time about ‘other than grass roots’ ways to encourage different diversities in Geo?

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:22pm @mapperz 50/50 gender balance? #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:22pm @BobGradeck yes! I have found transit accessible helps a lot to get a more diverse group (both economic and race) #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:22pm @AngharadStone @mappingmashups Not that I recall, can you expand on ‘other than grass roots’? #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:22pm @alogicalfallacy Nope but I am female (do I get a point?!) #GeoWebChat

@erictheise Nov 18, 2:24pm worth mentioning, @ZDFrieda, is conference outreach via travel scholarships, e.g., @sotmus & @foss4g (particularly @RhoBott) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:24pm @mapperz Does your workplace have any initiatives in place that resulted in successful workplace diversity? Or was it luck? #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:24pm Agreed, @BobGradeck! Hack/maker spaces for women and people of color in/near SF are also great spaces for + diversity at events #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:26pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups Grass roots – Early interest (school years) have a high impact on life/career choices later #GeoWebChat

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:27pm clearly my preoccupation, but how GIS is taught in higher ed (labs, examples, projects) seems like a place for intervention #geowebchat

@mapperz Nov 18, 2:27pm @mappingmashups it works & diversity in Canada is widely known & work has good diversity across the company #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:28pm @avatarr8 Makes sense to me. Seems like a good chance to engage people from different cultures via what projects/data are used. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:29pm The M.S. @bricker and I run is fairly imbalanced this year. I’m hopeful for it to get better, but I worry that level is too late #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:29pm It’s also worth noting ‘geoweb’ is an english term; our conversations are in english; our tech is, etc… #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:30pm @avatarr8 I would change that engagement is needed earlier than higher ed – engage the possibilities of geog and it #GeoWebChat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:31pm @AngharadStone @avatarr8 This parallels some conversation from last time – for many of us, we discovered ‘geoweb’ in higher ed #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:32pm @avatarr8 @bondaharper yes, the entire K-grad education system seems ripe for reform re diversity in STEM related subjects #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:32pm I JUST wrote a blog post on this (bit.ly/geo-edu), but academia could be more honest about the field and prepare better. #geowebchat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:32pm @ZDFrieda #geowebchat holding events in marginalized communities a great way to get people out of their comfort zone

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:33pm @AngharadStone for sure! at all levels! we have a lot more autonomy at the university level though #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:33pm @ZDFrieda @avatarr8 @bondaharper sorry what is K-grad? #GeoWebChat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:33pm @alogicalfallacy @AngharadStone @avatarr8 This approach might exclude those who have higher challenges in accessing higher ed #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:33pm Some folks in #maptime have been talking about economics, how we ask attendees to bring laptops, does that leave people out? #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:34pm @AngharadStone @avatarr8 @bondaharper Shorthand for kindergarden through grad school #geowebchat

@erictheise Nov 18, 2:34pm think we’re okay on ‘geoweb’, @alogicalfallacy. #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/eBQAWs2YpB

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:35pm .@alogicalfallacy Right, English is the lingua franca in the tech world _and_ in academia. And, mostly, in #maptime… so far. #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:36pm @lyzidiamond yes. especially younger people I imagine. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:36pm .@alogicalfallacy Although some of our best geoweb scholars (say, @Geodoc31 for example) work in other languages too. #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:37pm @lyzidiamond I would say so – Android mapping might be easier in terms of device access for marginalized folks #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:37pm .@ZDFrieda Or, we could host #maptime events in public libraries! #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:39pm @mappingmashups @alogicalfallacy I do see a lot of resources for thing like QGIS in other languages, but not so much web/server #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:40pm As an aside while we’re talking about English dominance on #geowebchat, a link to the Simple English @Wikipedia: simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:40pm Without trying to sound like a curmudgeon, I’m a hesitant to embrace @lyzidiamond’s seeming espousal of “Maptime” as solution. #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:40pm @alogicalfallacy A solution to what? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:42pm @lyzidiamond Blog post suggests bringing into classrom, tweets today tout it, etc. It’s cool, you promote it. I’m more hesitant. #geowebchat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:42pm @alogicalfallacy Have you ever been? What are your qualms? #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:43pm @avatarr8 @lyzidiamond I think encouraging sharing laptops helps. Also use of whiteboards is great for collaboration #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:44pm @alogicalfallacy @lyzidiamond agreed, do map workshops in schools and already have 14yr olds telling me they “can’t do maps” #GeoWebChat

