#geowebchat transcript, 3 February 2015: #geodata licenses

@mappingmashups Feb 02, 11:33am Tmrw (Feb 3) 12pm PST: #geowebchat will discuss #geodata licenses. Explore the bestiary of #ODbL, #CreativeCommons, #PublicDomain & more!

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 10:02am Today on #geowebchat, we’re discussing #geodata licenses. Join the chat at 12pm PST 3pm EST 20:00 UTC. cc @openstreetmap @OpenStreetMapUS

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 10:11am Previous #geowebchat transcripts to warm you up for today’s chat: RE copyright: mappingmashups.net/2015/01/20/geo… RE #opendata mappingmashups.net/2014/02/04/geo…

@mapninja Feb 03, 10:16am #geowebchat, today at noon PST. Copyright and licensing issues!

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:00pm Should be an interesting #geowebchat today on licensing, copyright & legal issues vv geoweb, vgi.

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:00pm Welcome to today’s #geowebchat. We’re taking about #geodata and licenses. Time to ask those burning questions and share those opinions!

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:01pm Can someone define ODbL in 140 characters? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:01pm As always, you can follow along with #geowebchat easily here: tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat Just remember to use the hashtag in your tweets

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:02pm ODbL, supposedly in human form: opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:02pm .@re_sieber kicks off the chat w/ the biggest burning #geodata license Q of the day: What’s the #ODbL? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Data… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:05pm Why is ODbL controversial in OSM community? Is it the share-alike clause? @mvexel #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:05pm The #ODbL is share-alike for (CC-SA) for the database, but not for renderings of the database. My attempt at definition. Right? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:07pm During switch to #ODbL, #OSM contributors gave licensing authority to OSM as a project, so it can be relicensed in future… #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:07pm #geowebchat #ODbL Share-Alike chills use in research. Conflicts with #HIPAA #PublishEmbargos, etc… WHat to do?

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:07pm Share-Alike: If you publicly use adapted vers of db u must also offer that adapted database under ODbL opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:08pm …previously, all #OSM contributors held #CC copyright on their contribs, making it difficult to consult them all to relicense #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:09pm .@lxbarth is a good one to articulate the concerns around #ODbL, and I think it mainly revolves around share-alike #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:09pm .@mapninja Example of ODbL chilling research on OSM? #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:09pm Actually, I think it should be the #AlmostODbL It’s either open, or it’s restricted. Can’t be both. #Geowebchat

@mapperz Feb 03, 12:11pm @mappingmashups @re_sieber #ODbL opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/… Share,Create,Adapt as long as you Keep Open,Attribute the source & Share #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:11pm @mapninja What would the #AlmostODbL look like? #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:11pm @re_sieber #GeoWebChat Can’t Geocode #HIPAA Data…use with data from Confidential Informants… Mix with proprietary data…

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:12pm .@mapperz @mappingmashups ODbL explained in less than 140 characters #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:12pm #Geowebchat Looks like this: opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:14pm That’s what I mean. It’s NOT Open, if it has restrictions. Either is, or isn’t. #GeoWebChat #ODBL

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:14pm #GeoWebChat #IRB Takes one look at the #ODbL and it is a non-starter

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:15pm .@lxbarth’s post about #ODbL “OpenStreetMap Isn’t All That Open, Let’s Change That and Drop Share-Alike” openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/d… #geowebchat

@mapperz Feb 03, 12:15pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups TOU u agree to grant us a non transferable option to claim,for now & 4ever more,your immortal soul #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:16pm I’ve had 4+ projects pull back from using #OSM in the last year because of #ShareAlike #ODBL #GeoWebChat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:17pm @mapninja These are all academic projects that wanted to _contribute_ to the #OpenStreetMap database? #geowebchat #ODbL

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:17pm @re_sieber Nope. #HIPAA data must be used in secure environs, non-networked, usually. #GeoWebChat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:18pm @mappingmashups At Least 2 considered contrib to #OSM, then using contrib data for secure geocoding/Network analysis #GeoWebCHat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:19pm .@mapninja Are you saying that any API forces you to use the cloud so it’s imposs for HIPAA #geowebchat 1/2

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:20pm We should note that the critiques of #ODbL and share-alike in #OSM mirror the decline of #GPL and rise of #BSD in software dev #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:20pm @mappingmashups But if you are saying contribution is prereq to use, that’s a whole other discussion, isn’t it? #GeoWebChat

@disruptivegeo Feb 03, 12:20pm written by @kpomfret, white paper legal review #ODbL & #OSM — spatiallaw.com/Uploads/ODbL_a… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:20pm .@mapninja If you clip, download data for work offline; you’re now subject to SA? #geowebchat 2/2

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:21pm @re_sieber I suppose if you are using an API on a local instance, that would work, but that’s different. #GeoWebChat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:21pm @mapninja Not saying that at all. Just curious about circumstances. I didn’t expect academics to need/want to contrib to OSM. #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:22pm #Geowebchat Larger issue is that “Protecting” #OSM and other projects from industry poaching has unintended consequences. #Share-Alike

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:22pm SA likely supports prime motivation of OSM contributors to contribute: data must be free; even data you add on top #geowebchat

@mapperz Feb 03, 12:23pm A good example of sharing osm openstreetmapdata.com/data/land-poly… openstreetmapdata.com/info/license #ShareAlike #ODBL #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:25pm @re_sieber Not as I understand, but if you MIX your data, you are. #GeoWebChat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:25pm .@mappingmashups @mapninja Issue is that academics find OSM better (e.g., accessible, complete) than authoritative datasets #geowebchat

@cartocalypse Feb 03, 12:25pm @mappingmashups @lxbarth share alike is about protecting the freedom that is given. #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:25pm @disruptivegeo Yes, a couple of my projects cited in there. Projects that died or didn’t use #OSM #GeoWebChat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:26pm The #ShareAlike nature of #ODbL & #OSM’s prev CC license also prevents govs from pulling OSM improvements back into orig DBs #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:27pm … (at least in the US where public domain is required on gov data) #geowebchat

@cartocalypse Feb 03, 12:27pm @mappingmashups even if those DBs are odbl or cc-by-sa? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:28pm .@mapninja Is absolutely any addition/mod to OSM data (even if offline, from AP, on other platformI) subject to SA? #geowebchat

