@mappingmashups Today on #geowebchat: how can newbies contribute meaningfully to #CrisisMapping? Join us 12pm PDT (Tue May 5) More: gis.blog.ryerson.ca/2015/05/04/not…
@erikfriesen @mappingmashups perfect timing! Going to be helping some newbies @SMU get started w crisis mapping tonight #geowebchat
@mappingmashups Today’s #geowebchat: Humanitarian mapping & #NepalEarthquake: Join us at 12pm PT, 19:00 UTC, Tue May 5. #Map4Nepal #EqResponseNp cc @hotosm
@RussellDeffner Looking forward to the #geowebchat regarding mapping for #NepalEarthquake I am part of the wonderfully amazing @hotosm community.
@mappingmashups @danielpunkass Hey Daniel, we’re about to have a twitter chat about newbies & Nepal mapping. Maybe join & share your experience? #geowebchat
@mappingmashups #gistribe: you may want to join our #geowebchat about Nepal humanitarian mapping, starting in a few minutes…
@mappingmashups Hi everyone! Welcome to our monthly #geowebchat. We’re talking about humanitarian mapping in Nepal: how can newbies contribute productively?
@jgVisov Hello! RT @mappingmashups #gistribe: you may want to join our #geowebchat about Nepal humanitarian mapping, starting in a few minutes…
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@mappingmashups .@jgVisov Welcome to #geowebchat! As we get started, who has experience to share either leading or participating in #Map4Nepal mapathons?
@mappingmashups To get the discussion started, @ClausRinner wrote this blog post about his experiences: gis.blog.ryerson.ca/2015/05/04/not… #geowebchat
@neogeografen Some stats about newbies in Nepal mapping osm.townsendjennings.com/nepal/ #geowebchat “2,876 of these mappers are new to OpenStreetMap”
@mappingmashups A lot of #maptime chapters have held @hotosm #Map4Nepal mapathons in the last week, anyone attend one of those? #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups Thanks for inviting me. As a newbie trying to get into it, basic mapping skills are well covered. Issues seem #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @neogeografen Good point. Many people are new to OSM in general, not just @hotosm tasks. Are HOT tasks a good intro to OSM? #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups Naively going to the OSMTM many of the tasks listed state they are suited for advanced mappers. Hard to find #geowebchat
@bondaharper @mappingmashups Hi all! We had a Nepal mapathon at work. All were new to OSM except myself and leader. #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups appropriate starter tasks that a newb would feel comfortable doing, and know it’s being done right. #geowebchat
@bondaharper @mappingmashups Newbies seem to want to do it right. Helps to sit with an experienced user and watch for awhile #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @danielpunkass Because @ClausRinner’s experience was similar: his group had lots of GIS experience, but less OSM experience #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups A little of both, I had some basic understanding of mapping tech, intros filled gaps. Hangup is getting to work. #geowebchat
@Enock4seth Starting with OSM is sometimes difficult though, but they first should get to know how stuffs work. #geowebchat twitter.com/mappingmashups…
@neogeografen @mappingmashups HOT TM learning on your own not good (lots of GIS lingo like TMS)- mapping parties is the way to go #geowebchat @hotosm
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups Something e.g. Mechanical Turk jobs tend to do well is show one clear example of a successful task execution. #geowebchat
@RalphAytoun1 #geowebchat @TheMissingMaps Newbies have already making significant contribution in Nepal via HOT Tasking Manager.