@lyzidiamond Nov 18, 2:44pm @sadbumblebee @ZDFrieda This is a common thing we talk about in @codeforamerica, particularly reaching vulnerable populations #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:44pm curious if those who’ve been at this longer see change in people mapping w/tech moves online (away from expensive GIS licenses?) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:45pm RT @drewdaraabrams: I assume a whole lot of OSM work happens in German and I’m completely unaware of it #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Nov 18, 2:45pm Ensure labels in other languages aren’t empty boxes by using a typeface that supports many character sets #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/hO9OneQjGm

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:46pm @mappingmashups @drewdaraabrams It does. I was just looking for some german colleague’s twitter accounts. Couldn’t find them sad #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:47pm @avatarr8 Strangely no, most FOSS things I have been to are VERY white male dominated “bedroom” programmers #GeoWebChat

@Taconic_Musings Nov 18, 2:47pm @AngharadStone @alogicalfallacy @lyzidiamond the Finnish apparently agree with @lyzidiamond #GeoWebChat innovativelearning.co.uk/2014/11/11/fin…

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:48pm @Taconic_Musings @AngharadStone @lyzidiamond @lyzidiamond Who would disagree with that? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:48pm @AngharadStone @avatarr8 But as @bondaharper points out, many of those FOSS nerds are working in other languages. #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:48pm @avatarr8 definitely on economic side. I’ve seen students with few resources put together impressive apps/web tools. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:49pm @lyzidiamond No qualms, it’s great. I’m simply not ready to promote it as a fix to endemic, structural issues. #geowebchat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:49pm #geowebchat curious to know what technology or approaches are best for visually impaired.

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:49pm @AngharadStone interesting. I know 1 critique of things like PPGIS was always how expensive/inaccessible the tech was. #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 2:50pm Diversities mentioned so far – gender, age, economic, education, language, abilism – race hasn’t featured very much in #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:51pm @Taconic_Musings @alogicalfallacy @lyzidiamond I am thrill that UK edu now has demonstration of GIS in learning age 11 to 18 #GeoWebChat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:51pm @BobGradeck Very good question. @accessgeo and I talked about that a few times at @MaptimeSF. Need maps be inherently visual? #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:51pm @BobGradeck for getting those groups interested in geo or to serve them better? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:51pm @ZDFrieda It’s a difficult topic to tackle. I tried to prompt it earlier, but drifted away #elephantintheroom #geowebchat

@drewdaraabrams Nov 18, 2:52pm @BobGradeck a friend of mine runs a lab at UMaine researching geo-tech for blind and visually impaired: vemilab.us #geowebchat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:53pm @alogicalfallacy @lyzidiamond those approaches can help open eyes to value of different models and organize those seeking change #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:53pm Where is @JessiBreen by the way? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 2:54pm @alogicalfallacy I’m right here! #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 2:54pm @alogicalfallacy @ZDFrieda @mappingmashups While we are talking about difference – it’s the middle of night over here! #GeoWebChat

@BobGradeck Nov 18, 2:54pm @bondaharper serve them better. Have a friend I’d like to work with more effectively but he is losing his vision #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:55pm @alogicalfallacy @ZDFrieda I think mentors from a similar background help a lot to engage various races/cultures #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 2:55pm @AngharadStone @alogicalfallacy @ZDFrieda @mappingmashups My fault! I have class during the regular time. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:56pm @bondaharper @ZDFrieda I’d agree – but how do you find the mentors? It’s a chicken and egg thing in some sense. :( #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 2:56pm @ZDFrieda mhm. where I was starting to go with PPGIS. lots of maps of communities of color being made. produced from/by them? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:57pm @BobGradeck @bondaharper I have been recently *looking* at Braille maps, but I know very little about them. Intriguing quesiton #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Nov 18, 2:58pm I just had a question about metric units in QGIS. Someone wants to know if there’s a QGIS with imperial units #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 2:58pm We’re approaching 3 pm PST, by the by. I’ll be around for a bit more, though. Have to finish this beer. #geowebchat

@bondaharper Nov 18, 2:59pm @alogicalfallacy @ZDFrieda also, my view may be skewed coming from a big/multicultural city. Harder in small cities #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 2:59pm .@alogicalfallacy Yup, we’re getting close to the end of this #geowebchat. But certainly not the last time we’ll engage with this topic.

