#geowebchat transcript, 18 March 2014: Paid Contributions in #OpenData Projects

@mappingmashups Mar 15, 12:24pm New post: Next #geowebchat, March 18: Paid Contributions in #OpenData Projects with guest host @mpmckenna8 bit.ly/1iOzw0K

@michael_d_gould Mar 17, 5:33am @mappingmashups This gamification trial is of relevance here too. openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe/d… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Mar 17, 1:06pm Also relevant to the next #geowebchat (mappingmashups.net/2014/03/15/nex…) is the #gamification of #opendata: openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe/d…

@mpmckenna8 Mar 17, 1:40pm @lxbarth Great chance to highlight all the + contributions @Mapbox makes to the OSM community in #geoWebChat tomorrow mappingmashups.net/2014/03/15/nex…

@mpmckenna8 8:59am First #geoWebChat hosted by me in 3 hrs on paid contributions in collaborative data projects. mappingmashups.net/2014/03/15/nex… Join in + share links!

@mpmckenna8 12:00pm Read this failed wikimedia proposal to deal w/ paid editing to get ready for #geoWebChat starting in a hot minute. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia…

@erictheise 12:01pm san francisco’s weekly air raid siren test has concluded, so it must be time for @mpmckenna8′s #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:01pm Starting off #geoWebChat saying how thankful I am to profit seeking orgs for all the amazingness added to @openstreetmap like iD editor.

@mpmckenna8 12:02pm @erictheise You thought it was an air raid siren… SF has just been practicing for marking the beginning of my #geoWebChat.

@erictheise 12:06pm am i wrong in remembering #iD initiative was @knightfdn funded thru @Mapbox, @mpmckenna8, and things were tense at @sotmus pdx? #geowebchat

@lolkins 12:07pm @mpmckenna8 in most cases I don’t agree with it. VGI projects need to be sustainable from engagement and worthwhile goals #geowebchat

@lolkins 12:08pm @mpmckenna8 with payment, people will always move on to the next highest offer. #geowebchat

@notoncebut2x 12:08pm Has any work been done to test the quality of paid vs volunteered edits in something like #OSM? #geoWebChat

@erictheise 12:12pm you know about @Telenav’s recent experiments w/editing contests, @notoncebut2x? seems to have been many spurious edits. #geowebchat

@geobrando 12:12pm Nothing inherently wrong with paid contributions to #opendata projects. Transparency and disclosure are paramount. #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:16pm .@notoncebut2x, winner @bdiscoe posts about it here: openstreetmap.org/user/bdiscoe/d… #geowebchat

@notoncebut2x 12:18pm @richmanmax @wisemana would be nice to get the international development perspective in this week’s #geoWebChat

@re_sieber 12:18pm Public sector orgs also may seek profit (ROI) 4their #opendata Ottawa example of this, although they learned error of their ways #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:19pm @geobrando The question is how to ensure Transpanency and Disclosure while keeping a low barrier to entry on the given project. #geoWebChat

@re_sieber 12:21pm @mpmckenna8 @geobrando Trasparency ab what, though? Motivations bsides $ for contributing to #opendata? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:24pm Paid for #opendata sim to gamification arguments. What motivation do you want to promote? I’d vote for civic duty, which = no $ #geowebchat

@geobrando 12:27pm @re_sieber @mpmckenna8 Well, yes. Transparency regarding type of compensation, employer, etc. But this is not always practical #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:29pm @re_sieber @geobrando OSM edits i made disappeared & I had to send emails to figure out it was someone getting paid. #geoWebChat

@re_sieber 12:30pm @geobrando @mpmckenna8 Yes.Impracticality is the central prob in #bigdata type activities for understanding motivations #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:31pm can you say more about $-motivated having “highest number of edits which hurt the quality of the map and its data” @mpkckenna8? #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:32pm @geobrando @re_sieber If you want reliable data and a healthy community not driven by $ it’s necessary. #geoWebChat

@notoncebut2x 12:32pm @re_sieber I vote for the best data possible as that provides the largest amount of utility to the largest amount of people #geoWebChat

@re_sieber 12:33pm @mpmckenna8 @geobrando Being paid (eg micropayments) or doing edits as part of a job for VGI? These will hv different add motiv #geowebchat

@DBOSull 12:33pm @erictheise this must depend in part on the remuneration model. Piece-work (prob low quality) v need for a quality end-product

@erictheise 12:34pm seems that $-motivation can be contest-driven, which seems a terrible incentive or… #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:34pm … functionality-driven, like @Telenav et al. who want good data to enable routing, addressing, in a reliable fashion. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:36pm @notoncebut2x Best data for whom, though? Sometimes we need to sacrifice “best” data for other goals lk civic (unpaid) duty #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:37pm hard for me to imagine edits by someone financially-motivated to improve routing data = vandalizing your edits, @mpmckenna8. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:38pm Ppl often contribute for simul mult reasons (eg, altruism, professional status). $ may be 1 of many motivations #geowebchat

@notoncebut2x 12:38pm @re_sieber Sure best or the quality of data can be a subjective term in many cases but the same can be said of ‘civic duty’ #geoWebChat

@geobrando 12:38pm @mpmckenna8 We have to separate opendata and VGI. What % of our #opendata was collected by someone earning a paycheck? #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:42pm @erictheise Then if I don’t really care I just go back to Google Maps and MapMaker… #geoWebChat

@erictheise 12:42pm <meta>please please use the #geowebchat hash tag because those of us following on tweetchat, et al., are not seeing replies +

@erictheise 12:42pm @mappingmashups isn’t going to be able to collect & post a transcript</meta> #geowebchat

@DBOSull 12:42pm @re_sieber Try again with hashtag (new at this) micropayments v part of job clearly different. Latter seems OK, former less so #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:43pm @notoncebut2x Yes, but best qual data is in eye of beholder&may be “best process” of contributing #geowebchat best not always loc acc

@peterajohnson 12:45pm @re_sieber right, is the goal participation or quality? Can it be both? #geowebchat

@mhaklay 12:45pm Here is a piece of research for #geowebchat msr-waypoint.com/en-us/um/peopl… Volunteering vs. Work for Pay: Incentives and Tradeoffs in Crowdsourcing

@DBOSull 12:46pm @re_sieber @notoncebut2x but don’t many definitions of ‘best’ then imply no single opendata source? #geowebchat

@peterajohnson 12:47pm If others are getting paid for OSM edits, why can’t I? Does this create multiple classes of contributors? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:47pm .@DBOSull VGI as part of job may b ok for low hanging fruit data (roads) but what ab when data is polit charged? #DataHasAgendas #geowebchat

@mhaklay 12:48pm “Performance by unpaid and paid workers can be compared, that financial incentives can be used to trade quality for speed” #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:49pm @peterajohnson My argument that best, qual, participation all may be the same re VGI, #opendata. Depends on who defines quality #geowebchat

@DBOSull 12:50pm @re_sieber Yep… #DataHasAgendas but so would any single definition of best! #geowebchat and who would decide?

