#geowebchat transcript, 7 October 2014: The geoweb and time


@mappingmashups Oct 05, 5:32pm Next #geowebchat topic: “The Geoweb and Time”, inspired by theme for #NACIS2014. Join us 12pm PDT, 3pm EDT, 20:00 BST, Tue Oct 7. Pls RT!

@TheMapSmith Oct 07, 5:06am Driving to #nacis2014 during #geowebchat, so heres a great article by @kennethfield about Esri’s carto-temporal tools blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi…

@kennethfield Oct 07, 5:39am Saves me tweeting it. Thanks :) MT @TheMapSmith #geowebchat, a great articleabout Esri’s carto-temporal tools blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi…

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 11:46am Relevant to Geoweb & Time: #geowebchat RT @mrogati: Your body doesn’t care about timezones jawbone.com/blog/circadian… pic.twitter.com/p9OLALvP2I

@maptimestl Oct 07, 11:50am Love maps? Get to know the hashtag #geowebchat – next discussion is “The Geoweb and Time” & starts in 10 minutes.

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:01pm Starting now on #geowebchat: Cartography and Time (specifically The Geoweb and Time). Special #NACIS2014-themed chat! How do _you_ map time?

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:02pm As usual with #geowebchat, make sure you include the hashtag in all your tweets. Try something like tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat to follow along

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:04pm A view min ago I posted this interesting @Jawbone viz about timezones & sleep. #geowebchat jawbone.com/blog/circadian… pic.twitter.com/p9OLALvP2I

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:06pm Interesting point #geowebchat MT @briantimoney: 2015 Year of Small Multiples pic.twitter.com/BI8PGhOzJE (very few use your time slider anyway)

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:06pm The @Jawbone viz is also an example of time on a static map. Now with the Geoweb animations are easier to do… #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:08pm where does “(very few use your time slider anyway)” come from @eleanortutt? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:08pm @eleanortutt @briantimoney Okay, we have our first #geowebchat prediction of 2015! Small Multiples! One my my faves: bost.ocks.org/mike/drought/

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:08pm (concerned as i am right now building something with a time slider) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:12pm @eleanortutt @briantimoney Now I realize that @mbostock drought example uses animation _and_ small multiples. But no slider! #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:12pm @erictheise Honestly not sure. That was all @briantimoney. I personally like time sliders, but his tweet was thought provoking. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:16pm One newish tool for mapping time on the web is @cartoDB’s torque. For example, this @GuardianData viz theguardian.com/news/datablog/… #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:17pm would want to back up that conjecture with data. actually i wonder if the stuff @geo_will is working on would vet that. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:17pm @erictheise Add a way to track slider use & prove him wrong! #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:18pm INSTRUMENT ALL THE THINGS! #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:22pm (what @geo_will is working on being sliptics.com) #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:26pm MT @briantimoney analytics of web maps: people know to click on points, some pan/zoom, less familiar elements very little #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:28pm Has anyone in this #geowebchat mapped historical data? Some projects like OpenHistoricalMap haven’t really taken off wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Hist…

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:29pm my #NACIS2014 talk is about 1950s-60s era signs built by an albuquerque company, @mappingmashups, slider shows when/where built #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:30pm interesting to see the dispersion grow from albuquerque route 66 outward over time, as far as arizona and colorado #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Oct 07, 12:31pm @mappingmashups I’ve created data for the history of U.S. westward expansion and European country boundaries on the eve of WWII. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:31pm So @erictheise talk sounds amazing. Also, mostly b/c of content, I’m a fan of this historic NYC plan map: urbanreviewer.org #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:32pm also to see reinforcement of certain sign-dense stretches of major thoroughfares #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:33pm talk will show a number of their working drawings for the signs, color pencil and ink, @eleanortutt, those are quite striking. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:34pm @mappingmashups Maybe part of challenge w/ historical maps is handling data sources w/ diff availabilities in diff years #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:35pm @mappingmashups i.e., I know a building existed in 1940 & didn’t in 1970 – but that’s all I know. So what do I map for 1955? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:36pm @eleanortutt Yes, or whoever assembled that data might make assumptions for you. #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:37pm @mappingmashups To try & solve my own problem, I wonder if changes in layer opacity should be used more often…. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 12:38pm @eleanortutt Forex, was looking at this old @stamen proj hindsight.trulia.com/map/#lat=37.79… which has spike in 1900 (rounding err in data) #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:38pm remarkably deep spec for date/time w/fuzziness, @eleanortutt @mappingmashups, #EDTF, anyone know it? qub.me/c8fHIl #geowebchat