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 3:00pm @bondaharper @ZDFrieda Completely. Most of my students are first-gen college, but mostly white and male. Small city #geowebchat

@ZDFrieda Nov 18, 3:01pm Maybe next diversity #geowebchat we can invite women/POC/LGBTQ centered pipeline orgs in to join us before it begins :)

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:01pm I’m open to suggestions for best way to continue our #geowebchat diversity chat. What framing is most useful? How should we ask these Qs?

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 3:01pm @ZDFriedaThat would be awesome! #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 18, 3:02pm I’m off to the bike shop. Great #geowebchat!

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 3:03pm @mappingmashups Honestly, the ability to have more than 140 characters would make me really happy. :D #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:03pm @ZDFrieda Absolutely. I am usually quite bad about pre-inviting relevant people to most of our topics. :( #geowebchat

@kerynnisa Nov 18, 3:03pm @alogicalfallacy I’m Southeast Asian (so I guess I’m brown?). Was introduced to GIS by a white prof back home… #geowebchat (1/2)

@bondaharper Nov 18, 3:03pm @PetersonGIS sounds like they come from a CAD background. I’ve got 2 icons for AutoCAD (imperial and metric) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:04pm .@alogicalfallacy Yes, twitter is not ideal for these discussions. Where should this conversation happen? Where can we redirect? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:06pm Also, for the next #geowebchat (Dec 2) we will switch back to regular time 12pm (PST), which is better for Europe & West Africa. Sorry Asia.

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 3:07pm @mappingmashups @alogicalfallacy I agree 140 char is not good BUT I would never have found #GeoWebChat if wasn’t on Twitter

@avatarr8 Nov 18, 3:07pm @alogicalfallacy @mappingmashups more like 129 #geowebchat takes ups 11 already.

@spara Nov 18, 3:08pm @mappingmashups There’s a general lack of diversity of map topics, most seem to come from public data. No microlevel studies #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:10pm .@opendna @alogicalfallacy There is a geoweb @zotero group! zotero.org/groups/geoweb/ Has lots of critical/social stuff in there. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:12pm For longer-form geoweb discussions, we could use the geoweb-r mailing list: groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/… #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 18, 3:12pm @AngharadStone @mappingmashups Perhaps it’s just my tendency towards ponderously long sentences that makes 140 chars so daunting #geowebchat

@freyfogle Nov 18, 3:20pm @bondaharper @mappingmashups not to jump in, but w3w is available in 20+ languages including many non-Western languages #geowebchat

@AngharadStone Nov 18, 3:20pm #GeoWebChat Right I’m off to bed – Happy #GISDay everyone!

@prestonrhea Nov 18, 3:21pm @lyzidiamond @sadbumblebee @ZDFrieda @codeforamerica try this cool #discotech exercise secure.flickr.com/photos/preston… by @geoffhing #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 3:30pm Ouch! MT @JeremyCrampton: Eval by grad student 2 yrs ago. [...] It’s unflattering <gulp> but what we hear pic.twitter.com/PsZX3vtW9r #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 18, 5:23pm RT @OpenCCE: This is a question to raise at #Tchat tomorrow, 7pm! @geog_design @mapperz #Tchat @WPDiversity #DiversityIsStrength #geowebchat

@aimandel Nov 18, 10:39pm @PetersonGIS Any particular Imperial? 1.Project Properties has Feet, Nautical Miles, 2.#QGIS measures in set CRS/SRS/Proj units #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 20, 1:36pm #geowebchat in re: diversity in geoweb, @AustinSeraphin @jamestyack make the point that visualizations should include text for vis impaired

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#geowebchat transcript, 4 November 2014: Diversity of those studying and doing the Geoweb

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 8:23am Today on #geowebchat: Diversity and the Geoweb, with @JessiBreen & @alogicalfallacy: mappingmashups.net/2014/10/31/nex… Special time: 2pm PST, 5pm EST

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 1:44pm Sprinting to West Sixth ahead of the start of #geowebchat!