@tim_waters Feb 03, 12:28pm There is FOSM which is CC-BY-SA fork of OSM. I’d like to see PD fork. Start afresh, same stack. Don’t all rush at once! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:28pm @cartocalypse Sorry, clarified in the next tweet. I’m mainly talking about public domain gov’t databases. #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:31pm If Industry abuses truly #OpenData, is that such a high price to pay for saving lives? #GeoWebChat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:31pm .@mapninja Many copyright issues resolve to 1. norms of community practice and 2. number of lawyers you have #geowebchat

@geometadata Feb 03, 12:33pm “@mapninja: If Industry abuses truly #OpenData, is that such a high price to pay for saving lives? #GeoWebChat” hmmm…thought provoking

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:33pm .@mapninja ‘If Industry abuses #OpenData, is that too high price to pay for saving lives?’ YES, if individuals stop contributing #GeoWebChat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:33pm Another huge problem is lack of clarity on standing, “Derivatives,” etc… #No Case Law/Ambiguity = Default NO from IRB #GeoWebChat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:35pm @re_sieber putting up a #TickingTimeBomb #strawman, there… won’t happen, as long as industry use doesn’t chill other use #GeoWebChat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:36pm .@mapninja Derivatives contentious in any copyright. When does creative work sufficiently new that it transfers ownership? #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:36pm @re_sieber #GeoWebChat Also, just wow! Really?

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:38pm .@mapninja We can imagine many wonderous applications of OSM, VGI. But if ppl stop contributing then we have a problem #geowebchat

@neogeografen Feb 03, 12:38pm As I understand it OSMF can give special permission to NGOs to overrule the #odbl . but still a “Contains data from OSM” note #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:39pm .@re_sieber @mapninja So, the question is what percentage of #osm contributors would quit if license wasn’t sharealike? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:40pm .@re_sieber @mapninja vs what percentage of new contributors might join if they saw their OSM contribs improving, say, GMaps? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:40pm .@mapninja There’s already dramatic slowdown in contrib to Wikipedia. No guar ppl will forever contrib to OSM.Motivations matter #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:41pm .@mappingmashups RT what percentage of #osm contributors would quit if license wasn’t sharealike? #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:41pm #OSM Mappers I’m working with in Bangladesh could give a crap whether indust pirates, as long as they can empower themselves. #GeoWebChat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:41pm .@mappingmashups @mapninja vs what % of new contributors might join if they thought their OSM contribs saved lives? #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:42pm @re_sieber So you attribute that to licensing? To widespread adoption? Or completeness, maybe? #GeoWebChat #WikiSlowdown

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:43pm RT @disruptivegeo: Anyone who volunteers for @hotosm @TheMissingMaps or @MapGive are doing it to help people. #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:44pm @re_sieber Look at the #HOTOSM Effort in Dhaka. That wasn’t done by people concerned with what @Mapbox wants to do with #OSM #GeoWebChat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:45pm .@mapninja @re_sieber And we know Google Map Maker has a worldwide army of mapping volunteers who don’t care about licenses. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:45pm .@mapninja #WikiSlowdown due to “nothing really exciting ab contributing to Wikipedia” Underlying motiv to contrib no longer met #GeoWebChat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:46pm .@re_sieber @mapninja Or is #WikiSlowdown the victory of deletionists vs inclusionists and the stagnation of bureaucracy? #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:47pm #GeoWebChat Not just “academic.” It’s real world consequences of some people caring more about limiting industry than data4good.

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:47pm @disruptivegeo @mappingmashups @mapninja Altruism is 1 of many motiv to contrib to OSM; not even sure it’s in top 3 #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:48pm .@mappingmashups @mapninja Status is 1 motiv to contrib to Wikipedia. Stagnating bureaucracy constricts abil to rise in status #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:49pm Before we run out of time on #geowebchat: what about cases like @mapillary, a well-funded startup producing a CC geodatabase of photos?

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:51pm .@disruptivegeo @mappingmashups @mapninja 1 outcome of emphasizing altruism: OSM may come 2 resemble crisis mapping>base mapping #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:51pm In some ways the @mapillary data is like #OSM, but w/ a clear corporate entity managing it. Will they have motivation problems? #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo Feb 03, 12:51pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups @mapninja abs.sagepub.com/content/57/5/5… “serious mappers oriented to community, learning, local knowledge” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:54pm @disruptivegeo @re_sieber @mapninja Alternative license? Or alternative model for motivation? #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:54pm #GeoWebChat Thanks all! Gotta go meet about #HOTOSM Mapping in Bangla for #Cholera Intervention. #RealWorldConsequences

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:55pm Re: #ODbL, the Q is whether there will ever be enough appetite for another license change within #OpenStreetMap. Maybe moot. #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo Feb 03, 12:55pm @mappingmashups @re_sieber @mapninja Alternative to crisis mapping / base mapping, what else can OSM really be? #geowebchat

@mapninja Feb 03, 12:55pm @disruptivegeo #GeoWebChat If you call it #OpenData, make it really #Open. That is all.

@re_sieber Feb 03, 12:56pm .@disruptivegeo @mappingmashups @mapninja OSM is great for in car navigation #geowebchat

@disruptivegeo Feb 03, 12:56pm @mapninja Agree, my concern is with the interface between OSM / ODbL and OpenGov / Public Domain. They need to feed each other #geowebchat

re_sieber @re_sieber Feb 03, 12:58pm .@disruptivegeo @mapninja Lots of #opendata isn’t always completely open #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:58pm Thanks everyone for joining #geowebchat on such a contentious and sometimes frustrating topic. It certainly won’t be settled anytime soon.

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 12:59pm Next #geowebchat is on February 17, at the same time. Topic is TBD. As always I’m open to topic suggestions and guest hosts!

@mappingmashups Feb 03, 1:03pm Also, #geowebchat readers in the US: Make sure to contact your congresspeople about the net neutrality vote: battleforthenet.com

@lxbarth Feb 03, 1:22pm #geowebchat – also read this article by #sciencecommons on why #sharealike for data just sucks: sciencecommons.org/resources/read… cc @re_sieber

@underdarkGIS Feb 03, 1:57pm @re_sieber true! in car but also on bike and on foot. unrivaled non-car details @disruptivegeo @mappingmashups @mapninja #geowebchat

lxbarth @lxbarth Feb 03, 2:21pm @cartocalypse – you can’t close the data that’s open already #geowebchat @mappingmashups

re_sieber @re_sieber Feb 03, 5:38pm @disruptivegeo to be clear: I fully support altruism as good reason to map. My point was that altruism is not main motiv in OSM #geowebchat

BrylieO @BrylieO Feb 04, 1:45am @mapninja @disruptivegeo How do you define “open”? What are some definitions you see? How do #OpenData and #FreeCulture compare? #GeoWebChat

BrylieO @BrylieO Feb 04, 1:50m @re_sieber I agree. We need to protect our knowledge commons for all to access as it grows. #ODBL #ShareAlike are protection. #GeoWebChat

lxbarth @lxbarth Feb 04, 3:31am @cartocalypse like eg through geocoding? ;-) https://t.co/8Job4R6ui3 @#geowebchat

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#geowebchat/#geothink transcript, 20 January 2015: #IntellectualProperty, #copyright, and #geodata

@geothinkca Jan 16, 1:00pm #geothink twitterchat on #IntellectualProperty, #copyright & #data 18:00 EST next Tuesday, Jan 20. DM potential Q’s btwn now and then!