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 12:41pm @erictheise @mappingmashups Nope, but this could be helpful (or cause more pain). #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:42pm p.s. @geo_will confirms that sliptics would satisfy this use case (time slider usage by users) /cc @briantimoney #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:45pm learned about #EDTF in #geojsonld discussion , @sgillies’ project; few implementations, i gather, but thought thru @eleanortutt #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:47pm are your WWII maps online, @PetersonGIS? #geowebchat

@erictheise Oct 07, 12:51pm RT @sgillies @erictheise this too github.com/geojson/geojso… … #geowebchat

@PetersonGIS Oct 07, 12:53pm @erictheise Sadly no. The map is published in “The Guide to U.S. Foreign Policy” by McMahon. #geowebchat

@kennethfield Oct 07, 12:53pm I wrote some stuff about mapping time blogs.esri.com/esri/esri-insi… inc stuff in my #nacis2014 talk #geowebchat

@kennethfield Oct 07, 12:55pm following earlier thread, we’ve done couple of historical maps for WWI arcgis.com/apps/MapJourna… & WWII arcgis-content.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapJourna… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 1:00pm Thanks to everyone who joined today’s #geowebchat about cartography and time. Now I’m off to #NACIS2014 where I hope to see many of you f2f!

@erictheise Oct 07, 1:01pm also hope to see/meet folks at #NACIS2014. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 1:01pm Next #geowebchat will be in two weeks, on October 21. Topic TBD.

@eleanortutt Oct 07, 1:02pm Thanks @mappingmashups for hosting #geowebchat – that was fun!

@geovis_isprs Oct 07, 2:41pm Check the hashtag #geowebchat for some interesting geo-related discussions. Too late for today but you can still read it!

@mappingmashups Oct 07, 2:51pm Thanks! All archived at mappingmashups.net/geowebchat RT @geovis_isprs: Check the hashtag #geowebchat for some interesting geo-related discussions.

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OpenStreetMap and the Ada Initiative #osm4ada

Thanks to Kathleen Danielson, there is now an OpenStreetMap community campaign to donate money to the Ada Initiative. The Ada Initiative is a group doing important work supporting women in open technology and culture, and it would be great to see more connections between OpenStreetMap and Ada.

To donate to the #osm4ada campaign, click on this donation tracker widget:

Or go to https://supportada.org?campaign=openstreetmap.

To learn more about the diversity challenges OSM faces, watch these presentations by Alyssa Wright and Monica Stephens, for a start, and join the osm-diversity mailing list.

The current Ada Initiative campaign ends in three days, so donate now if you can!

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AAG 2015 CFP: OpenStreetMap Studies: Research Perspectives on a Decade of OSM

Muki Haklay and I are organizing a session at AAG 2015 about “OpenStreetMap Studies”, inspired by his recent blog post: “OpenStreetMap studies (and why VGI not equal OSM)

You can read our full CFP here: AAG 2015 CFP: OpenStreetMap Studies: Research Perspectives on a Decade of OSM. Submissions are due October 31!

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#geowebchat transcript, 16 September 2014: Hand-drawn maps part 2


@mappingmashups Sep 15, 10:41am Tomorrow on #geowebchat is hand-drawn-maps part 2: show & tell & critique. Bring examples of hand-made cartography! Tue, Sep 16, 12pm PDT.

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:01pm Hey everybody, welcome to another #geowebchat! We are resuming last week’s discussion about hand-drawn maps: mappingmashups.net/2014/09/02/geo…

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:02pm Today’s #geowebchat will go into depth w/ a few examples of hand-drawn maps in the digital age. Let’s show-and-tell some of your favorites!

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:03pm As always w/ #geowebchat, make sure to include the hashtag in all your tweets. Tools like this help you follow along tweetchat.com/room/geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:05pm Here’s a RT from last night via @mvexel for #geowebchat “@punkish: enough of this computer shit… old school punkish.org/Hand-Drawn-Maps

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:06pm Another for #geowebchat… does hand-drawn make more room for imagination? RT @re_sieber: Imaginary hand drawn maps pic.twitter.com/4BkFMo1lhZ

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:10pm hey all, i returned quite exhausted from @foss4g, but here are a few examples that popped to mind last time. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:15pm …it’s either very quiet for today’s #geowebchat, or my internet connection is failing me (which might be the case today).