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 1:53pm @JessiBreen Well, if you’re going to be at West Sixth… I’m heading to the Swiss. Let’s do this. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:01pm It’s 2:00. Should I or @JessiBreen say a few things to start this out? I’m actually most interested in what other have to say #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:02pm Hit it, @alogicalfallacy! #geowebchat

@erictheise Nov 04, 2:03pm i’d welcome some introductory remarks, @JessiBreen & @alogicalfallacy. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:03pm I suppose, I really just wanted to bring into the open that as much as we must (and are) aware of gaps in data, there’s also … #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:04pm Issues with *who* is studying this and what that entails for what questions are asked and how we ask them. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:04pm It can be hard – as a big white dude form the suburbs – to ask this question without devolving into that useless ‘hand-wringing’ #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:05pm I’m hoping we can generate a discussion on how we can avoid exclusion in the field and encourage multiple voices. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:05pm @JessiBreen – any thoughts to add? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:07pm .@alogicalfallacy Kind of a funny question, at least it is for me, since the “who” of the geoweb is so prominent in scholarship. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:07pm @JessiBreen Well, that’s what I mean. We talk about who constitutes the data, but not always about who does the research. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:09pm .@alogicalfallacy It’s honestly a topic I hadn’t really considered until you brought it up, but it seems obvious. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:11pm Yeah, I mean @geographiliac has done some (excellent) work on related topics. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:12pm So, who is here for #geowebchat?

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 2:13pm @JessiBreen @alogicalfallacy do you feel there are dimensions of geoweb limiting diversity beyond the bigger issues of tech #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:13pm Hi @JessiBreen and @alogicalfallacy I’m here in #geowebchat I just haven’t had anything useful to add yet

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:14pm .@avatarr8 That’s sort of the tricky question, right? I’m not sure I have any better answer than the folks at OSM offer. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:15pm @avatarr8 @JessiBreen That’s part of what bothers me – as we head towards ‘tech’ do we all become tech-bros? I’d prefer not. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:15pm I don’t feel like I’m being actively limited from the discussion on the geoweb, in fact quite the opposite. But… #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:15pm I do notice that there aren’t usually a whole lot of women around. At least not nearly as many as there are men. #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 2:17pm i know the context of the academic discipline of geography, where to me, it seems white men are steered towards computation #geowebchat …

@erictheise Nov 04, 2:17pm fashionable to bring up detroit geographical expedition (qub.me/oCWbpt) but does that model translate to geoweb? #geowebchat

@MapGoddess Nov 04, 2:18pm @JessiBreen *lurking* #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:18pm @erictheise or even some of the excellent work done in PPGIS in the past… #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:18pm @erictheise I have no idea how we would translate that to the geoweb, but I like it! #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 2:18pm ..and its assumed women and people of color will do more qualitative, ethnographic work. Though obviously not universally. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:20pm @avatarr8 I come from a very human department, so that’s not my personal experience, but that is what AAG looks like. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:21pm it sounds like a convergence of effects from the tech community’s gender exclusion and geography’s gendered division.. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:21pm are those two separate factors #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:22pm @_C_Davis It’s an interesting idea, certainly. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:22pm @_C_Davis So last GWC had a discussion on pragmatic vs. esoteric, applied vs. theory, etc. But, diversity issue present in both. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:23pm @JessiBreen do you see the same humaneness extend to undergrad’s headed to professional positions (not meant as loaded question) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:24pm @_C_Davis Not sure I understand the question. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:24pm @alogicalfallacy right, but i wonder if with two distinct factors there are multiple available strategies to intervene #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 2:25pm @JessiBreen At least in critical geoweb research, there are lots of important women publishing key works. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:25pm @JessiBreen you were saying that given the human geog focus of the dept, that you haven’t felt a channeling toward qual/eth work #geowebchat

@erictheise Nov 04, 2:26pm mobile tech should enable community data gathering, lead to action & research, @JessiBreen, subversive use for @AmigoCloud app #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:26pm @JessiBreen I wondered if that support for women in geoweb was as present for undergrads not headed toward academe #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:27pm @_C_Davis My perspective on the undergrads is skewed. I teach GIS. :) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 2:28pm @JessiBreen At risk of leaving some out: @re_sieber @agaleszczynski @geographiliac N. Schuurman, M-P Kwan, S. Elwood, W. Lin. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:29pm @JessiBreen =) fair. others, do we equally suggest to young women in our departments that they pursue prof geoweb positions? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:29pm In the MS program @bricker and I have, we have 4 students who aren’t white-men out of 16. Most are first gen college, though. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:29pm @mappingmashups I couldn’t pull up enough of their Twitter handles to do it justice. #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:30pm @mappingmashups I think you’re well right about key figures, but I think there is a big gender gap amongst non-key figures #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:31pm @mappingmashups That’s the thing. I don’t see the geoweb field excluding women and minorities… #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:31pm @JessiBreen @mappingmashups Definitely not ‘exclude,’ but I do see a shift happening as we go more tech-y. #geowebchat