@re_sieber Jan 17, 2:14pm Joint #geowebchat #geothink chat, Tue Jan 20, 3pmPST (6pmEST) on #IntellectualProperty, #copyright &spatial data @mappingmashups @geothinkca

@drewfbush Jan 20, 9:02am CODE federal hackathon kicked off again last week: ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/ready… via #geothink #code #canada

@re_sieber Jan 20, 1:38pm #neogeoweb ers: you can follow your 1st #geowebchat tonight @ 6pm, on geoweb copyright& IP issues. Use hashtags #geowebchat or #geothink

@geothinkca Jan 20, 2:53pm .@re_sieber I think we will be using #geothink for this chat (not to get confused btwn the 2)! #neogeoweb #geowebchat

@geothinkca Jan 20, 2:59pm Welcome all to our #geothink chat, hosted by @cheryldpower on #IntellectualProperty, #copyright, and #geodata! Thanks for joining us!

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:00pm Good evening everyone, Cheryl speaking – Let’s hear from the audience who is out there tonight? #geothink #cheryldpower

@mappingmashups Jan 20, 3:00pm Today on #geowebchat we’re joining a chat organized by @geothinkca. Use the hashtag #geothink instead! #geowebchat will be back in 2 weeks.

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:02pm Can we copyright a geodataset? My understanding is no in US; yes in Canada #geothink

@notgregorypeck Jan 20, 3:02pm #geothink hello all. looking frwrd to discussion with @cheryldpower

@mappingmashups Jan 20, 3:02pm @cheryldpower Hi Cheryl. I work at @stamen making maps with #opendata/#openstreetmap. Also doing a PhD at UBC. #geothink

@AmrEldib Jan 20, 3:03pm @cheryldpower hey, Cheryl. I’m Amr in Vancouver, and wanted to hear all about @geothinkca and #geothink

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:04pm @re_sieber #geothink See feist *US

@mappingmashups Jan 20, 3:04pm @cheryldpower I also run #geowebchat… hoping the regular #geoweb audience joins this #geothink chat.

@AmrEldib Jan 20, 3:04pm @re_sieber wouldn’t think be like copyrighting an API which is the topic of dispute between Oracle and Google #geothink

@mappingmashups Jan 20, 3:05pm @cheryldpower We’ve done a few #geowebchats about #opendata. Check out our transcripts after this #geothink chat: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:07pm .@cheryldpower I know ab Feist, although it leaves copyright door open for more complicated db structures #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:08pm Will it be interesting to explore ODBl opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ for this #geothink discussion?

@JamesLMilner Jan 20, 3:08pm Tuning in to #geothink ; not to hot on IP and copyright but know a little about open source licenses

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:09pm @re_sieber #geothink Science technology and IP & Innovation for 10 years !!

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:09pm @AmrEldib Here’s EFF on copyright case ab copyrighting APIs eff.org/press/releases… #geothink

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:10pm @re_sieber #geothink Is it an original selection of data discuss?

@notgregorypeck Jan 20, 3:10pm #geothink can you copyright dataset – according 2 interview with David Fewer, hving a dbase isn’t enough for copyright in CanPost case

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:12pm Also hot in Canada, copyright case of Canada post v @geolytica cbc.ca/news/technolog… #geothink

@notgregorypeck Jan 20, 3:12pm #geothink intrview with David Fewer – one essential ingrdient for copyright: skill of judgement in selection and arrangement of data

@TenilleEBrown Jan 20, 3:14pm @notgregorypeck Do you have a link for that interview Peck? #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:15pm .@notgregorypeck Big diff btwn Canada & US in terms of “sweat of brow” vv copyright #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:16pm .@notgregorypeck In Canada, you can count some “sweat of brow” as well as creativity in asserting copyright #geothink

@JamesLMilner Jan 20, 3:16pm ODBI license looks solid but could be more clear about commercial use as per tldrlegal.com is about Apache 2.0, MIT etc #geothink

@geothinkca Jan 20, 3:16pm @TenilleEBrown Here is the link to the #Geothink newsletter, the interview is on page 12!

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:17pm Have you been exposed to any type of licensing in association with your research project? #geothink #cheryldpower

@notgregorypeck Jan 20, 3:18pm #geothink CIPPIC, in Geolytica case, are arguing about that disctntion on ‘sweat of brow’. not easy to determine when everything is sftwre

@geothinkca Jan 20, 3:19pm @TenilleEBrown geothink.ca/geothink-newsl… #geothink

@mappingmashups Jan 20, 3:19pm @JamesLMilner Yes, #ODbL was meant to clear up a lot of the commercial use cases for #OSM, but many think it’s still not obvious. #geothink

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:19pm @JamesLMilner #geothink Do you have a link?

@ClausRinner Jan 20, 3:20pm Re @re_sieber : What do people think/know about postcodes in OpenStreetMap? Seems a great platform to collect them systematically. #geothink

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:21pm @mhaklay #geothink Do you have specific questions? Have you experience with the license?