@re_sieber 12:51pm .@DBOSull Why, the crowd decides what’s best! ;-) #geowebchat

@wisemana 12:52pm @mappingmashups @mpmckenna8 there are orgs like @hotosm which get funding from donors to train local ppl on OSM, maps, GIS etc #geowebchat

@DBOSull 12:53pm @re_sieber Paid or unpaid crowd?! #geowebchat

@mhaklay 12:53pm @peterajohnson a lot about managing the process. A very old example in geocities. See Brown 2001 Three case studies #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:53pm .@mhaklay One prob w that arg is that paid workers may be asked to contribute data as volunteer activity, outside wk hrs #geowebchat

@wisemana 12:54pm @mappingmashups @mpmckenna8 and i think sometimes HOT pay the local ppl, but they also build their capacity at the same time #geowebchat

@wisemana 12:55pm @mappingmashups in Haiti for example @hotosm ran two very successful activities funded by @USAIDOTI training local ppl to map #geowebchat

@mhaklay 12:55pm @re_sieber not much difference with “zero hour contracts” that are becoming practice in the ‘real world’? #geowebchat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-hour…

@DBOSull 12:56pm Policing motivation under the rubric ‘volunteered’ has to be a dead end. Quite apart from the semantic contradictions #geowebchat

@wisemana 12:56pm @mappingmashups and later some of those Haitians got jobs with other donors doing mapping and tech, so doubly successful #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:57pm We may be living in liminal times, when ppl have interest in volunteer contributing. In future all contrib may be paid (cf 4sq) #geowebchat

@mhaklay 12:57pm @re_sieber and in the current version of capitalism, reducing labour costs to zero is somehow ethically acceptable #geowebchat

@wisemana 12:57pm @mappingmashups here’s an article about @USAIDOTI and @hotosm experience in Haiti medium.com/medium-for-hai… #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:58pm .@mhaklay I saw lots of crowdsourcing research into zero hour contracts at Microsoft Research #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 12:59pm @wisemana @mappingmashups @hotosm I much more value $ spent on training and empowering tools than straight up data input. #geoWebChat

@re_sieber 1:00pm .@mhaklay “reducing labour costs to 0 is somehow ethically acceptable” so we shud stop using githib, 4sq, fb bc they’re abetting #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:01pm .@mpmckenna8 @wisemana @mappingmashups @hotosm Lots of PPGIS research shows that empowering via tools is ephemeral at best #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:01pm McKinsey Global Institute mckinsey.com/insights/high_… Unlocking value and productivity through social technologies #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:03pm @re_sieber but we all know that we have $$ value that they monitise. That’s why they are ‘free’ – no free lunches #geowebchat

@DBOSull 1:03pm @re_sieber @mhaklay Seem now to be arguing for payment? (at least by implication) #geowebchat

@erictheise 1:04pm tnx for posting research @mhaklay. @re_sieber do you believe in a sharing economy or is it all disguised capitalist swindling? #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:04pm @DBOSull arguins? me and @re_sieber basically agree on everything :-) #geoWebChat

@DBOSull 1:04pm @mhaklay @re_sieber if you are getting it for ‘free’ then YOU are the product #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:04pm .@mhaklay I’m waiting for the VGI uprising against free lunches that aren’t free #MyDataIsMine #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:06pm .@erictheise @mhaklay Can we have a sharing economy that isn’t co-opted by the emergent 1% that monetizes us? #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:07pm @erictheise lots of it, when they are not committed to commons & values. Among some OpenStreetMap core Ayn Rand quite popular #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:07pm .@erictheise @mhaklay Can we have in VGI a Torvald, Stallmen sharing economy that’s immune to capitalist swindling? #geowebchat

@DBOSull 1:08pm @re_sieber @erictheise @mhaklay This guy nytimes.com/2014/03/16/opi… thinks so, I’m not so sure #geowebchat

@pierzen 1:10pm @re_sieber @mpmckenna8 @wisemana @mappingmashups @hotosm better empowering via tools and community development long term persp #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:10pm .@DBOSull @erictheise @mhaklay The latest version of creative destruction? Sounds like more 1% smoke and mirrors #geowebchat

@mhaklay 1:11pm @DBOSull that’s a better discussion thebaffler.com/past/the_meme_… thu I disagree that it’s only O’Reilly who hijacked open/free… #geowebchat

@DBOSull 1:12pm @mhaklay Stallman comparison suggests sharply drawn lines and defns eg cf ‘real’ open v linux shipped with proprietary codecs #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:12pm .@mhaklay @DBOSull Yes, @mhaklay & I are basically twins #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:15pm @pierzen @mpmckenna8 @wisemana @mappingmashups @hotosm Hard 2boptimistic when u hv a lng term perspective on empowermt via tools #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:17pm Wow, time flew by. Thanks for the #geowebchat Time to return to contributing VGI for $, woops, I mean for free.