@BNKetti Nov 04, 2:31pm @MapGoddess @JessiBreen also lurking #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:31pm …There just aren’t an equality of numbers. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:32pm @JessiBreen @mappingmashups Not quite said right. I guess I just have a worry we get subsumed into larger SV cultural problems. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:33pm @_C_Davis @mappingmashups Right! I have excellent role models to look up to, but not a lot of colleagues at my level. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:34pm @_C_Davis @mappingmashups That was stated poorly, not a lot of colleagues at my level who aren’t white men. #geowebchat

@bricker Nov 04, 2:35pm #geowebchat this blog post is relevant to this discussion. replace GoPro with ArcGIS and Polaroid cube with mapbox? victoriakirst.com/?p=1852

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:37pm @bricker so, how do we ‘sell’ it better? #geowebchat

@hamhandedly Nov 04, 2:37pm I wonder if the gendered divide in some tech circles (boxing women into design rather than dev) is also happening in geoweb #geowebchat

@hamhandedly Nov 04, 2:38pm Oh and hey everybody #firsttimecallerlongtimelurker #geowebchat

@bricker Nov 04, 2:38pm @alogicalfallacy #geowebchat how was it sold to you? Or was it?

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 2:38pm @alogicalfallacy “Subsumed into SV cultural probs”.. you mean as demographics of geoweb research mirrors that of geoweb makers? #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:39pm @hamhandedly That women work in crit GIS instead of more technical parts of the field? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:40pm @mappingmashups Sort of. Comes in part from discn at last GWC about shifting composition of GWC itself. who we are, what we do. #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 2:40pm Isn’t the future bright? At least you have goldieblox.com in the US. Start at the root. At uni level its too late #geowebchat

@hamhandedly Nov 04, 2:41pm @JessiBreen that and cartographic design #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:41pm @bricker I came from industry cuz I thought iPhones were neat and capitalism was bad. Not sure I was ‘sold’ geoweb specifically. #geowebchat

@bricker Nov 04, 2:41pm @alogicalfallacy #geowebchat @geographiliac work displayed how male “needs” are mapped. Frame how needs can be met with map to “sell” it.

@bricker Nov 04, 2:42pm @alogicalfallacy #geowebchat Did anyone grow up knowing they were going to be a geographer/geoweb person when they grew up?

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:42pm @eknalprev So it’s a larger problem of a shortage of women in STEM? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:43pm @bricker @CraigMDalton did. Just ask him. :) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:43pm @bricker @alogicalfallacy Ha! No. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:46pm @JessiBreen @bricker But seriously, we’re a relatively new sub-field/tribe/whatever, due to tech, etc. Why pertinent to ask now. #geowebchat

@bricker Nov 04, 2:46pm @eknalprev #geowebchat I don’t think university level is too late! (that’s when I found GIS! or GIS found me?) @frostburgstate

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:46pm @bricker which begs a question of who we recruit from where (intellectual domains) and also who/how we retain/promote/encourage #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:47pm @bricker Now you’ve got me picturing my colleagues as very nerdy children. Born geographers! :) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:48pm @bricker @alogicalfallacy Didn’t know I was a geographer until it was pointed out that what I studied wasn’t poli sci. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:48pm @bricker @eknalprev @frostburgstate We’ve talked a bit about this, so I’m setting @bricker up, but how were you ‘sold’ geoweb? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:50pm So, if it’s about how we ‘find’ geoweb, is that changing and does it matter if it does? #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 2:50pm @bricker @JessiBreen GIS is tech and geoweb follows the demographic of tech. I don’t see the niche 4 geo. #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 2:52pm wonder if as true in other disciplines/fields: planning and sciences that use a lot of GIS seem more diverse, but not as in to #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:52pm @eknalprev @bricker @JessiBreen What do you mean by “niche 4 geo?” #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 2:53pm @alogicalfallacy @bricker @JessiBreen whether geoweb has a different gender imbalance then elsewhere in tech. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:54pm @eknalprev @alogicalfallacy @bricker That’s an interesting question. I see a survey coming… #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:54pm @eknalprev @bricker @JessiBreen but GIS isn’t only tech; it’s tech and theory, which brings additional problems & interventions #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:56pm @_C_Davis @eknalprev @bricker But GIS is also gateway to maps! Is there research that liking maps as a kid is gendered? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 2:56pm Anyone with exciting final thoughts? I do like the idea of a survey @JessiBreen #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:57pm @foszterface #geowebchat with an @WestSixth IPA. It’s been nice!