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:21pm Copyright in geospatial realm draws on precedence of both pictures (maps), easier to copyright, v. data, difficult to copyright #geothink

@JamesLMilner Jan 20, 3:23pm @mappingmashups interesting. Just read this article about #ODbL issues openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/d… #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:23pm @cheryldpower No, I don’t have any specific question. Just noticed that it created a lot of noise from different directions! #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:23pm .@ClausRinner @geolytica case show us Canada Post asserts copyright over 6 digit postal codes, regardless of collection platform #geothink

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:25pm @re_sieber #geothink Tele-Direct v. American Business Information, need original intellectual creation

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:25pm .@ClausRinner What can be done legally in US vv copyright can’t nec be done legally in Canada. Prob for intl platform lk #OSM #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:25pm @cheryldpower e.g. lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/lega… or openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/d… #geothink vs osmfoundation.org/wiki/License #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:28pm .@cheryldpower Tele-Direct case still asserted that min degree of skill in arrangement is protected by copyright under Canada law #geothink

@mappingmashups Jan 20, 3:29pm @ClausRinner @re_sieber Related to postal codes in #OSM is the openaddresses.io project which is a parallel database w/out #ODbL #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:30pm .@cheryldpower’s mention of Feist, Tele-Direct highlights that geospatial db law derives from phonebooks #geothink

@TenilleEBrown Jan 20, 3:30pm @JamesLMilner Its aimed at the user of the software? So aimed at informing public what they are able to do with said data-set? #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:31pm Welcome @geolytica, to our twitterchat discussion of geospatial data & copyright #geothink

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:32pm Do you think there should be any type of IP protection on forms of data for example databases ? #geothink #cheryldpower

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:33pm .@geolytica has personal experience w the assertion of copyright in Canada vv geospatial data #geothink

@nixzusehen Jan 20, 3:34pm @JamesLMilner spatiallaw.com/Uploads/ODbL_a… #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:36pm @cheryldpower maybe IP protection help in securing privacy & control. e.g. indigenous groups geodata – might deter biotech abuse? #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:36pm Advertisement: #geothink researches copyright, IP and licenses regarding geoweb (also social justice, particip..). Partners inc CIPPIC, OSM.

@geolytica Jan 20, 3:38pm @re_sieber I recently gave a talk at the state of the map on this topic. #geothink My slides are here: geocoder.ca/onetimedownloa…

@geothinkca Jan 20, 3:38pm @mhaklay Are you referring to biotech companies patenting traditional knowledge? #geothink

@TenilleEBrown Jan 20, 3:40pm @mhaklay @cheryldpower yes to biotech use. As well as abuse of the areas of traditionally owned land #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:41pm @geothinkca for example. Beyond biotech, other companies using information about specific plants/resources etc. ? Not sure though! #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:41pm .@mhaklay any insight into why UK didn’t go after OSM vv crown copyright violations compared to Canada? #geothink @geolytica

@JamesLMilner Jan 20, 3:44pm further reading implies that ODbL is very patchy indeed; big issues re: when “share-alike” provisions apply spatiallaw.com/Uploads/ODbL_a… #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:44pm .@cheryldpower I’d argue that crowdsourced datasets should give IP protections to contributors, including Yelp, fb, TripAdvisor #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:45pm @re_sieber @geolytica which violations? OSM community in the UK was vocal to new members about copyright in the early days #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:47pm @JamesLMilner this study is funded to support MapBox view of the ODBl issue, so take it with a pinch of salt … #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:48pm .@mhaklay ownership not just ab copying. CanadaPost asserting tm over “postal code” o.canada.com/business/canad… @geolytica #geothink

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:50pm .@mhaklay #geothink I view the IP & privacy issues through different lens with IP potentially granting exclusive rights in a form of data

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:51pm @re_sieber @geolytica not yet, because ‘postcodes’ and addresses are a completely messy issue in the UK because of the Royal Mail #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:52pm @re_sieber @geolytica see alpha.openaddressesuk.org and …al-government.governmentcomputing.com/news/cabinet-o… as a way to overcome it #geothink

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:52pm How do we provide incentives for the open sharing of data? #geothink #cheryldpower

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:54pm As sidebar to @cheryldpower, a justif for “sweat of brow” inclusion in crown copyright is to protect investment of creator,inc gov #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 3:55pm I wonder if there is any value in studying the discourse at OSM legal talk about lay concepts? lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/lega… #geothink

@notgregorypeck Jan 20, 3:56pm .@cheryldpower #geothink probly need alternative revenue streams – open you data, but need that data to feed into use of other services

@re_sieber Jan 20, 3:57pm @mhaklay “studying the discourse at OSM legal talk about lay concepts” sounds like a potential whitepaper to me for #geothink @cheryldpower

@notgregorypeck Jan 20, 3:57pm .@cheryldpower #geothink a Google model for business. provide free service, and tunnel your customers into your other services

@cheryldpower Jan 20, 3:58pm @re_sieber @mhaklay Absolutely we should talk in the days to come #geothink

@geolytica Jan 20, 3:59pm @mhaklay @re_sieber 1M UK addresses, what percentage of the total is that? Our database in Canada currently stands at over 12M. #geothink

@geothinkca Jan 20, 4:00pm @notgregorypeck @cheryldpower Opening data may also crowdsource expensive problem-solving and optimization #geothink

@mhaklay Jan 20, 4:01pm @cheryldpower some ideas from @DrBobBarr about Core Reference Geographies agi.org.uk/storage/events… & agi.org.uk/storage/events… #geothink

@geothinkca Jan 20, 4:02pm Just a few more minutes of this #geothink chat, if you has any more comments! (We’ll return again in the future)

@mhaklay Jan 20, 4:04pm @geolytica @re_sieber en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcode_… – 29m addresses #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 4:04pm In future would love to have either #geowebchat or #geothink chat just on licenses.

@geothinkca Jan 20, 4:06pm Thanks evryone 4 joining this #geothink & #geowebchat. Thanks @cheryldpower for hosting. Well be back in th future, stay tuned @geothinkca

@mappingmashups Jan 20, 4:08pm @geothinkca I’ll archive this #geothink chat alongside the other #geowebchats here: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/ Will post in a few days.

@mappingmashups Jan 20, 4:09pm @re_sieber The next #geowebchat is Feb 3rd. Do we want to talk about licenses then? #geothink

@re_sieber Jan 20, 4:11pm .@mappingmashups Great idea #geowebchat. Licenses for geospatial data #geothink

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#geowebchat transcript, 6 January 2015: Geo predictions for 2015

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 6:58am Today on #geowebchat: predictions for #2015! Join us at 12pm PDT. Here are some ideas from @geohipster to get started geohipster.com/2014/12/27/wil…

@re_sieber Jan 06, 11:30am .@mappingmashups @geohipster 2015 prediction for #geowebchat: we’ll all become #geohipsters (which means we’ll be displace by the new kids)!

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:00pm Welcome everyone to the first #geowebchat of the year! Today we’ll be making predictions for #2015. What will be the biggest news in #geo?

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:01pm Tweet your #2015 predictions to the #geowebchat hashtag to join the chat. Anything #geoweb/#geospatial/#mapping/#cartography is fair game.

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:02pm Hello #geowebchat. This semester I’ve got this hour free!