@disruptivegeo 1:17pm @re_sieber @pierzen @mpmckenna8 @wisemana @mappingmashups @hotosm So it’s best to do nothing? How do you empower? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:19pm @disruptivegeo @pierzen @mpmckenna8 @wisemana @mappingmashups @hotosm Im all for attempt to empower via tools. Im just skeptical #geowebchat

@GeoPenny 1:25pm How well do you know the world? Play Geoguessr to find out! bbc.com/travel/feature… #geography #aphg #sschat #geowebchat

@DBOSull 1:25pm @re_sieber Must depend on soc/pol/econ context. In equal world tools may empower, in unequal one seems less clear cut #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:30pm .@DBOSull In equal world, we may not need tools to empower #geowebchat

@pierzen 1:32pm @mhaklay for #openstreetmap humanitarian activations, we observe experience is a major factor for both quality and speed #geoWebChat

@mhaklay 1:38pm @pierzen thanks! We also found that experience influence end-user interface config for productivity discovery.ucl.ac.uk/7902/ #geowebchat

@pierzen 1:41pm @re_sieber #geowebchat tools not enough. We need goals, thematics relevant to the community. Otherwise this means nothing

@re_sieber 1:46pm .@pierzen Exact! The challenge is to embed goals, thematics relevance in our tools to better empower #geowebchat Still skeptical, though.

@mpmckenna8 1:48pm I think #geoWebChat officially goes till 14:00 pst, or < 15 mins so make closing statements if you have ‘em. I’ll keep following after tho.

@mpmckenna8 1:50pm Glad it seems more people would rather see $ spent on community development for open data projects than straight data input. #geoWebChat

@pierzen 1:52pm @re_sieber #geowebchat Challenge is for the people to use tools appropriately for example, Territory management, disaster prepardness .

@wisemana 1:59pm @re_sieber @disruptivegeo @pierzen @mpmckenna8 @hotosm empower to do what? mappers formed two local orgs & some got mapping jobs #geowebchat

@mpmckenna8 2:02pm I guess #geoWebChat officially went for 1 hour but thanks for keeping me entertained for 2! Hope to see you all again in 2 weeks.

@pierzen 2:09pm @wisemana #geowebchat emerging economy, needs different strategy including paid work incentives. Network with univ students also interest.

@mappingmashups 3:16pm Apropos #geowebchat, the Institute for Geomatics is having a summer school about “Gamifying Spatial Collaboration” uni-muenster.de/Geoinformatics…

@mappingmashups 3:27pm During #geowebchat @mpmckenna8 shared a failed Wikipedia proposal about paid edits, but this one is still active: meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_…

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Next #geowebchat, March 18: Paid Contributions in #OpenData Projects with guest host @mpmckenna8

The next #geowebchat will be on Tuesday, March 18 for one hour, starting at 12pm PDT, 3pm EDT, 7pm GMT. (Note the time change due to Daylight Savings Time in the US)

[Guest post: reposted from Matthew McKenna's blog]

The World Wide Web was conceptualized at CERN to help scientists collaborate on a project in which a bunch of people had to share a lot of information to try to make sense of it.  Since then, I’d argue the internet’s main contribution to humanity is the ability of almost anyone to access or share amounts of data at a scale that only science fiction writers would have imagined 50 years ago.

Wikipedia, which is part of the Wikimedia Foundation, is one of the best examples of a tricky collaborative data project and it has faced a lot of hurdles to gain the acceptance it enjoys today. Likely the biggest detractor to Wikipedia is special interest editors who are pushing a certain view because if others adopt that view they think they will benefit financially. For this reason Wikimedia is amending their terms of use with the reasons being given on the following page:


Maybe other collaborative data projects should consider something similar?

I’d like to pick up my editing game on Wikimedia (in a voluntary capacity), but lately I’ve been spending more time on the collaborative mapping project OpenStreetMap (OSM).  The community around it is great, but at times it seems like the map is driven by people with financial interests in it.  With many of the edits in areas I’ve looked at coming from employees of companies (such as Mapbox) making use of OSM data.  Most of the time it’s even posted in the User Profile that the given user works for the given company and there should be even more people who depend on the quality of OSM data.

Along with the highest number of contributions of edits coming from people with a financial interest in OSM I’ve also seen the highest number of edits which hurt the quality of the map and its data. That’s not to say that intentions aren’t usually good, but if I wasn’t good at complaining on social media and Mapbox staff ignored me I’d probably be done helping OpenStreetMap and would feel as inclined to use Google MapMaker.

I hope this #GeoWebChat can transcend just geo a bit and discuss what happens as collaborative data projects on the internet go from mostly volunteerism to having dollar driven interests also involved.

I’d especially like to hear experiences either as a paid helper of OSM (they’ve made a lot of the map possible and even more usable) or a volunteer who feels it’s just not an accessible community for beginners. Or people who think beginners might just use Google MapMaker at this point.

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#geowebchat transcript: 4 March 2014: Favorite maps, favorite apps #favemapfaveapp

@re_sieber Mar 02, 11:18pm .@mappingmashups if you have no topic; the #geowebchat could be my fave map; my fave app. #paleogo & #neogeo

@mappingmashups Mar 03, 12:23pm Tomorrow on #geowebchat: share your favorite map and/or map app! Join us, Tuesday March 4, 12pm PST #favemapfaveapp

@re_sieber Mar 03, 8:11pm To jumpstart #favemapfaveapp on #geowebchat: 22 Maps That Explain The Centuries-Long Conflict In Ukraine talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/22-maps-t…

@mappingmashups Mar 04, 11:01am On #geowebchat, we’re sharing our fave maps of all time. What’s on your “desert island” map playlist? Join today at noon! #favemapfaveapp

@mappingmashups Mar 04, 11:03am I’ll pick @enf’s Locals and Tourists maps as among my favorites of all time: flickr.com/photos/walking… #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/w2FW9DQZkS

@mappingmashups Mar 04, 11:04am .@enf’s Locals & Tourists maps are not only beautiful, but they also tell us so much about cities and how people use them. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Mar 04, 11:07am Also @enf’s twist to deduce Locals/Tourists from patterns not visible at first. Differentiates from other social media maps. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Mar 04, 11:09am I feel like I could teach a whole class about urbanism and about social media using nothing but flickr.com/photos/walking…. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Mar 04, 11:11am Tweet your #favemap/#faveapp during #geowebchat today, and tell us _why_ they’re your favorite! Will post summary at mappingmashups.net

@marisagreen Mar 04, 11:20am @mappingmashups I don’t have just one #favemap – I have a whole Pinterest board: pinterest.com/mwg25/i-love-m… #geowebchat