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups In the case e.g. of “random task” failure, it may be because there are no undone tiles left. But that’s common. #geowebchat
@RussellDeffner I participated in the DC Maptime event last Friday – I think there was over 100 people and we crippled the wifi :) #geowebchat
@skorasaurus HOT shows tangible benefit to new ppl, though Nepal is harder than others (elevation, poor aerial imagery) #geowebchat
@steviejrich @mappingmashups A few friendly “How tos…” on youtube would be good. Mind, I haven’t checked… #geowebchat
@bondaharper @neogeografen @mappingmashups @hotosm I agree mapping parties are best. It helps to have a screen everyone can see for a demo #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups Currently the OSMTM tasks page is geared towards experienced mappers. Would be better to gear towards newbs. #geowebchat
@skorasaurus @steviejrich @mappingmashups gifs would be awesome too #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups With the assumption that experienced mappers already know how to navigate the site and get to useful jobs #geowebchat
@neogeografen regarding mapping parties is the same & same ppl again & again who is host/educators – ppl running tired #geowebchat new fresh ppl needed
@mappingmashups @skorasaurus @steviejrich The @MapGive videos are nice for super-beginners, but they don’t get into @hotosm specifics, just #osm #geowebchat
@RussellDeffner If you have not visited yet, I suggest working through some of the training modules at learnosm.org #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups Also one of the first things I tried was to “Sort By” experience. Provide a filter for newb-friendly tasks? #geowebchat
@mikedotonline @mappingmashups #geowebchat If those new GIS want pointers on how to use open source GIS, MappingAcrossBorders.com has plenty of tutorials
@Enock4seth @mappingmashups Tutorials that talk about how to do one thing and only one thing at a time. #geowebchat
@mikedotonline @mappingmashups also, mappingacrossborders would be happy to host some more tutorials on how to use @hotosm too, if it helps #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @bondaharper Yes, that’s good advice. Even doing “pair mapping” with two newbies can help you learn quicker than mapping solo. #geowebchat
@RalphAytoun1 #geowebchat Amazing number newbies joined mapping community to help make mapping Nepal possible. Follow up in progress to guide them
@bondaharper @Enock4seth @mappingmashups Single topic tutorials are great idea. Then you can focus on roads 1st, buildings 2nd, etc #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups Some of the tasks don’t even say “Not for beginners” until after you click through. #geowebchat
@skorasaurus @RussellDeffner big reason why they haven’t been done yet #geowebchat
@RussellDeffner (p1/2) Two excellent ways to connect, ask questions, to @hotosm live – for text-chat qub.me/aqODc0 … #geowebchat
@RussellDeffner (p2/2) For text and voice: qub.me/Gg7jV_ #geowebchat
@mataharimhairi How about new users being provided access to watch experienced mappers work live on specific TM projects? #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @mataharimhairi That’s a great idea. Like a live screenshare you can drop into during an activation? #geowebchat
@Enock4seth @RussellDeffner depending on users Internet connectivity. I think text/image tuts works best. @mappingmashups @MapGive @hotosm #geowebchat
@Enock4seth @bondaharper Perfect! @mappingmashups #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo 1/ @RussellDeffner @mappingmashups @skorasaurus @MapGive videos intended to on-board new users, teach @hotosm tasking manager #geowebchat
@JamesLMilner hello #geowebchat !
@joannalane #geowebchat about humanitarian mapping in Nepal starting now: how can newbies contribute productively? Follow and contribute.
@disruptivegeo 2/ @RussellDeffner @mappingmashups @skorasaurus @steviejrich @MapGive videos are fully captioned, designed for translation. #geowebchat
@OLjohnel OSM learning curve over past week has been challenging but not insurmountable. If I did chat, I probably would be further along. #geowebchat
@neogeografen FYI #geowebchat more stats twitter.com/pascal_n/statu…
@mappingmashups @neogeografen To avoid mapping party organizer burnout, maybe follow #maptime model of training trainers and teaching teachers? #geowebchat
@mataharimhairi @mappingmashups Exactly! Live viewing during an activation to help them with identifying features in the satellite imagery #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo 3/ @RussellDeffner @mappingmashups @skorasaurus @hotosm Task specifics intended to be covered in individual tracing guides #geowebchat
@mataharimhairi @RussellDeffner We definitely want to incorporate some kind of chat channel for mappers in the TM projects #geowebchat
@RalphAytoun1 #geowebchat Tasking Manager has many other tasks that newbies can do, not just Nepal. Just scroll down. See missingmaps.org
@mappingmashups @mataharimhairi Or even screenshots of what experienced mappers are seeing. Make it easier for them to share quick snapshots? #geowebchat
@pierzen #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake This is quite an intensive response and ++ new users. I estimate 8 million objects edited in 10 days.
@mappingmashups @RalphAytoun1 Good point. In @bethschechter’s #maptime announcement (maptime.io/blog/2015/04/2…) she encourages other HOT tasks too. #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups It’s nice that they give the links to the tutorials but don’t know if they taught me what this terminology means #geowebchat
@pierzen #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake Mapathons are a good entrance. We need organizers to support / validate new participants tracing.