@re_sieber Sep 16, 12:16pm Unfortunately, I teach right in the middle of #geowebchat so I can’t easily contribute this Fall

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:17pm I’m very much enjoying the latest Pencil style by @aj_ashton in @Mapbox Studio: a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/examples.a4… #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:17pm my examples are from fine arts; etchings by #EdRuscha of LA & SF street intersections crownpoint.com/artists/ruscha #geowebchat

@re_sieber Sep 16, 12:18pm Some resources “You are Here”, “Dictionary of Imaginary Places”, “Else/Where” #geowebchat (on break from class)

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:18pm RT @erictheise: in ’69 book club of calif published ‘designs on the land’ hand drawn maps from ranchers google.com/search?q=Desig… #geowebchat

@geodosu Sep 16, 12:18pm @mappingmashups @aj_ashton @Mapbox That is very nice #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:19pm some of his work with #mixografia, handmade paper/relief: mixographia.com/artist.php?bas… #geowebchat

@ebrelsford Sep 16, 12:21pm is today’s #geowebchat about anything particular within the umbrella of handdrawn maps?

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:21pm .@erictheise Those hand-drawn maps by ranchers are interesting in that the hand-drawnness helps communicate a connection w/ land #geowebchat

@SpatialProphet Sep 16, 12:21pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat I’ve a great “folk”map from Culebra PR.. in storage. Zzz #Dilapidated&DrunkRentalCarMerchantMakesForGoodMemories

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:23pm the color and line work in #EdRuscha LA/SF soft ground etchings pleases, size fits in hand, imagining impossible intersections. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:23pm @ebrelsford Last time on #geowebchat we talked abt the role of hand-drawn maps in the digital age. Today we’re hoping to dive into examples

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:23pm .@ebrelsford …so, which of these maps resonates w/ us for deeper inspection? What can we learn from it vis-a-vis the digital? #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Sep 16, 12:24pm @mappingmashups At The #VirginiaGIS Conference, One Of My Fave Hand Drawn Web Maps Is …ssine-moi-une-ville.makina-corpus.net/#14/43.5934/1…. #geowebchat

@ebrelsford Sep 16, 12:24pm i always come back to the maps by the surveillance camera players eg notbored.org/LES-2011.jpg #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:25pm yes, @mappingmashups, maps appear naive, but show deep familiarity w/landmarks & features. think ranchers all lost land anyway. #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 16, 12:25pm .@mappingmashups I’ll just point out that the CartoCSS “line-smooth” parameter is fake-hand-drawing-gold. farm8.staticflickr.com/7358/875612372… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:25pm .@ebrelsford Great example. So what does a hand-made map of surveillance do different from this: appliedautonomy.com/isee.html ? #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Sep 16, 12:26pm @mappingmashups Also Tons Of Cool Ones At comiccartography.tumblr.com #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:27pm @erictheise Contrast w/ of the recurring themes in PPGIS: that professional-looking maps help disadvantaged groups get heard. #geowebchat

@ebrelsford Sep 16, 12:28pm @mappingmashups good point, I think the data is related, actually! or at least that the players collected data for iSee #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:28pm naive or pro, odds pretty stacked against ranchers in california land grabs, @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:29pm some of the 92 maps that structure #PeterGreenaway’s #aWalkThroughH
google.com/search?q=peter… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:29pm .@ebrelsford Interesting. But emphasizing the data is hand-collected reclaims a sense of humanity and individuality, perhaps. #geowebchat

@ebrelsford Sep 16, 12:30pm @mappingmashups here being hand-drawn exposes the methodology, too. “oh, i could have done that.” #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:30pm .@ebrelsford Even tho that particular map (notbored.org/LES-2011.jpg) probably was made after the fact, not during data collection #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:33pm @erictheise So do hand-made maps communicate narrative differently, Eric? (Not having seen A Walk Through H yet) #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:35pm .@erictheise I’m wondering if hand-made maps communicate the time it took to make the map, while digital maps seem instantaneous #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:35pm #PeterGreenaway modifies his maps as the film progresses. the subtitle of the film is ‘the reincarnation of an ornithologist’
#geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:36pm Revealing my deepest nerd, I spent lot of time drawing D&D maps like this but with more detail upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm… #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:37pm when the deceased lingers, landmarks fade from map and endangers progression along underworld journey. #aWalkThroughH #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:37pm @spara But if you were growing up today, would you have made those maps digitally? In QGIS/TileMill/D3… or minecraft? ;) #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 16, 12:38pm when he over-accelerates, he gets stuck in a territory with no exit yet available and has to cycle aimlessly. #aWalkThroughH #geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:39pm @mappingmashups There are probably specific map generators for turn based games today. #geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:42pm I used to Traveler and now there’s a map server for it travellermap.com/?x=6.295&y=-28… #geowebchat