@evanlandman Mar 04, 11:26am I love pdxlivebus.com #favemap #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 11:52am @marisagreen Fabulous counter-pinning: RT I don’t have just one #favemap – I have a whole Pinterest board pinterest.com/mwg25/i-love-m… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 11:59am My #favemap: Minard’s map of Napoleon’s disastrous march to Russia. Concise, hi dens info, comprehensible #geowebchat en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mina…

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:01pm Start the tweeting: #myfavemapmyfaveapp #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:03pm #myfaveapp is actually the suite of tools @ d3js.org #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Mar 04, 12:03pm @re_sieber Here’s some revisions of Minard’s map datavis.ca/gallery/re-min… #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Mar 04, 12:05pm @tilemill / beautiful web maps / free / open-source / responsive, friendly devs / great docs / #myfaveapp #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:05pm .@sidewalkballet And datavis.ca/gallery/re-min… doesn’t try to distort (eg w georegistration) the beauty of the map #geowebchat

@SeanGorman Mar 04, 12:06pm @re_sieber here is a fun interactive version of Minard’s map humangeo.github.io/leaflet-dvf/ex… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:08pm Books containing #myfavemap Else/Where, You are Here. Maps don’t have to be georegistered or be warped to fit Google Earth #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:14pm #myfavemap or is it #myfaveapp (paleo edition) polynesian navigation charts webodysseum.com/history/polyne… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:14pm #myfavemap book Chief Kerry’s Moose: A Guidebook to Land Use and Occupancy Mapping, Research Design and Data Collection #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Mar 04, 12:16pm One of some #myfavemap: identical place names across America — not many unique names, it seems fakeisthenewreal.org/conpl/ #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Mar 04, 12:17pm it’s hard to keep all of those great maps that I Find organized: I have them on @Pinboard , local bookmarks, evernote, #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:18pm #myfavemap (well, GIS data): The Middle Earth Digital Elevation Model Project me-dem.org #geowebchat

@mjfoster83 Mar 04, 12:20pm I second the vote for @tilemill. Great, useful application. #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:20pm @skorasaurus @Pinboard @marisagreen Great idea to pin #myfavemap s (And, given pushpins, also recursive!) #geowebchat

@skorasaurus Mar 04, 12:21pm wondering if #geowebchat is a little quiet today b/c: we’re all doing taxes and staring in awe at others’ maps.

@MapHugger Mar 04, 12:22pm #geowebchat I’ve already written a whole essay on #myfavemap : maphugger.com/post/253031274…

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:24pm How about map couture w these fab historical map dresses? teacupsandcouture.com/?p=12926 #geowebchat

@erictheise Mar 04, 12:27pm don’t have a favorite map/app to share but did you know phone mapping while driving was ruled ok in cali? qub.me/VqTKnp #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Mar 04, 12:29pm I spy one of these bibliodyssey.blogspot.ca/2008/10/river-… on those map dresses–maybe not maps, but I dig ‘em regardless. #myfavemap #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:30pm .@erictheise there has to be a recursion joke somewhere in phone mapping while driving:”But I was “watching” the road, officer!” #geowebchat

@erictheise Mar 04, 12:33pm the phone is not the territory, @re_sieber #geowebchat

@mjfoster83 Mar 04, 12:35pm they arent beacons of design, but ive always had a strange affinity for the USGS quads, especially early 20th century versions #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:42pm @mjfoster83 I love UK Ord Survey Maps. Incredible detail; makes you feel you can find the smallest details. I still get lost #geowebchat

@pinakographos Mar 04, 12:45pm #geowebchat I wrote a review of #myfavemap in CP (@NACIS_CP): cartographicperspectives.org/index.php/jour…

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:45pm No votes for waze or foursquare for #myfaveapp? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:47pm @pinakographos @NACIS_CP That’s a great review & a beautiful map #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Mar 04, 12:52pm @re_sieber eh I think waze is kinda ugly despite having some good features, usually just use traffic in googlemaps #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:54pm Some of #myfaveapp s are location guessing games like geoguessr.com and locatestreet.com/game.php #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:56pm Never got into geocaching but friends really like geocaching.com/live/ #myfaveapp #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 12:58pm Any last #myfavemap s, #myfaveapp s? #geowebchat

@erictheise Mar 04, 1:00pm most of my favorite maps are on paper (in flat files). always loved the grande randonnée hiking map of france #geowebchat

@re_sieber Mar 04, 1:00pm Thanks everyone for today’s #geowebchat on #myfavemap, #myfaveapp. Small but fun. Pls continue to tweet, pin your maps&apps.

@kennethfield Mar 04, 1:02pm During 2014 we’re doing a daily blog of ‘favourites’ at the ICA Map Design site mapdesign.icaci.org #geowebchat

@sidewalkballet Mar 04, 1:03pm #myfavemap is a heavily annotated, worn and torn paper road map #nostalgia #roadtrip #geowebchat

@mattdance Mar 04, 1:58pm If we’re getting all nostalgic. 1:50000 NTS maps of Ontario with canoe routes & other annotations added. #geowebchat #frenchriver

@mattdance Mar 05, 1:27pm Fellow GeoNerds. If you have not done so already, check out #geowebchat to see some #favemap posts. Nice selection of work.

@re_sieber Mar 05, 4:45pm SimCity strictly for transit geeks: Build your own subway system animalnewyork.com/2014/build-sub… #myfaveapp #geowebchat

@michael_d_gould Mar 06, 12:04am #myfavapp #geowebchat Flightaware allows search by aircraft, so all the B777-300ERs: es.flightaware.com/live/aircraftt…

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#geowebchat transcript: 18 February 2014: the geography of #lifelogging

@mappingmashups Feb 12, 3:01pm @re_sieber So, should I put “the geoweb and lifelogging” on the #geowebchat calendar for Feb 18?