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:03pm There are some good conversation-starting predictions in @geohipster’s roundup of pundits & trendsetters: geohipster.com/2014/12/27/wil… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:03pm My 2015 prediction: more #sharingeconomy apps that use spatial without maps #geowebchat

@VAGeogAlliance Jan 06, 12:04pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat Predicting that international politics/conflicts will continue to make top headlines ie: abc.net.au/news/2015-01-0…

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:05pm 2015 prediction: more ridiculous hype ab Occulus RIft & its disruption of VR #geowebchat

@GeoPenny Jan 06, 12:05pm @mappingmashups @geohipster Love it!! It’s HIP to do geography!! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:06pm @re_sieber So one flavor of hype displacing the played-out old hype? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:07pm .@geohipster @mappingmashups New geohisters are Alex Keaton types? Good-bye to all the @stamen folks #geowebchat

@neogeografen Jan 06, 12:07pm Looking forw. > WorldView3 start to have US permission to send images in 31cm (think februar permission starts) #geowebchat

@DiptoSrkr Jan 06, 12:07pm #Predic who will win the Stanley Cup this year? Can maps help us? #geowebchat #FiveThirtyEight

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:07pm @re_sieber Is the spatial-without-maps the same old LBS or is there something new to it? Location-Based Sharing now? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:08pm .@mappingmashups 2015 prediction: geo is still hype-able, part of #disruptecon #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Jan 06, 12:10pm woooops, wrong account! I think we’ll see more open-sourced GIS tools/engines/libraries for web maps in 2015 #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Jan 06, 12:10pm also, #maptime #worlddomination in 2015 #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:10pm .@mappingmashups There’s a newness ab how hidden the SDE can be in todays apps that’s diff from LBS-hard to express in 140 chars #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:12pm .@sidewalkballet One hoped for 2015 prediction, more geoweb courses in Geog depts! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:12pm @sidewalkballet Absolutely. How many #maptime chapters will we see by the end of 2015? ~40 now. >100 by 2016? >200? #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Jan 06, 12:12pm Yep! +1 RT @sidewalkballet: also, #maptime #worlddomination in 2015 #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:13pm .@sidewalkballet 2015 hoped-for prediction: more FOSS spatial analysis tools for geoweb. Geoweb: > data viz #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Jan 06, 12:14pm @re_sieber that too! geoweb for all the geographers. #geowebchat

@mhaklay Jan 06, 12:14pm My Geoweb prediction for 2015 – OSMF employ someone for the first time, or at least moving towards a proper structure #geowebchat

@DiptoSrkr Jan 06, 12:15pm Death of Map Servers. Let the browser do the heavy lifting! #D3 #mapping #mapserver #geowebchat

@mhaklay Jan 06, 12:16pm @re_sieber can we start having a 5 year cycle of VR/AR hype? it’s about at this rate that it happens #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:16pm My prediction for 2015: OSM will become the de facto base for a municipality #geowebchat @mvexel

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:18pm .@mhaklay I’m eagerly anticipating the next “Trough of disillusionment” for VR/AR gartner.com/newsroom/id/28… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:18pm @DiptoSrkr Add @Mapbox’s Turf to that list: mapbox.com/blog/turf-gis-… #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Jan 06, 12:19pm More authoritative geodata being released as open data, then imported to OSM #geowebchat

@ThomasG77 Jan 06, 12:19pm Driverless cars everywhere bbc.co.uk/news/technolog… > higher data precision + road signs detection gist.github.com/iandees/f77374… #geowebchat

@geographerliz Jan 06, 12:20pm 2015 will be the year of getting serious re spatial thinking skills & is not side lined to tools/tech. Still a long way to go #geowebchat

@mhaklay Jan 06, 12:20pm @re_sieber but that one never get to the productivity part. Ever. Since Star Trek in the 1960s #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:20pm @mappingmashups @DiptoSrkr @Mapbox Hoped-for 2015 prediction: instructors find out how to keep up w all new geoweb innovations #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:22pm .@mhaklay 2015 Prediction: VC $ continues to be sucked up by dream not the deployment of geoweb/VR/AR #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:23pm @johnjcz Will we have to revive the term “neogeography”? Geo professionals have been angry since ~2005… #geowebchat

@johnjcz Jan 06, 12:23pm Geo prediction for 2015: geo-specific people continue to decline, devs that know geo increase, people get angry #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:25pm .@mappingmashups @johnjcz That’s neo-neo to you, hipster. ;-) @ later Where 2.0, I saw neogeo’s starting to be displaced #geowebchat

@Spatial_Punk Jan 06, 12:26pm Geo Prediction for two zero one five – We’ll all find something new to whine and bitch about #geowebchat

@mhaklay Jan 06, 12:26pm Another 2015 prediction – you’re going to hear about citizen science even more and less about VGI google.co.uk/trends/explore… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:27pm .@mhaklay VGI? What’s that? #geowebchat

@PlanetGIS Jan 06, 12:27pm È partita la #geowebchat. Se siete curiosi cercate l’hashtag su twitter

@MapsRus Jan 06, 12:27pm 2105 Geo Prediction – “The Internet of Things” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:27pm Let’s get creative: what new @geohipster job title will exist in #2015 that we haven’t seen before? #geowebchat

@mhaklay Jan 06, 12:28pm @re_sieber better remember that when that ACME paper come out #geowebchat

@Spatial_Punk Jan 06, 12:28pm @mappingmashups @geohipster AGOL Creditor #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:28pm .@geohipster: Always the leading (bleeding?) edge of the geohipster curve #geowebchat

@spara Jan 06, 12:29pm Contraction in geoweb market. Firms let staff go #geowebchat

@geographerliz Jan 06, 12:29pm @mappingmashups @geohipster map-storyteller. or geo-storyteller or something with storytelling (and I’m totally fine with it) #geowebchat

@johnjcz Jan 06, 12:29pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups neogeography and geohipster are used because it others people doing the same thing, but better #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Jan 06, 12:29pm @geographerliz @mappingmashups @geohipster I think @urbanmapping has some Geographic Storytellers already! #geowebchat

@mhaklay Jan 06, 12:30pm @mappingmashups with all the hype on connected cars, you’ll get connected transport analyst or some mashup of that #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:30pm Also: what new #geoweb courses or lecture titles will we see from the likes of @ProfGlasses in #2015? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:30pm .@mvexel @mhaklay Definition of Volunteered Geographic Information: what academics reduce OSM to. #geowebchat

@Spatial_Punk Jan 06, 12:31pm Prediction for 2015: we realize that MSFT was right, and the only two projections anyone gives a shit about is flat and globe #geowebchat