@mappingmashups @RalphAytoun1 Nepal still needs help, but if a HOT volunteer can more easily learn how to map some other tasks, that’s great too #geowebchat
@mataharimhairi @mappingmashups Yes, the ability to capture snapshots that they can share via the instructions page on the TM project tab #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups Sorry, the information about this terminology is within the detailed instructions for the task. Read as pre-req. #geowebchat
@RussellDeffner @mataharimhairi I think also having ‘mini-modules’ that could be easily accessed from the TM – somehow link to @learnosm? #geowebchat
@Enock4seth @RalphAytoun1 One thing is most newbies knowing OSM via tasks.hotosm.org really want to help with urgent tasks. #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo @danielpunkass @mappingmashups #geowebchat Has to be more than written instructions. Visual guides needed 4 each task hotosm.github.io/tracing-guides/
@OLjohnel A video of a mapathon and/or summary of beginners questions re OSM & Nepal with answers could be useful. #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @danielpunkass Yeah, good descriptions are tough… especially because many mappers are not native English speakers #geowebchat
@mataharimhairi @RussellDeffner Mini-modules linking from the TM project page would also be beneficial. Just have to ensure not to overload. #geowebchat
@pierzen #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake various communication channels possible. Experienced #openstreetmap contributors to take initiatives > support
@pierzen #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake Dynamic Tutorials – Integrate instructions into ID and JOSM editors for example.
@OLjohnel I wonder if directing experienced GIS /inexperienced OSM folks towards QGIS/OSM could help them with transitional issues? #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo #geowebchat Fundamental problems w/ @hotosm activations, need dedicated staff to build tracing guides, rate sub-task difficulty, verify data
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups I can’t see from the OSMTM how difficult the satellite imagery will be to see. So I lock/unlock. Frustrating. #geowebchat
@neogeografen OSM Utopia world within every 10 km > world there is a person who can give a face to face introduction/learning for newbies #geowebchat
@mataharimhairi @pierzen Experienced guide beginners. And we provide the tools like chat channels, live video and dynamic tutorials to do so #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo 2/ #geowebchat current @hotosm system has no mechanism for directing users to appropriate tasks or evaluating quality, this is a huge flaw
@FoFB7 @pierzen hello #geowebchat i’am at #Togo
@RalphAytoun1 #geowebchat Newbies must understand that logging on does not make experts, that takes time, what they have done is brilliant so far.
@mataharimhairi @RussellDeffner Ha ha :) Definitely the mapper! And too much information can be confusing for beginners knowing where to start #geowebchat
@BlakeGirardot So who wants to try some live Nepal mapping training right now via google hangout? New mappers welcome plus.google.com/events/c75h3vt… #geowebchat
@RussellDeffner @danielpunkass @Enock4seth @mappingmashups Ah, so maybe a way to either preview the imagery or have ‘imagery difficulty’ rating #geowebchat
@spatialbits I think its really important that newbees don’t validate at the beginning. This leads to huge quality issues. #geowebchat
@pierzen @disruptivegeo #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake Every @hotosm Repsonse is different. This time, weather, landslides, remote villages.
@danielpunkass @RussellDeffner @Enock4seth @mappingmashups Yes, quickly previewing would help a lot in predicting suitability of a task. #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @RussellDeffner @danielpunkass @Enock4seth Would be useful, but hard, because imagery might be updated after creation of task #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups @RussellDeffner @Enock4seth Ah, because the mechanics of overlaying the imagery is all done on-demand? #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups @RussellDeffner @Enock4seth Even if I could generate imagery and peek without lock/unlock I’d feel better. #geowebchat
@FoFB7 @Enock4seth @RalphAytoun1 I think it is important that newbies take time to read the tasks instructuions #geowebchat @pierzen
@mataharimhairi @BlakeGirardot I’ll join the google hangout training to see how it is! I might be half there and half in twittersphere though #geowebchat
@Enock4seth @pierzen Am sure ID and Potlatch 2 has. Since JOSM is for experience users is there need for any integrated instructions? #geowebchat
@pierzen #geowebchat #NepalEarthquake @BlakeGirardot Nice this hangout session, I am connected.