@re_sieber Feb 12, 6:15pm @mappingmashups sure, why not lifelogging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 6:19pm To get a good perspective on the future of lifelogging, read the #sf novel, The Light of Other Days en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 12, 7:05pm First #sf novel assigned as #geowebchat reading: MT @re_sieber: the future of lifelogging: The Light of Other Days en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light…

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:24pm Lifelogging=documenting the minutia of your life + the cloud. Pogue says be wary of the latter scientificamerican.com/article/were-f… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:25pm Lifelogging: if you keep your life on the cloud, what happens when your life gets the blue screen of death? #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:27pm What’s the Clippy version of fitbit? “It looks like you’re having a heart attack”? #lifelogging #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:28pm Is a lifelogged on the cloud, life on a leash? scientificamerican.com/article/were-f… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 12, 7:31pm Interesting tension btwn the performative (instagram what I eat) & the real (fitbit) in lifelogging. Can’t easily fake heartrate #geowebchat

@razsc Feb 13, 9:10am @re_sieber Yes! Also, this: research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/defa… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 13, 12:17pm RT @spara: Another case for life logging medium.com/p/9f53ef6a1c10 #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 1:38pm Just in time for our #geowebchat on #lifelogging: 10 things you need to know about lifelogging themorningsun.com/article/zz/201…

@re_sieber Feb 13, 1:42pm What lifelogging looks like in an infographic rossscrivener.co.uk/blog/life-logg… #geowebchat Is it just me or is this #TMI?

@anabrandusescu Feb 13, 1:52pm @re_sieber tmi. voluntary participation in this level of tracking/surveillance is beyond me #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 2:01pm Another technology for #lifelogging: the narrative clip. Time+location+photos @ regular intervals slashgear.com/narrative-clip… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 2:09pm Lifelogging”creates generatn gap btwn those w blinds closed &those w glass house who play catch w stones” npr.org/templates/stor… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 2:59pm .@steveliang you should bring your expertise on the Internet of Things to our #geowebchat on #lifelogging Tues, 1pm MT

@re_sieber Feb 13, 3:24pm Can’t talk about #lifelogging without referring to one of its pioneers–Steve Mann blog.getnarrative.com/tag/lifegloggi… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 13, 5:27pm In preparation for Tues #geowebchat on #lifelogging & yet another excuse for #sf, participants could watch Star Trek, S4E11 Data’s Day

@re_sieber Feb 13, 10:27pm A new app for #lifelogging, or rather the quantified self mvmt: bellabeat techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/mee… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 14, 12:09am If we can retain real memories w #lifelogging what ab false memories? See #sf Total Recall or We Can Remember It 4 You Wholesale #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Feb 14, 12:49pm Next #geowebchat: The Geography of Lifelogging. Guest host: @re_sieber mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the… Tues Feb 18, 12pm PST

@mappingmashups Feb 14, 12:51pm @aaronpk @caseorganic you (or someone you know) might be interested in our upcoming #geowebchat about lifelogging: mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the…

@mappingmashups Feb 17, 2:21pm Tomorrow (Tuesday) at 12pm PST: #geowebchat about #lifelogging lead by @re_sieber. Food for thought here: mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the…

@re_sieber 10:14am In anticipation of today’s #geowebchat on #lifelogging, a patent for archiving experiences based on geographic cues google.com/patents/US2009…

@mappingmashups 10:20am Today (Tuesday) on #geowebchat we’re discussing #lifelogging. More info: mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the… Join us at 12pm PST, 3pm EST, 8pm GMT.

@re_sieber 10:24am Re #lifelogging #geowebchat, pure.ltu.se/portal/files/4… “Reminisc’g prev locs tgthr tightens soc bonds.” Must everythg digital strengthen ties?

@re_sieber 10:26am I’m increasingly convinced that geography is the low hanging fruit of archiving, categorizing any #bigdata, inc #lifelogging. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 10:43am In anticipation of today’s #geowebchat, categorizing #lifelogging by where a person lingers pure.ltu.se/portal/files/4… Hm, lifelogging flaneurs.

@re_sieber 10:45am @scottbellSK: we’re #geowebchat-ting today at 3pmET on #lifelogging

@bricker 11:13am #geowebchat @nytimes Fitbit Review nyti.ms/1a2jIDq conclusion matches that of Kessler 2011 #CaGIS who cares? No one looking.

@re_sieber 12:01pm Welcome to the #geowebchat on #lifelogging

@mappingmashups 12:01pm Hello everyone, welcome to today’s #geowebchat about #lifelogging. @re_sieber has posted a some Qs to get us started: mappingmashups.net/2014/02/14/the…

@re_sieber 12:02pm First question for #geowebchat: Are you #lifelogging? If so, how?

@re_sieber 12:02pm Are you instagramming meals, using fitbit, posting status updates, social checkins? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:03pm Also, welcome lurkers to #geowebchat. It’s your chance to tweet hello.

@erictheise 12:04pm i have 12,156 4sq checkins; when i find the right gadget, i’ll probably capture fitness data #lifelogging #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:04pm .@floraandflying, how are you lifelogging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:06pm @erictheise What drives you to #lifelogging? Is it ab capturing geography? #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:06pm i also belong to a #QuantifiedSelf meetup (meetup.com/quantifiedself/) but have only attended one or two meetings #geowebchat

@underdarkGIS 12:06pm If I would be lifelogging, I wouldn’t put the data in the cloud. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:07pm @re_sieber Does it still count as #lifelogging if you are purposely giving incorrect information? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:07pm @re_sieber I’ve found when I do #lifelogging, I rarely look at the data later. The immediate social aspects more gratifying. #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:07pm @re_sieber @mappingmashups Hi from NYC & the ether. Happy to join this #geowebchat!

@erictheise 12:07pm it’s about augmenting memory, @re_sieber, geography is part of it, but assisting recall is the driver #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:08pm that’s #lieLogging, @AngharadStone #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:09pm #geowebchat I’m into #lifelogging ‘lite’ & have been mostly instagramming these days tho was an early adopter of twitter, 4square, etc.