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 2:58pm quick plug for AAG session looking at some of this: /Social Justice and GIS: Past, Present, and Future/ I can forward details #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:58pm @alogicalfallacy Uh oh. Did I just volunteer to do more work?!? @mattzook is gonna kill me. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 2:58pm @alogicalfallacy @JessiBreen There’s the research about sex diffs in spatial cognition, but not “liking maps as a kid” I think #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 2:58pm @_C_Davis geoweb & GIS have a whiff of coding/ modelling which apparently scares girls that did not grow up with goldiblox :) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:59pm @mappingmashups @alogicalfallacy I took GIS in grad school due to an unhealthy fascination with Nat Geo maps as a kid. #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 2:59pm @eknalprev @_C_Davis Meh. Not sure I buy that. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:00pm @eknalprev @_C_Davis Geoweb & GIS have /been designed with/ a whiff of coding/modelling… #geowebchat

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 3:00pm interested that we talked mostly about gender (important!), w/out much on other forms of difference in geoweb. maybe for future #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:00pm @eknalprev @_C_Davis … which apparently scares girls /who have been told growing up to think that they’re not good at it/ #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 3:01pm @JessiBreen – any closing thoughts? #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 3:01pm @mappingmashups @eknalprev or encourages instructors not to give women their due support in pursuing them. #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 3:01pm Well first off, thanks everyone! Including all you lurkers out there. :) #geowebchat

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 3:02pm @avatarr8 I’ll take the blame there. Should have been more broad. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:02pm @avatarr8 Indeed. Lack of other kinds of diversity & difference is at least as bad in #geoweb making and geoweb research #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 3:02pm @avatarr8 next time? #geowebchat

@alogicalfallacy Nov 04, 3:02pm @JessiBreen @avatarr8 I don’t think it’s ‘blame,’ just an interesting aspect. Can’t do everything in an hour. :) #geowebchat

@MapGoddess Nov 04, 3:03pm .#geowebchat plug for Feminist Geography Conference: venue for further discussion? www4.uwm.edu/letsci/confere…

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 3:03pm Geoweb! Woot! #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 3:03pm @mappingmashups right so. Despite good efforts we’re still fighting old fashioned role models. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:04pm @JessiBreen @alogicalfallacy Do we want to return to this topic at next #geowebchat? Maybe take on “diversity beyond gender” or something?

@JessiBreen Nov 04, 3:04pm @mappingmashups @alogicalfallacy We could do that! Ok, gotta go work on bikes! Thanks everybody! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:05pm Also, #geowebchat attendees, what do you think about this different time? Better for you? I know it’s getting late in Europe…

@avatarr8 Nov 04, 3:05pm thanks @JessiBreen and @alogicalfallacy for hosting #geowebchat !

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 3:05pm @JessiBreen fun! thanks for organizing! (and @alogicalfallacy) #geowebchat

@_C_Davis Nov 04, 3:06pm @mappingmashups Less good for me, but not prohibitive #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Nov 04, 3:06pm Yes, thanks so much to @alogicalfallacy and @JessiBreen for guest hosting! #geowebchat

@eknalprev Nov 04, 3:06pm Thanks #geowebchat next time at the old time slot please this was way past my bed-time-zone :)

@erictheise Nov 04, 3:14pm prefer usual time, @mappingmashups; pavlovian thoughts of #geowebchat when sf’s air raid siren sounds, & lunchtime’s generally clear.

@agaleszczynski Nov 04, 11:06pm #geowebchat is at 10pm for me so too late to join in but my reflection is that this onus on counting how many women we have misses the point

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