@DiptoSrkr Jan 06, 12:31pm More use of streaming #geodata. #geowebchat #Prediction

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:31pm @geographerliz I think @mizmay had that title in 2013! #trendsetter #geowebchat

@geographerliz Jan 06, 12:32pm @mappingmashups Absolutely! But now I think it will be a mainstream job title :-). #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:36pm 2015 hoped-for prediction: more geometry in geoweb. Geog > 2 columns, bounding box #geowebchat

@Spatial_Punk Jan 06, 12:37pm Well right, with openGL 3d Globes in the browser without downloading some dumbass player. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:37pm .@DiptoSrkr 2015: more open streaming #geodata, esp from gov #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Jan 06, 12:37pm .@re_sieber down with bboxes forever! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:37pm @re_sieber @spara or maybe #geo is the first under the bus when the tech bubble bursts? #geowebchat

@rmcooper4 Jan 06, 12:37pm Prediction 2015: It will be the year of the narrative, when the first inklings of story will emerge from story maps. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:38pm .@sidewalkballet Down w bboxes, up w buffers & irregular polygons! #geowebchat

@spara Jan 06, 12:39pm Story Map wins #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:39pm .@mappingmashups @spara I refuse to be 1st up against the wall when the next tech bubble bursts (& fortunately, I have tenure) #geowebchat

@pcrickard Jan 06, 12:40pm I want more Cesium. cesiumjs.org #geowebchat

@mapperz Jan 06, 12:40pm @mappingmashups @geohipster neofusion carto evangelist #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:40pm .@pcrickard @mappingmashups @geohipster A nightmare and a geoweb prediction in one! #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Jan 06, 12:41pm @re_sieber and up with the power to handle it all at top speed! #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:41pm .@pcrickard You’re so helping my geoweb course right now! #geowebchat

@geohipster Jan 06, 12:43pm @mappingmashups GeoMetadata bard #geowebchat ; GeoHaiku weaver

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:45pm .@geohipster @mappingmashups New geoweb job titles in 2015: data scientist w geo sprinkles #geowebchat

@boundlessgeo Jan 06, 12:46pm @pcrickard @mappingmashups @geohipster, isn’t “Geographic Prophet’ already @pwramsey’s job? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:46pm @geohipster @mappingmashups 2015 job titles: Spatial songmeister #geowebchat

@geohipster Jan 06, 12:47pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups GeoData Magician; Spatial SpellCaster #geowebchat

@ThomasG77 Jan 06, 12:48pm @re_sieber @pcrickard Alternative globe solution planetaryjs.com #geowebchat

@geographerliz Jan 06, 12:48pm @re_sieber @geohipster @mappingmashups: spatial songmeister is @Spatial_Punk his covers are #geoperfect // #geowebchat

@geohipster Jan 06, 12:49pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups Spatialist #geowebchat

@DiptoSrkr Jan 06, 12:49pm Intuitiveness of #DigitalMaps killing off #DigitalEarths? #geowebchat

@mhaklay Jan 06, 12:49pm Another important thing to follow for 2015 – GeoWeb, GIS and Climate Change negotiations #geowebchat roadtoparis.info

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:50pm As we approach the end of our #geowebchat, what are your anti-predictions for #2015? What definitely won’t happen in #geo this year?

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:51pm .@geohipster @mappingmashups In 2015, we’ll ea have a unique geo job title that solidifies our outsider geo status #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:20pm .@sidewalkballet This may be the year of full-fledged parallel projects that complement OSM: @openaddresses, @OpenDroneMap, etc #geowebchat

@spara Jan 06, 12:53pm No more investment in mapping startups #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:53pm Artisanal Areal Unit Problem #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:54pm .@mappingmashups Won’t happing in 2015: more spatial literacy ;-( just glib use of geoviz #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:55pm .@mappingmashups Won’t happing in 2015: ethical considerations of drones percolating into mainstream #geowebchat

@dvolps Jan 06, 12:55pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat – global & more traction than ever for real-time traveler info services

@rmcooper4 Jan 06, 12:56pm @mappingmashups The dollar will tank and more countries will tie the value of their currency to ESRI Credits. #geowebchat

@rockoncali Jan 06, 12:56pm @mappingmashups @geohipster #geowebchat Geospatial Image Consultant

@re_sieber Jan 06, 12:58pm .@rmcooper4 @mappingmashups In 2015 ESRI develops its own version of bitcoin. Geocoin? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 12:59pm Thanks all for joining our chat today! If any of these #geo predictions come true in #2015, you’ll hear about it on a future #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Jan 06, 12:59pm @mappingmashups #maptime will transition to #naptime ……ZzzZzz #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 1:00pm @rockoncali @mappingmashups @geohipster Geospatial Image Consultant:that map doesnt make your Greenland-I mean hips-look big #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 06, 1:00pm Next #geowebchat is January 20, same time. Topic TBD. Transcript of today’s chat will be at mappingmashups.net/geowebchat shortly.

@bethschechter Jan 06, 1:00pm i predict female voices will get louder in the OS Geo world #geowebchat

@nixzusehen Jan 06, 1:02pm @re_sieber @rmcooper4 @mappingmashups You will only be able to buy them with AGOL credits. Six months later, they reverse that. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 06, 1:02pm .@bethschechter Let’s make that happen: RT i predict female voices will get louder in OS Geo World #geowebchat

@rockoncali Jan 06, 1:05pm @mappingmashups @geohipster #geowebchat #whashtagthistime Geospatial Image Consultant – we help you ironically keep trendy with the checkins

@DiptoSrkr Jan 06, 1:05pm #Prediction : Standardization for #geoweb data structure. #geoJSON and #topoJSON ruling the roost.