@re_sieber 12:09pm .@AngharadStone Throwing chaff into wind usage of #lifelogging is fascinating. Highlights tension btwn real (fitbit)&performance #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:10pm @mappingmashups What are the immediate social benies of #lifelogging if not reexamining the data? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:11pm @funksoup @mappingmashups Hi from NYC as well (112th&Broadway) #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:11pm #geowebchat @erictheise it’s abt augmenting memory but also sourcing the hive. As Deleuze might say: reaching out beyond our sound walls

@eramirez 12:12pm #geowebchat Saw you’re talking about lifelogging & location. Check out a vis of 3.5yrs of 4sq checkins reddit.com/r/dataisbeauti… by @johnschrom

@mappingmashups 12:12pm @re_sieber @AngharadStone perhaps whether or not you’d lie distinguishes personal #lifelogging from social media performance? #geowebchat

@enf 12:13pm @re_sieber I’ve been carrying around a GPS receiver for ages, the main result being things like flickr.com/photos/2443138… #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:13pm @re_sieber, immediate benefits include knowing that @mappingmashups is at the grocery co-op at the same time i’m there. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:14pm @erictheise so was your check-in at the Four Square church a #lielog? (has been bothering me for ages) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 12:15pm @re_sieber comparing own immediate performance to others (like on @Strava)… Is that #lifelogging or just a diff use of tool! #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:16pm ha ha, @AngharadStone, that was completely for real, i even included a picture of the church of foursqare #geowebchat

@spara 12:16pm If you had an Android phone and gmail, Google would conveniently provide track of you movements #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:17pm .@mappingmashups @Strava so #lifelogging is performance as opposed to performativity (eg on social media)? #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:18pm @mappingmashups @re_sieber sorry could you explain social media performance? #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:18pm #lifelogging proves innocence in #lieLogging charge: foursquare.com/erictheise/che… #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:19pm #geowebchat Immediate benefits of #lifelogging=immediacy of feedback/rscs & linking the physical to the digital

@spara 12:20pm Devices like Google Glass and Narrative life catalog your POV vs devices such as FitBit that catalog your reaction. Data fusion #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:21pm @AngharadStone @mappingmashups Performance-soc media is person you want to be, not person you are. Warrior not couch tater #geowebchat

@wilsonism 12:22pm #geowebchat I tend to think of #lifelogging as just another permutation of conspicuous mobility, a new tactic for the waning #checkin

@re_sieber 12:22pm Q2: 2. Where’s the geography in all of this #lifelogging? Or is it all ab time (eg @ericthiese)? #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:25pm @re_sieber where you would have got a map made of your “empire”, now your #lifelog is your “empire” #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:27pm @AngharadStone #lifelogging becomes your terra cognito, your discovering territory #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:28pm @AngharadStone When you are totally captured only then can you evoke total ownership of your #lifelogging territory? #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:29pm #geowebchat Bringing in dimension of geography ties physical place to digital space in concrete way. Re-defines how we can ‘touch’

@re_sieber 12:30pm pure.ltu.se/portal/files/4… proposes activity identification, segmentation from point clusters. Lingering determines place #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:30pm #geowebchat mobile geographies and the travelling self – documented stories both fiction and fact for some and all that want to listen?

@geothinkca 12:31pm #geowebchat – Humboldt documented the other over there – now we document ourselves right here…or there

@spara 12:31pm The problem with #lifelogging is that all your data goes to the device manufacturer by default. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:32pm Big challenge in #lifelogging is categ, archiving #bigdata. Hence use of geog to create value shoud ppl recollect their data #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:33pm @spara chx out feltron.com no device need on the extreme end. #geowebchat – but easy and access are king.

@re_sieber 12:33pm .@geothinkca #lifelogging as the internal geography, the sinews of our personal cartography #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:35pm .@spara mentions the corporate capture of #lifelogging, good lead-in into Q3: What are the implications of #lifelogging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:37pm Q2. recap: I thought #geowebchat’ers would talk tech w regards to #lifelogging geographies. Instead it’s personal cartographies.

@geothinkca 12:37pm @re_sieber well then #geowebchat internal sure – interpreted by outside absolutely – either one or the other at any point probably not

@floraandflying 12:37pm @re_sieber damn, too late. I’m instagramming. uploading to flickr and putting in a 365 collection & geotagging some locs. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:38pm @re_sieber and for fitness (such that it is), Fitbit records my activity or lack of it. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:38pm @re_sieber @spara Should we be worried about the implications of #lifelogging? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:39pm .@floraandflying What’s the implication of all your #lfelogging via instagram sharing? #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:40pm @re_sieber #geowebchat Implications of #lifelogging:privacy of course & obsolescence – what happens if/when that platform/svc goes belly up?

@geothinkca 12:40pm @AngharadStone @re_sieber @spara #geowebchat will we be required to produce annual reports like annual income taxes? feltron.com

@re_sieber 12:41pm .@floraandflying fitbit records the memory of your Ernest activity #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:41pm @re_sieber could you expand your recap of q2? i don’t understand what you’re saying about your expectations. #geowebchat

@spara 12:41pm @re_sieber @floraandflying We analyze instagram photos and get data from them. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:42pm @geothinkca @AngharadStone @spara Will we have to reconcile our fitbit activity to our New Year’s resolutions? #geowebchat #MyTechnologyLies

@funksoup 12:42pm #geowebchat @re_sieber Also, our #lifelogging is subject to the constantly changing landscape of TOS’s. #OurDataIsNotOurOwn

@floraandflying 12:42pm @re_sieber nothing really. Just like to remember where I have been and what shoes I was wearing. Emerging patterns too. #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:43pm @spara @re_sieber @floraandflying #geowebchat – cool Feature detection, meta-tags – other – all the above?

@floraandflying 12:43pm @re_sieber yes. that too! #geowebchat

@spara 12:43pm @re_sieber @geothinkca @AngharadStone If you want to measure progress, then yes. #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:43pm @spara @re_sieber Spara – need to learn more about this. Let’s connect. #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:43pm @spara @re_sieber @AngharadStone #geowebchat – Yikes – I just got an eerie feeling.

@re_sieber 12:44pm @erictheise I thought #geowebchat’ers would primarily talk on mashing up #lifelogging maps. Instead more imaginary, personal mappings.

@floraandflying 12:44pm @geothinkca @spara @re_sieber location info, mood – interior – cranky, exterior/outdoors – happy? Weather? #geowebchat

@spara 12:45pm @floraandflying @geothinkca @re_sieber most of those things, there’s a lot of data in photos that’s not currently being used #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:46pm In an era of total capture, measure of a man via heartrate, can I be my imagined WOW self? My aspiration, not my reality #geowebchat

@floraandflying 12:46pm @spara @geothinkca @re_sieber people, metadata is the new black and our photos even machine tags have a lot of useful info. #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:46pm @floraandflying @spara @re_sieber #geowebchat Would really like to get with you on that after the chat! Sounds intriguing!