@billdollins Sep 16, 12:43pm @spara Same here. Spent hours on them. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:43pm So how about we take the last 15 minutes to look at the details of some of the artificial hand-drawn maps? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:45pm I’m admiring the similarities and differences between …ssine-moi-une-ville.makina-corpus.net/#15/43.5901/1…. and a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/examples.a4… #geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:47pm Way back when, Mapblast would generate driveline/beeline maps that looked a lot like what a person would draw #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:48pm I love how the @makinacorpus map uses post-its for labels, for extra realism: …ssine-moi-une-ville.makina-corpus.net/#15/43.5962/1…. #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/pmOlKqzIJ8

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:51pm You can see @makinacorpus using smthg like line-smooth as @vtcraghead mentioned …ssine-moi-une-ville.makina-corpus.net/#19/43.59922/1… #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/6eURNxCsIr

@spara Sep 16, 12:51pm An example strip maps buildinghistory.org/images/Ogilby1… AAA used to generate them when you asked for one. #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 16, 12:54pm .@mappingmashups @makinacorpus HOT LEGEND. Off-topic, but that’s a great example of a novel implementation in an interactive. #geowebchat

@spara Sep 16, 12:58pm I’ve always liked the AAA Triptiks google.com/search?q=aaa+s… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 12:59pm Well, we are reaching the end of another #geowebchat. Thanks for all the links, everybody! Transcript here soon: mappingmashups.net/geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 1:00pm Next #geowebchat is in 3 weeks, on Oct 7. The topic will be “Cartography and Time”, since that’s the theme of #NACIS which starts that week.

@mappingmashups Sep 16, 1:23pm RT @punkish: re Hand Drawn Maps (punkish.org/Hand-Drawn-Maps), search sucks but the battery life is infinite #geowebchat

@re_sieber Sep 16, 9:52pm Appropo of the #geowebchat discussion on hand-drawn maps:Richly Detailed Maps Give the Modern World a Victorian Twist gizmodo.com/these-richly-d…

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#geowebchat transcript, 2 September 2014: Hand-drawn maps


@danielledai Sep 02, 9:33am Hand-drawn maps #geowebchat w/@mappingmashups today, 12 PST. github.com/ddai/hand-draw… yay! #maps #cartography #drawing

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 11:17am Starting at noon today PDT: #geowebchat about hand-drawn #cartography in the digital age, with @danielledai! Join us in just a few minutes!

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:01pm Welcome everyone to today’s #geowebchat about hand-drawn cartography. Thanks @danielledai for helping lead the discussion today!

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:02pm Today’s #geowebchat is a spin-off from a recent @MaptimeSF meetup we had about hand-drawn maps. Did anyone joining us today also go to that?

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:03pm Thanks @mappingmashups! We hosted a @MaptimeSF on hand-drawn maps recently, resources/inspiration here: github.com/ddai/hand-draw… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:04pm As with any #geowebchat, make sure you include the hashtag in all your tweets so everyone can follow along.

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:06pm Question raised: what is the role of hand-drawn maps in the digital age? #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:06pm So, who attending our #geowebchat today has made any hand-drawn maps lately? For fun or for work (or anything else)?

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:09pm .@danielledai Do we think there’s been a resurgence in interest in hand-drawn maps because digital maps are so ubiquitous? #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:10pm i used to always start my class at @SFCB by having people draw a map of how they got there that day, then to share w/neighbor. #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:11pm by doing that, people became aware of inherent choices in mapmaking, what to exclude, scale, labeling, success in communication #geowebchat

@bdon Sep 02, 12:12pm @danielledai @mappingmashups #geowebchat see LineDrive by @magrawala ; hand-drawn generalizations for wayfinding graphics.stanford.edu/papers/routema…

@jonahadkins Sep 02, 12:12pm @mappingmashups Hand drawn exercise to help kids understand “layers”, without ever saying “layers” #geowebchat pic.twitter.com/8HTIchHfbf