@rockoncali Jan 06, 1:09pm @mappingmashups @geohipster #geowebchat Analog Location Specialist

@rockoncali Jan 06, 1:11pm @mappingmashups @geohipster #geowebchat Location Branding Innovator – we tell you where it’s cool to be

@JamesLMilner Jan 06, 1:15pm looks like I’m late to the #geowebchat party

@JamesLMilner Jan 06, 1:26pm #geowebchat 2015 rough predictions in words: automation, usability, WebGL, JavaScript, 3D, startups, BIM, big data, IoT

@RhoBott Jan 06, 1:56pm I like the way you think … RT @bethschechter: i predict female voices will get louder in the OS Geo world #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Jan 06, 4:47pm prediction for 2015: gif maps will happen cc @geohipster #geowebchat

@51114u9 Jan 06, 5:33pm anti-prediction for 2015: googlemaps continue his line and we do not see the use of satellite imagery for humanitarian causes #geowebchat

@williamscraigm Jan 06, 7:36pm I made my first in 1996 RT @skorasaurus: prediction for 2015: gif maps will happen cc @geohipster #geowebchat

@bgrassbluecrab Jan 07, 5:25am I so hope so RT @skorasaurus: prediction for 2015: gif maps will happen cc @geohipster #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Jan 07, 6:26am RT @giacecco: @mappingmashups you missed @openaddressesuk :-) #opendata #geowebchat

@re_sieber Jan 07, 8:43pm Another sign that GIS in academia is changing Asst Prof,Geospatial Data Sciences: George Mason University bit.ly/1xG5l1s #geowebchat

@mhaklay Jan 08, 8:52am Following #geowebchat on 2015 climate change & geo – compare @McKinsey mckinsey.com/Insights/Energ… with @ucl finding theguardian.com/environment/20…

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#geowebchat transcript, 16 Dec 2014: Top Geo Story of 2014 #topgeostoryof2014

@mappingmashups Dec 13, 8:53am What’s the #topgeostoryof2014? Tweet your votes before Dec 16! Here’s last year’s list for inspiration: mappingmashups.net/2013/12/17/geo… #geowebchat

@wisemana Dec 15, 1:49pm @mappingmashups #topgeostoryof2014 for better or worse, the rise of “X maps to explain Y” articles

@geo_will Dec 15, 2:34pm the rise of small satellites #topgeostoryof2014

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 2:37pm Another source of inspiration for your #topgeostoryof2014 voting: re-read the #geowebchat transcripts for this year: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat/#20…

@mappingmashups Dec 15, 5:18pm What’s the #topgeostoryof2014? Tweet me your votes! mappingmashups.net/2014/12/15/vot… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 15, 8:00pm Top #geowebchat stories of 2014 are those that don’t mention geoweb: 1. Uber

@re_sieber Dec 15, 8:01pm Top #geowebchat stories of 2014 are those that don’t mention geoweb: 2. Occulus RIft (& intersection of VR & space)

@re_sieber Dec 15, 8:01pm Top #geowebchat stories of 2014 are those that don’t mention geoweb: 3. commercial drones

@almereyda Dec 16, 12:29am My #topgeostoryof2014 is the dawn of @transformap, set out to visualize all alternative economies. #commons #shareconomy #federatedmaps

@neogeografen Dec 16, 8:51am #topgeostoryof2014 is #missingmaps which has attract lots of more women as #osm contributers

@drewdaraabrams Dec 16, 10:44am @mappingmashups a #topgeostoryof2014 in my mind is a Nobel going to 3 neuroscientists for their research on rat spatial behavior and memory

@drewdaraabrams Dec 16, 10:47am @mappingmashups and a non-#topgeostoryof2014: journalists/bloggers claiming hippocampuses and grid cells in rats = human spatial cognition

@re_sieber Dec 16, 10:55am Another potential topstory of 2014 for #geowebchat: location based disaster alert & checkin from fb newsroom.fb.com/news/2014/10/i…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 10:57am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat Hawk vs. drone. Hawk wins youtu.be/AhDG_WBIQgc

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:00am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: enhanced analytics for VGI, eg to do new geodemographics loac.datashine.org.uk/#zoom=14&lat=5…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:05am 2014 topstory for #geowebchat? Volvo’s Sensor Fusion framewk links onbd cameras,radar,lidar,GPS to prevent accidents youtu.be/HVwmYUrfOP0

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:08am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Google blurs faces in Street View including statues marionbalac.com/index.php?/dra…

@NeptisRegions Dec 16, 11:09am Funny! RT @re_sieber: Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Google blurs faces in Street View including statues marionbalac.com/index.php?/dra…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:22am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat Grindr turns off distance option bc of privacy viol. Triangulation reveals exact loc americablog.com/2014/09/gay-gr…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:24am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: 100s of bluetooth beacons inside NYC phone booths track ur smartphone &send LBS ads buzzfeed.com/josephbernstei…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:27am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Tech giants move to prevent wearables from being regulated in US politico.com/story/2014/09/… #quantifiedself

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:29am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: #ProjectLoon, using drones for Internet coverage in rural areas. The pros and cons theglobeandmail.com/technology/dig…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:25am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Almost complete capture of VGI by Computer Science, seen @ #GIScience2014 & geocrowd.eu/workshop_2014/

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:44am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Rise & fall of MonkeyParking blog.sfgate.com/cityinsider/20…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:45am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: 10 year anniversary of #OSM!

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:46am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Google Maps trying to tap into Yelp,FourSq,WeatherChannel,TripAdvisor market google-latlong.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/spend-…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:48am Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: The advent of nearables: tiny bluetooth location beacons theverge.com/2014/8/21/6053… #InternetOfThings

@re_sieber Dec 16, 11:49am A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: IEEE found Google controlled test conditions so driverless car passed driving test spectrum.ieee.org/transportation…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 11:54am And @SteveC declares OSM is ready for prime time RT @re_sieber: Potential #topgeostoryof2014 for #geowebchat: 10 year anniversary of #OSM!

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 11:59am @tonyquartararo @SteveC @re_sieber “prime time” = “navigation ready” stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2014

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:00pm A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: She tried to keep her pregnancy secret from #bigdata but didnt consider loc tracking theguardian.com/world/2014/may…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:01pm A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: taxi cabs vs Uber bbc.com/news/uk-englan…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:01pm Welcome all to our last #geowebchat of the year. We’re counting votes for the #topgeostoryof2014. I’ll collect votes for the next 30min.

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:02pm A 2014 topstory for #geowebchat: Rich ppl get their houses removed frm Google Street View theguardian.com/technology/201…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:02pm Please use the hashtag #geowebchat in your tweets, but I’ll collect both #geowebchat and #topgeostoryof2014 for the transcript.

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:04pm So @mappingmashups, what are your top 2014 stories vv #geowebchat?