@spara 12:46pm #geowebchat I’m currently analyzing happening after-hours venues for SXSW

@geothinkca 12:47pm #geowebchat I currently make sure I try to erase my logs as I make them – count?

@re_sieber 12:47pm Prize in social network analysis is capturing actual behavior, not perception. #lifelogging (esp ambient kind) allows that #geowebchat

@spara 12:48pm #geowebchat Here’s what we analyze from Instagram photos petewarden.com/2013/12/04/wha…

@re_sieber 12:49pm #lifelogging (eg w Google Glass) can create new redlining. “Hey nobody seems to go here. So I won’t.” #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:50pm @re_sieber removes the self-identity bias when out of our control (i.e., set it and forget it) logging. #geowebchat

@AngharadStone 12:51pm @re_sieber @erictheise “the act of #lifelogging is the “invasion” visualizing it afterward is the marking of our “empire” #geowebchat

@erictheise 12:51pm also the hipster/yogi berra version, @re_sieber, ‘hey everybody seems to go here, so i won’t”. #geowebchat

@geothinkca 12:51pm @spara moustache people as catagories!@!@!@! amazing! #geowebchat

@spara 12:52pm #geowebchat Some preliminary hexbinning of SXSW from Instagram data pic.twitter.com/Zcj7XF22TY

@re_sieber 12:54pm .@spara @AngharadStone “my lifelog is boring” sounds lk “I have nothing to hide.” Spurious correl can tell something ab you #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:55pm Final thoughts on any questions re #lifelogging inc Q4. What happens if your digital diary is damaged? #geowebchat

@funksoup 12:56pm @spara re: hexbinning SXSW – Nice. Assuming the darker orange bits are where the serious parties are. ;) #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:57pm @re_sieber If #lifelogging site goes down in future will that be digital Alzheimers? #geowebchat

@re_sieber 12:59pm Future privacy implications of #lifelogging. Pervasive CCTVs could partially explain ASBO beh in UK. “What do I have to lose?” #geowebchat

@spara 12:59pm @funksoup #geowebchat Correct, that’s where the most photos were taken from midnight to 5:00 AM for the entire event

@geothinkca 1:00pm @re_sieber internettimemachine and never forget you were in better shape last year! #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:00pm Thanks everyone for a fun hour on #lifelogging via #geowebchat. Be sure to create an entry ab this twitter event in your own lifelog. ;-)

@erictheise 1:01pm hmmm, we didn’t explicitly mention self-censorship in #lifelogging. skipping bad workouts and dubious checkins. #geowebchat

@re_sieber 1:01pm Feel free to continue the conversation on #lifelogging #geowebchat

@spara 1:01pm #geowebchat I highly recommend this episode of Black Mirror imdb.com/title/tt208905… when it comes to #lifelogging

@geothinkca 1:02pm thanks @re_sieber interesting chat! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:02pm Amazing episode! RT @spara: #geowebchat I highly recommend this episode of Black Mirror imdb.com/title/tt208905… when it comes to #lifelogging

@funksoup 1:02pm @re_sieber Thx for the #geowebchat! If we lifelog this #lifelogging event, will it create a rupture in the time-space continuum? #MetaMeta

@re_sieber 1:02pm @erictheise “self-censorship in #lifelogging” YES like strategic tracking apps like placeavoid #geowebchat

@mappingmashups 1:03pm Thanks @re_sieber for running a great #geowebchat! Next one will be in two weeks on March 4. Topic TBD.

@spara 1:04pm @mappingmashups This was also a great episode dealing with our digital detritus embodied imdb.com/title/tt229078… #geowebchat #lifelogging

@re_sieber 1:04pm & that’s why I prefer American #sf to UK RT @spara: #geowebchat I highly recommend this episode of Black Mirror imdb.com/title/tt208905…

@re_sieber 1:06pm @funksoup We can avoid rupture in the time-space continuum when lifelogging this #lifelogging event if we collect nec metadata #geowebchat

@funksoup 1:07pm @spara @mappingmashups re: digital detritus embodied -see also Eterni.me eterni.me #geowebchat #lifelogging

@spara 1:09pm @funksoup @mappingmashups The dream of apotheosis #geowebchat #lifelogging

@mpmckenna8 1:10pm Way cool @foursquare suggests users help edit @openstreetmap. Useful #lifelogging #geowebchat foursquare.com/about/osm

@Brobdingnag 2:26pm @re_sieber Yeah, I’m curious about what this means for safety. Lots of people here so it must be safe/notsafe #geowebchat

@re_sieber 2:37pm #lifelogging to visualize differences in air pollution city-to-city from @SenseableCity senseable.mit.edu/twolungs/ #geowebchat

@re_sieber 3:01pm Apple also wants entry into #lifelogging with its patents for sensors embedded in earbuds gizmodo.com/apples-fitness… #geowebchat

@re_sieber Feb 19, 12:53pm Google to Glass users: stop being glassholes washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-swit… #geosurveillance #geowebchat Forgot being a jerk 1 reason 4 #lifelogging

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Next #geowebchat: The Geography of Lifelogging or Dear Diary on Steroids, guest host: @re_sieber, Feb 18, 2014, 12pm PST

[Guest post by Renee Sieber]

What is lifelogging? You capture your personal data with computer hardware. More recently, this personal data also may be captured via services or apps and are maintained in the cloud. Unlike blogging, the capture is generally passive, like sleep patterns (e.g., Sleepbot) or travel habits (e.g., with Google Glass), although it can include mining from emails or online documents (or computer time–Rescue Time tracks the time you spend on your computer–see http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/what-is-lifelogging-and-why-should-you-do-it/).

To this point, Sellen and Whittaker (2010, 72, via http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/130843/p70-sellen.pdf)

“distinguish between lifelogging and other more deliberate activities involving the capture of personal data (such as digital photography and blogging) that involve the effortful selective capture and display of digital materials for a particular audience. In contrast, lifelogging seeks to be effortless and all-encompassing in terms of data capture.”