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:12pm .@erictheise That’s also an exercise in mental mapping. Is there an inherent overlap between mental maps and hand-drawn maps? #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:14pm .@bdon @mappingmashups @magrawala Neat! This reminds me of @conveyal’s transitive.js work for line maps conveyal.com/blog/2014/04/2… #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:14pm .@mappingmashups @danielledai Yes, exactly! To note: 1/3rd of maps in the upcoming @NACIS_Atlas include hand-drawn elements #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:16pm @MapHugger Neat! Do you have examples online of these maps @NACIS_Atlas? @mappingmashups #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:18pm .@jonahadkins your example (& @erictheise’s) suggests that hand-making maps is a way to teach concretely about how maps are made #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:19pm .@jonahadkins @erictheise …so, construction of maps as a parallel to deconstructing maps. #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:19pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise Mental maps feel better hand-drawn vs digital. Makes the subjective nature of the map obvious #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:20pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise Mental maps as a first version of hand-drawn maps? Check this out: nytimes.com/2012/02/05/opi… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:20pm .@MapHugger @erictheise But it makes me wonder, is it just that digital maps are (still) so bad at rendering the subjective? #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:21pm @danielledai We haven’t revealed the full lineup, but there’s a peek at the table of contents here: atlasofdesign.org/purchase/ #geowebchat

@golandmark Sep 02, 12:21pm Hand-drawn maps when giving directions is much easier than explaining it only using words and road names #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:23pm .@mappingmashups @erictheise Digital can render subjectivity. But the soft/minimalist look most digital maps have don’t cut it #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:24pm digital maps can certainly render some subjectivities, but i think it’s expressiveness, & speed at expressiveness, they lack. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:26pm @MapHugger @erictheise That brings up another thing I’d like to talk about: digital maps that try to mirror hand-drawn styles #geowebchat

@geothinkca Sep 02, 12:26pm .@MapHugger @mappingmashups @erictheise Digital maps require some expertise/training/tools -inherently biasing the sample #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:27pm @mappingmashups @MapHugger @erictheise Yes. @stamen’s watercolor tiles & @Mapbox’s pencil tiles are quite delightful #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 02, 12:30pm @mappingmashups Because the only thing cooling than hand-drawing a map is pretending you did. flickr.com/photos/vtcragh… #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:30pm @mappingmashups I like ‘em. The digital-but-looks-traditional trend is also big in illustration and graphic design too. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:30pm .@danielledai Yeah, and I’m also thinking of projectlinework.org, or @mapmeld’s recent Vincent van Gogh style map #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:30pm Do digital maps with this styling replace hand-drawn maps? Are hand-drawn maps viewed more as art? #geowebchat @mappingmashups @erictheise

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:32pm .@danielledai And why do we all love these digitally-generated “hand-drawn” maps? Are they ever better than the real thing? #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 02, 12:33pm .@danielledai Lending credence to the idea of it as art, I always have trouble using stamen-watercolor with data. #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:33pm i think hand drawn maps are considered art or fetish items, @danielledai. technically, woodcut, engraved, litho, all not unique. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:34pm Here’s @mapmeld’s van Gogh map: mapmeld.github.io/van-gogh-map/#… made with @Mapbox GL #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:34pm in that way, digital is very much a logical next step in mass production, @danielledai, after classic printing techniques. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:35pm .@vtcraghead @danielledai Interestingly, lots of other people don’t have problems using Watercolor with data. It’s surprising! #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:36pm and though we admire 19th cent engraved coast & geodetic maps and earlier woodcuts, @danielledai, they were about distribution. #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 02, 12:36pm @mappingmashups @danielledai I’d love to see examples of it meshing. The effort hurdle is in matching the level of stylization. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:36pm @vtcraghead @danielledai Although @Elijah_Meeks claims that Watercolor gives his map data viz “humanities street cred” :) #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:37pm @mappingmashups @danielledai They’re often easier to make/publish than an actual hand-drawn map, if nothing else. #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:38pm @mappingmashups @mapmeld @Mapbox Wow, neat! How about pointalism following Seurat… or ABSTRACT? I wonder how that’d look. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:38pm @erictheise @danielledai Well, I suppose that physical maps (whether hand-drawn or mass-produced) are all becoming fetish items #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:39pm RT @mapmeld: @danielledai also check out an older experiment in this handdrawn map mimic space crayonmap.herokuapp.com #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:40pm @erictheise we’re having that discussion @sfmta_muni – making print maps v better digital ones for production/consumption #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:42pm Another pt: hand-drawn maps are considered art, but not everybody considers themselves an artist @mappingmashups @erictheise #geowebchat