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:04pm @re_sieber I’m trying to remain neutral! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:06pm I saw one vote for microsatellites as the #topgeostoryof2014. Might be too early to see their potential yet. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:06pm Top #geowebchat story of 2014:I’m still surprised big firms, Google, Apple r still struggling to monetize maps (eg Apple’s sm biz registry)

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:08pm I’d like to hope that the recent kerfuffle on the #OSM mailing lists might been seen as a turning point in 2014. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:10pm Another top #geowebchat story: the rise of the #OnDemandEconomy eg w Curbside pando.com/2014/10/06/cur…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:10pm @re_sieber Yes, just when it seemed like pay-for-maps was the standard, CartoDB just upended that recently. #geowebchat

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:12pm #topgeostoryof2014 new kid on the block #mapillary and permission for #osm use – layer via iD editor #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:13pm How about the launch of @TheMissingMaps this year? Humanitarian mapping trying to be proactive not reactive #topgeostoryof2014 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:14pm @neogeografen Oh yes, @mapillary is big news this year. An open data version of Google Street View gains momentum. #geowebchat

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:15pm @mappingmashups @TheMissingMaps was my #1 vote – also because I see more women in these mapping parties #topgeostoryof2014 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:17pm I know that #Maptime was one of the top stories of 2013, but it’s seen explosive growth in 2014. Now ~40 chapters worldwide! #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:17pm Potential #geowebchat topstory: Rampant Lic Plate Reading has police knowing where you’ve been alextimes.com/2014/04/report…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:19pm @re_sieber I didn’t know about #ProjectLoon! What are the other big #drone stories for 2014? 2013 had a lot of drone hype. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:23pm Our 2013 list (mappingmashups.net/2014/12/15/vot…) was product heavy. But what were the big product stories in geo this year? Mapbox Studio? #geowebchat

@erictheise Dec 16, 12:23pm legal efforts to require warrants to access cellphone generated location data, e.g. qub.me/jKHcY5 #topgeostoryof2014 #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:24pm Other 2014 geo product news: @mapzen launches an OSM-based app mapzen.com/blog/we-made-a… #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2014

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:25pm 2014 geo product news: Free map views on @cartoDB: blog.cartodb.com/no-limits/ #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2014

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:26pm 2014 geo product news: @Telenav Scout app using #OSM, now reporting errors to OSM’s notes feature #geowebchat #topgeostoryof2014

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:27pm @mappingmashups Products this year uMap – made it easy to use serval OSM based design + data layers #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:27pm Possible #geowebchat topstory of 2014 that’s product-based: The rise of storymaps.arcgis.com

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:30pm A topstory in 2014 for #geowebchat: Google acquired Nest to get a piece of the #InternetofThings slate.com/blogs/future_t…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:31pm Has the geoweb been silent about #Ferguson & protests & police violence? Thinking about big news this year missing on our list. #geowebchat

@erictheise Dec 16, 12:33pm wadr to @ecgreb & @mapzen’s app, their work with lidar + osm polygons is more mindblowing mapzen.com/blog/point-clo… #geowebchat

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:33pm Lots of more content for #teachosm and #learnosm websites this year #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:33pm Poss 2014 topstory for #geowebchat that’s industry-based: @stamen made the NYTimes bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/a-m…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:35pm Possible topstory in 2014 #geowebchat: crowdmapping Ebola gcn.com/Articles/2014/…

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:39pm .@mappingmashups Mapping Ferguson, police protests mapbox.com/blog/ferguson/ googlemapsmania.blogspot.ca/2014/08/mappin…floatingsheep.org/2014/08/mappin… #geowebchat

@neogeografen Dec 16, 12:41pm #topgeostoryof2014 My final vote goes to #missingmaps great work and now also mapping parties in UK,US, France & Belgium #geowebchat

@rockoncali Dec 16, 12:41pm @mappingmashups I read the blog for #topgeostoryof2014 – consider this my vote for @TheMissingMaps :)

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:43pm .@erictheise Also study using OpenStreetMap to reveals four unique city topologies phys.org/news/2014-10-o… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:46pm Okay, here’s the countdown. #10 #topgeostoryof2014 Big corporations moving into the Internet of Things #IOT #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:47pm #9 #topgeostoryof2014 Various geoprivacy stories, but no single outrage-provoking case. Death of privacy by 1000 cuts. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Dec 16, 12:47pm Potential 2014 topstory for #geowebchat Disney World Tracks Visitors NSA-Style With Magic Wristbands gawker.com/disney-world-c…

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:48pm #8 #topgeostoryof2014 The rising prestige of data journalism, but also glut of “X maps that explain X” listicles. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:50pm #7 #topgeostoryof2014 The rise of Uber and other data-driven transport apps, succeed while pushing ethical boundaries #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:51pm #6 #topgeostoryof2014 The year of microsatellites and commercial space ventures #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:53pm #5 #topgeostoryof2014 The rise of @mapillary, an #opensource/#opendata challenge to Google Street View (+ integration w/ OSM) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:54pm #4 #topgeostoryof2014 #OpenStreetMap Foundation meltdown. Storm in a teacup, or sign of renewed community engagement? We’ll see! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:56pm #3 #topgeostoryof2014 The explosive growth of #maptime! (plus other geo-ed like #learnosm/#teachosm) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:58pm #2 #topgeostoryof2014 Is @openstreetmap’s 10th birthday, & increasing maturity. “Ready for prime time” stevecoast.com/2014/05/19/why… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 12:59pm The #1 #TopGeoStoryOf2014 is launch of @TheMissingMaps. Initiative of @hotosm, @RedCross, & others to map *before* disasters! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Dec 16, 1:01pm Thanks everybody for joining this #geowebchat! Next one is Jan 6th. We’ll be making predictions for 2015, so get your crystal ball ready.

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Vote for the Top Geo Story of 2014: #topgeostoryof2014

For the final #geowebchat of the year (which will be Tuesday, December 16, at 12pm PST), I am collecting your votes for the top news story of the year in the field of geography and geospatial technology. On the 16th I will add up all your votes and post a crowdsourced top 10 list of the biggest geo stories of 2014.

Please send me your votes, either through comments on this blog post, or on twitter using the hashtag #topgeostoryof2014. One vote per person please (but if you must vote for more than one, please rank your votes in order of preference: #1, #2, etc.)

To give you some ideas, here are the top stories you picked for 2013:

The top stories we picked for 2013:

  1. MapBox’s funding and general awesomeness
  2. The release of the iD editor for OpenStreetMap
  3. The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap team’s activation for Typhoon Haiyan/Yolanda
  4. Revelations about NSA #geosurveillance (and other geo-tracking stories)
  5. The year of alternative geo pedagogy: The Penn State maps #MOOC, #mapacademy, #maptime, #mapschool, etc.
  6. Notable successes, failures, & sudden rebirths in #hyperlocal news (@Nextdoor @PatchTweet @everyblock etc)
  7. OpenStreetMap hits 1 million users
  8. Dynamic hillshading by MapBox
  9. Joshua Katz’s dialect maps
  10. The release of QGIS 2.0
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