What technologies are involved or envisioned? Lifelogging can possibly be embedded in any number of devices (e.g., toothbrushes, shoes, shirt, toilets, fishing reels and other non-track sports equipment). It can be dedicated hardware like Fitbit or narrative clip. The most obvious hardware is your cellphone, which can track location or time; it can photograph or video your life. It can even monitor your battery usage. The device of the moment is Google Glass, which can capture searches, conversations, documents, and visual images. Software or apps can include Instagram (e.g., your meals), Google Docs, or Foursquare.

What are the goals of lifelogging? Sellen and Whitalker mention five:

  • recollecting (e.g., reliving the experience, perhaps to accommodate a memory impairment)
  • reminiscing (similar to the nostalgia of “home movies”)
  • retrieving
  • reflecting (looking at archived data from different perspectives like past behaviour patterns)
  • remembering what needs to be/should be done

I’d add a few more:

  • improving (e.g., language skills, driving, running, weight, in home energy usage)
  • obsessing with the minute to minute personal observation (narcissism) — the quantified self movement
  • digital hoarding
  • sharing your tracks (also called life caching). There are several possible motivations for this:
    • a deep drive to express oneself
    • performing (a kind of digital acting broadcast to an audience, e.g., via instagram)
    • guilt and shaming (e.g., what women aren’t supposed to be eating or where they shouldn’t be going, cf. Dobson and Fisher’s (2003) concept of geoslavery, http://gis.lanecc.edu/gtft/gtft_readings/gtft_reading_wk3/geoslavery.pdf)
    • altruism (with patientslikeme, cure together, sharing tracked personal medical information to improve collective understanding of medication conditions)
    • keeping in touch (but should you share all these details, indulgences, intimacy with your loved ones?)
    • getting money (maybe you’re a patient 0 of some type? Maybe you’re an Olympic athlete whose patterns others seek to emulate)
    • learning from others (e.g., their logged data such as successful romance patterns)

Here are questions we can cover in the twitter chat:

1. How and why are you logging your life? How deliberate is your lifelogging? Do you need to wear the device or take the photo? Is there iLifelogging (where the i stands for involuntary)?

Consider that lifelogging could cover (depending on what you read):

  • email, chats, documents, credit cards, websites visited
  • archives (photos, book lists, e.g., in librarything)
  • your own shopping patterns (Amazon Prime)
  • ambient tracking (on or off your person): home temperature, cellphone battery usage, traffic congestion (from your in car navigation), door openings (office, refrigerator); travel patterns (e.g., from your own Oyster card)
  • biometric tracking (your heart rate)

Does the technology choice matter in expressing yourself?

2. Where’s the geography in all of this?

Lifelogging appears to be predominantly a temporal activity, as opposed to a geographic activity. Via lifelogging we have a timeline, when we can not only look backwards but also forward through time in a kind of predictive modeling. We can apply this also to place (e.g., organize and archive activities by place; examine the different things I did at the same place; examine the seasonality of a place in terms of activities; create a shortest path analyses through space and time). See http://pure.ltu.se/portal/files/40259696/KB12_StructuringPresentingLifelogs_TR.pdf. We could use spatial techniques to conduct a social network analysis or a self organizing map of lifelogging.

3. What is the future of lifelogging? What are its implications?

The first possible future (present?) is a complete loss of privacy: the surveilled and profiled life. The sf book Light of Other Days (Baxter and Clarke) speculate about a life without privacy and the outrageous behaviour provoked by that loss. If your life is completely open; what do you have to lose in terms of your behaviour (I think Baxter and Clarke, being British, were thinking of ASBOs)? Maybe privacy shouldn’t be our primary concern. Like oversharing on social networking sites, this could be a generational issue that only non-lifelogging natives (i.e., old fogeys) worry about. Conversely, Steve Mann (the father of wearable computers) talks of sousveillance, the ability to counter surveillance with a watching of our own. If we’re to lose privacy then lifelogging could restore control of our patterns to us.

If we engage in a near total capture of our lives then we’d need the ability to forget or to blank out places we don’t want recorded (e.g., placeavoid). Unfortunately, the ability to avoid could become the new place discriminator. Our activities determine the “right and wrong” places to go. By crowdsourcing, we produce the new redlining (i.e., the red line around this neighbourhood represents a no go zone). This is more insidious than our tweets and facebook posts. We may express more liberal attitudes regarding place; our actual behaviour tells a more conservative story.

In the cloud, you are the consumer (or in the case of lifelogging, the tracker). But you are also the product. Lifelogging offers new opportunities for data mining and valuation of a new source of big data. A totally captured life is a monetizable life. If so then what part of your life is not monetized? Perhaps there are benefits to the total capture lifeloggers, those with the luxury of time and money to log. Consider perks that are available to those with high KLOUT and KRED scores. These benefits would be unavailable to those with reduced resources (unless maybe they’d be willing to lease their lives for lifelogging).

More benignly, Web 2.0 allows you to managing multiple and possibly conflicting roles, relationships, and identities in life. You can be performative rather than real. Indeed your performance may be more authentic than your day-to-day mundane activities. It could be expressed in strategic tracking, for example turning on the trackers when you’re visiting an exciting place but not when you’re denting the couch cushions.

But lifelogging, especially total capture, can interject real life measures. For instance, you may claim membership in an elite class of long distance runners but your heart rate may tell a different story. We’re all allowed a certain level of exaggeration in our lives. Certainly our avatars in MMORPGs suggest outsized identities. But for some segments of society (the closeted gay, the disabled), the reveal of the real could be devastating.

Lastly, if lifelogging allows us to capture “real” memories then why can’t we acquire false memories? Philip K Dick imagined this in We Can Remember It for You Wholesale, which was later made into the film, Total Recall. We don’t have the technology yet to make memory capture and recall a complete cyborg activity but we could imagine a time in which our past is augmented with a juiced up version of our boring life.

4. What happens if your digital diary is damaged?

What happens to you when a part of the cloud goes down; an app goes bankrupt; a device is no longer upwardly compatible; or the service denies you access? Your memory and the patterns of your life can no longer be totally recalled.


As always, #geowebchat will be held on Twitter for one hour, starting at 12pm PST, 3pm EST, 8pm GMT, on Tuesday February 18, 2014. We look forward to chatting with you!

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