@mappingmashups @danielpunkass Well, for some tasks you are given a specific overlay to use, other times it’s auto-updated like Mapbox, Bing. #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo 1/ Read Benkler (benkler.org/CoasesPenguin….) for explanation of necessary criteria of peer production systems #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @spatialbits Yes, making validation only possible for approved users might not be too hard to implement. #geowebchat
@danielpunkass @mappingmashups I think if difficulty level could be somewhat formalized and tagged on tasks, it would be very helpful. #geowebchat
@bondaharper @spatialbits I agree that validation should have some restrictions. Not sure if OSM experience level is best indicator #geowebchat
@spatialbits @mappingmashups I wonder how to define those criteria though. Even some users with a lot of OSM experience validate shi* #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @spatialbits It is something that @hotosm can manage? Maybe they can “deputize” trusted people as validators? #geowebchat
@RussellDeffner @mappingmashups @Enock4seth @danielpunkass Many moving parts reg imagery; but think it doable for coordinators to rate poor-good #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo 2/ Inability to direct users to tasks of appropriate difficulty & no quality control risk decreasing motivation & use #geowebchat
@mappingmashups @spatialbits I agree it’s not correlated w/ OSM experience, but rather @hotosm experience & familiarity with the tasks’s needs. #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo 3/ need to develop new systems to crowdsource data validation, this leads to user ranking & assigning appropriate tasks #geowebchat
@mataharimhairi @BlakeGirardot @pierzen This google hangout training is great. Can it be recorded? Then it can be linked through the TM project?#geowebchat
@bondaharper @spatialbits peer-review system would be good set up so as not to alienate willing helpers, but direct to best task for skill #geowebchat
@mappingmashups Thanks everybody for joining this lively #geowebchat. We’re about at the end of our hour. Any last thoughts?
@RalphAytoun1 #geowebchat All done by volunteers so be understanding. They are processing new tasks and imagery all the time.
@bondaharper @mappingmashups Lots of beginners is a great problem to have! I was touched how many of my co-workers gave up lunch to learn #geowebchat
@mataharimhairi @mappingmashups Is this #geowebchat a weekly event? It was very informative and I would like to join again!
@mappingmashups I’ll post the #geowebchat transcript here in a couple days: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ Our next chat is in 1 month.
@RussellDeffner @mappingmashups Thanks for putting this together, let’s do it again soon – great ideas that we’ll capture @hotosm #geowebchat
@mappingmashups The next #geowebchat will be guest-hosted by @nguyenist! We’ll be talking about navigation apps. Tuesday June 2, same time: 12pm PDT 3pm EDT
@CiaranStaunton #geowebchat maybe make another webchat #wheniwasanewbie and get over the experience caste system??
@mataharimhairi @hotosm Great #geowebchat today. Check out the transcript if you missed it. There are a lot of brilliant ideas! twitter.com/mappingmashups…
@mappingmashups @mataharimhairi Thanks to all the @hotosm participants who joined the #geowebchat today!
@pierzen #geowebchat Actually, 84 simultaneous contributors around the world mapping for #NepalEarthquake @hotosm Response tasks.hotosm.org
@BlakeGirardot Next time I live map I have to get the audio and text working, sorry about that :( #geowebchat
@disruptivegeo @Stellar0645 I believe crowd mapping is an incredible force for good, reason for @MapGive, but we must fix user & quality issues #geowebchat
@jgVisov #geowebchat This large job is open to all: tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018 Pre-quake building footprints are useful for damage analysis #gistribe 1/2
@jgVisov #geowebchat View @BlakeGirardot recorded video to see him live @hotosm mapping twitter.com/BlakeGirardot/… #gistribe @pierzen 2/2
@neogeomat #geowebchat many drones were used for news in #NepalQuake . uav image can be better as it’s difficult to identify collapsed structures.
@pedrito1414 #geowebchat Late to party, but a couple of points… 1. Mapathons need to be regular in order to build skills, create new gen. of validators
@pedrito1414 #geowebchat 2. Skilled mappers should not be tracing buildings! They should prep tasks, create guides & then newbies do the simple stuff.
@pedrito1414 #geowebchat The way forward is through intelligent tasking. #MissingMaps is working on this for large AOIs. Documentation soon.