@vtcraghead Sep 02, 12:42pm .@mappingmashups #geowebchat Even w/ compositing there’s so much eye-catch & contrast in the watercolor: pic.twitter.com/8ZUygCEl2t

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:44pm @mappingmashups @erictheise I encouraged tracing @MaptimeSF. Stylized hand-drawn digital maps, tracing, helps overcome barrier? #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:46pm Slight #geowebchat tangent: This @xkcdComic on map projections is awesome: xkcd.com/977/

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:47pm barrier of not self-identifying as artist @danielledai? seems most handmade maps, if not Art, serve particular, practical ends. #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:48pm MT @golandmark I enjoyed hand-drawn tourist maps while I traveled behance.net/gallery/139000… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:49pm @danielledai @xkcdComic Yeah, arguably @xkcd is the world’s most famous hand-drawn cartographer #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:51pm RT @colemanm: @jonahadkins @mappingmashups That’s fantastic – love the interstate highway shields! #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:54pm @danielledai @erictheise @MaptimeSF …and I suppose @xkcd is also the most famous hand-drawn map tracer, too. #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:55pm i wonder how different it is, the “but i can’t draw!” reaction to a) draw my portrait & b) draw me a map of how to get to store. #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 12:56pm @erictheise Yes, fair. I’ve also been thinking about this creative confidence business in making maps creativeconfidence.com #geowebchat

@MapHugger Sep 02, 12:56pm @mappingmashups @danielledai Randall manages to make maps loose/sketchy but also data-driven/trustworthy what-if.xkcd.com/53/ #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Sep 02, 12:57pm .@mappingmashups My fave hand drawn map – @cassieramone “Mew Mexico” flickr.com/photos/cassier… – I also have the shirt :) #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 12:59pm it might be nice to do a part 2, where people show/critique examples of hand drawn maps important to them, @jonahadkins. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 12:59pm @erictheise The practical ends are the diff in your “but I can’t draw” tweet, Eric. Giving directions vs general purpose map. #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 1:00pm aboriginal dreamtime maps are hard to get my western head around, & i also like shaker maps, as examples. #geowebchat

@jonahadkins Sep 02, 1:01pm @erictheise In! #geowebchat cc @mappingmashups

@erictheise Sep 02, 1:01pm exactly, @mappingmashups, that’s why i question whether there’s as much of a barrier. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 1:01pm Thanks @danielledai and everyone else who joined today’s #geowebchat! We’ve reached the end of our hour. Next chat is same time, Sep 16.

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 1:03pm .@jonahadkins @erictheise I like that idea, too. What about September 16 as hand-drawn-maps part 2: show & tell & critique? #geowebchat

@erictheise Sep 02, 1:05pm sounds good to me, i’ll drag out my old @SFCB notes, @mappingmashups @jonahadkins #geowebchat

@danielledai Sep 02, 1:07pm Thanks @mappingmashups for my 1st #geowebchat. Excited to look in depth at today’s links. Def in for part 2 @erictheise @jonahadkins

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 2:19pm RT @magrawala: Looks cool! transitive.js conveyal.com/blog/2014/04/2… More hand-drawn maps vis.berkeley.edu/papers/dmaps/ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 2:20pm RT @jonahadkins: Bookmarking: comiccartography.tumblr.com , flickr.com/photos/cassier… , & Scans From :’The Map As Art’ #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 2:20pm RT @Elijah_Meeks: The visual aesthetic of trad. base maps can be an implicit claim to precision of overlaid data. #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 2:20pm RT @mxfh: @visionscarto says in certain cases the fuzziness of the data favors a hand drawn style mapdesign.icaci.org/2014/08/mapcar… #geowebchat

@mappingmashups Sep 02, 3:10pm RT @visionscarto: Actually my maps are not digitally-generated but really hand drawn Only text and background digitaly-assembled #geowebchat

@visionscarto Sep 02, 3:13pm @mappingmashups #geowebchat There is more of these on visionscarto.net freely accessible in HD so that you can have a close look

@mappingmashups Sep 03, 7:17am RT @vtcraghead: @jonahadkins I stand corrected; watercolor can work with “suggestive data” just fine: pic.twitter.com/MJyFRbU2Ej #geowebchat

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